What do you think about adding a templar chain ability?

Gray_howling_parrot · September 2023

What if ZOS changed binding javelin (stamina morph of piercing javelin) to a pull ability. Currently it reads:

Converts into a Stamina ability and deals Physical Damage. Stuns the enemy for longer instead of knocking back.

What if it read:

Converts into a Stamina ability and deals Physical Damage. Pierces the enemy and pulls them towards the user instead of knocking back.

Gray_howling_parrot · September 2023

Jaustink wrote: »

What if ZOS changed binding javelin (stamina morph of piercing javelin) to a pull ability. Currently it reads:

Converts into a Stamina ability and deals Physical Damage. Stuns the enemy for longer instead of knocking back.

What if it read:

Converts into a Stamina ability and deals Physical Damage. Pierces the enemy and pulls them towards the user instead of knocking back.

Primarily as a tanking ability obviously to add more utility for templar tanks?

Kisakee · September 2023

What do you need a second Silver Leash for?

Gray_howling_parrot · September 2023

Kisakee wrote: »

What do you need a second Silver Leash for?

Well outside of frozen gate for warden I guess, the only class-based leash is found with dragonknights. I suppose necro has the morph of their body shield (dont play necro, so don't know the skill name). Templar tank kit is pretty lacking relative to other higher end tanks and I think that'd be a cool use of a skill not commonly used in pve.

AstroST · September 2023

Jaustink wrote: »

other higher end tanks and I think that'd be a cool use of a skill not commonly used in pve.

skill have plenty of use in PvP and like Kisakee said you can always use silver leash
lot of Wardens tanks use silver leash and not frozen gate

Gray_howling_parrot · September 2023

AstroST wrote: »

Jaustink wrote: »

other higher end tanks and I think that'd be a cool use of a skill not commonly used in pve.

skill have plenty of use in PvP and like Kisakee said you can always use silver leash
lot of Wardens tanks use silver leash and not frozen gate

Im just trying to come up with a templar-based skill that serves as a cool leash or something. Most tanks use leash. I pretty much only tank. Only tanks that really don't for the most part are DKs and those using void bash or something similar set wise. Theres a lot of things that templars dont bring to the table and adding a cool templar leash on some ability (doesn't even have to be javelin) morph that isn't used much could be a cool thing to do in my opinion.

virtus753 · September 2023

Kisakee wrote: »

What do you need a second Silver Leash for?

Silver Leash doesn't proc Minor Protection or other templar class passives, unless I missed a big change somewhere.

I would hope a class skill would also come with more flavor than a generic one, so merely copying Silver Leash's tooltip would be disappointing. Templar is sorely lacking in group utility and identity compared to other classes right now. Being told to be satisfied with generic skills exemplifies the problem rather than helping solve it.

ArchangelIsraphel · September 2023

As someone who has a Templar main (PVP and PVE) who frequently switches roles using the armory, I'm totally in support of this, especially if it procs minor Protection or some other useful class passive, or has some other added benefits that silver leash doesn't provide. I really enjoy Templar gameplay and it would be great if our group utility was buffed with class specific skills. A templar leash is one of those things that has been on my wishlist for quite some time.

ssewallb14_ESO · September 2023

I'd rather have an AoE root tbh.

Billium813 · September 2023

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

I'd rather have an AoE root tbh.

This. 100x this.

Silver Leash is fine if a class needs access to a single target pull. Its OK for classes to have access weaknesses, but that means there needs to be generic access to effects for those classes. Silver Leash is a fine generic ability for classes that don't have a native pull, like Templar. The bigger issue is when there is no generic access to an ability for classes that are missing a functionality.

Since the change to remove immobilize from Ice Staff, Templar has no access to AOE CC anymore and as a Tank, it's really annoying. If you want a Pull effect, Void Bash is perfect for Templar. It combos well with Radiant Ward, as well as DPS AOE like Arcanist Beam and Templar Jabs.

virtus753 wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

What do you need a second Silver Leash for?

Silver Leash doesn't proc Minor Protection or other templar class passives, unless I missed a big change somewhere.

Radiant Ward procs Spear Wall passive... Could Radiant Ward be buffed? Sure, it's not great, but it is better then people give it credit for and is fine in what it does.

Personally, I would like to see the Templar Spear Wall passive be expanded to a group buff of Minor Protection for allies within 5m when activating an Aedric Spear ability. It would give Templar a bit of group utility and would be thematic of a protecting wall of spears.

jommerryrth · September 2023

I think the benefit of running a templar tank is their ability to self heal is pretty awesome and they arent plagued by blindiing visuals like arcanist or warden. DK self heals depends on a target to throw rocks at.

virtus753 · September 2023

Billium813 wrote: »

Radiant Ward procs Spear Wall passive... Could Radiant Ward be buffed? Sure, it's not great, but it is better then people give it credit for and is fine in what it does.

Spamming Radiant Ward every 6 seconds for Minor Protection is not worth it, in my experience. The skill comes with zero group utility, and shield spamming is frequently not worth it compared to other forms of mitigation that allow for us to spend more of our active casts on providing utility. Should Ward be changed to provide something useful for more than ourselves, as you suggest, I would be happy to reconsider that going forward.

virtus753 · September 2023

Thy_Game_Is_Over wrote: »

DK self heals depends on a target to throw rocks at.

DK has Cinder Storm for a group HoT + cc and Dragon Blood for a strong burst, neither of which requires an enemy target. In fact, Cinder Storm can even be free if you stack cost reduction glyphs.

Tyrant_Tim · September 2023

There are so many more impactful things that Templar support needs, before another chain, like any unique Major or Minor buffs to stand out… Arcanist has Minor Courage now, and we have yet to see an ability feature the Major. Maybe that could be Templar.

If another chain is what you really want, one way to reach your goal, without destroying a used ability, could be to change the AoE interrupt on Exploding Charge to an AoE pull or charm, on your target after landing, similar to Rushing Agony, and make it a stamina cost ability, this would synergize with Jabs on damage dealers, or work as a great skill for a tank, helping to group everything up before casting the most niche ability in the game, Sun Shield.

Billium813 · September 2023

virtus753 wrote: »

Billium813 wrote: »

Radiant Ward procs Spear Wall passive... Could Radiant Ward be buffed? Sure, it's not great, but it is better then people give it credit for and is fine in what it does.

Spamming Radiant Ward every 6 seconds for Minor Protection is not worth it, in my experience. The skill comes with zero group utility, and shield spamming is frequently not worth it compared to other forms of mitigation that allow for us to spend more of our active casts on providing utility. Should Ward be changed to provide something useful for more than ourselves, as you suggest, I would be happy to reconsider that going forward.

Radiant Ward's duration is 6 seconds.... The passive Spear Wall duration is 6 seconds.... Coincidence?! jk

Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean by needing to spam for the passive. Why do you need 100% uptime on Spear Wall? Would you spam Binding Javelin, or Silver Leash (if that worked, which it doesn't), just to proc Spear Wall? Sounds like a skill issue IMO.

Radiant Ward is best when there are lots of mobs around. If they are swarming DPS, having Spear Wall proc as a group utility just makes too much sense for the scenario! I really think ZOS needs to change Spear Wall to give group utility in an AOE.

For Radiant Ward, I would like to see all the hit enemies get Minor Mangle! That, plus the Spear Wall passive change, would basically give Templar a Frost Pulsar, which isn't too bad!