Mends_from_Shadows wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can argue that this is a legitimate tactic when you have to bypass everything the developers of the game put in place to protect the scrolls.

It should not be as easy as getting some idiot on Faction A to pull some other idiot on Faction B to the keep so that Faction B guy can pick it up and die in order to let Faction A guy pick up the scroll and run it to whichever Faction they want to give the scroll to.

It's not fair to the faction defending the scroll, and it makes the faction who is capping scrolls this way look like they can't capture a scroll legitimately.

I don't know if this is bannable or not, but I am shaming the hell out of every person who does it (hello Warz, Seozz) in our zone chat. I, and many others on Ebonheart Pact would like to win and do things the right way; not by having victories handed to us.

Guess I'm more philosophical about it.

Its asymmetric warfare. When one side has a population/military advantage as AD obviously does for several different reasons, its a natural evolution for the smaller side to adopt guerrilla warfare. Sure its more desperate tactics but asymmetric warfare for the weaker side is always desperate.

TBH, I don't think you're shaming anyone. Everyone knows that other than an 8-12 hour window when AD mostly sleeps, we don't really have the ability to "capture a scroll legitimately". These scroll adventures were happening during the morning-early afternoon timeframe when EP typically is gate camped anyway.

If this is going beyond the bounds of what a spy/traitor was intended to do, I'm sure they will fix the chance for a spy to chain pull an opposing faction member into the keep since they are already looking at tweaking the Keeps.

Personally I could care less about anyone "farming AP". Like AP matters anyway except for someone to brag about their position on a scoreboard. AP is no indication of skill or ability at PVP whatsoever and people farm AP all the time in different ways. To me, sitting with a scroll in a building and using 10x Flaming Oil is really no different morally than sitting in a farm tower and using 10x Flaming Oil to farm AP. Or like some people do and constant log with multiple people on an account and ride Zergs to farm AP. At least getting a scroll actually helps our faction more than sitting AFK in a keep being seiged to farm AP.

There are a lot of rumours about the top of the AD and EP leaderboards (among others) not being one person but multiple people playing one account (or at least having family/friend help in keeping a character close to constantly logged in to farm AP). Obviously that gives a huge "AP Advantage" over anyone playing an account as a single person.

Some games view multiple players on one account as a big ToS violation while others (like browser game Travian) encourage it. As long as there are multiple players playing one account (which IMO far more goes against the "spirit of the game" than someone playing a traitor) to farm AP to be at top of scoreboard then I hardly see anything wrong with anyone farming AP any other way.

@Godspeed Yeah its not that big of a community, why most mmos if not all don't have a server for that area.

Iceman_mat wrote: »

Some people will just not be satisfied....they want everyone in the whole WORLD to play North American Time periods only, just ignore because you will never cure a poor sport mentality...

Not sure where you got the idea anyone was asking for that... I've read the entire thread and the only time anyone came close to that was saying it sarcastically.
The whole point of this thread was to point out there's a population imbalance on the AD side on this server, which has been proven repeatedly. Screenshots clearly show that during NA off-hours AD is at High or Full on Auriel's while every faction on every other server is at Low. No one has suggested Oceanic players shouldn't be allowed to play on NA off hours. I agree, that would be absurd... except no one has said that on this thread, unless I missed a comment.
The only solution to the problem is the same for both sides, AD and EP/DC: to leave a server where you're winning and go to a losing one. For the AD, it's to leave AB and go on another, and for the EP/DC it's to leave another and come on AB. It's ridiculous that either side of this can insult the other for not doing the very thing they're unwilling to do themselves: switch servers. It's like 2 people standing on a cliff calling each other a coward for not jumping.

There needs to be some kind of Alliance change feature, since playing the underdog alliance will give more AP anyway.

@AryaWythers My ignore list grew tonight, think most of the current late DC are on it.

Or at-least the trolls.

@AryaWythers Yup I've been guesting on bloodthorn and wbablejack, debating which one to switch to if there is another night like this. It was fine over the weekend, then tonight just a bunch of trash talkers and people who harass others.

Trolls and a-holes in all side's zone chats. Changing campaigns wont get you away from it.

shirorxb14_ESO wrote: »

Sylvanna wrote: »

If and when the situation improves and there are actually people to fight, we'll be back.

Stay gone. No one actually wants you guys on the campaign.

Thanks for the compliment.

Avidus wrote: »

I have not read too much of this thread, so if I sound a little bit.. wrong.. Well its because I am lazy.

This thread isn't about Vamp OP-ness or Zergfests, it's more about population imbalance during North American off-hours when the AD are at Full and EP/DC are at Low.

Despite the Ebonheart Pact Zone Chat yesterday that seemed to reflect the masses opinion that the "Nerf Vampire" patch "balanced" the factions on EP, anyone can look at the map this morning and see AD with all keeps and scrolls and gate camping DC and EP (happening right now) that none of the problems with AB faction dominance had anything to do with the Sorc/DK V10 Vamps that AD had as many non-VR EP players constantly claimed in Zone chat.

shirorxb14_ESO wrote: »

Sylvanna wrote: »

If and when the situation improves and there are actually people to fight, we'll be back.

Stay gone. No one actually wants you guys on the campaign.

Speak for yourself.

I would much prefer organized, skilled competition for opponents in PvP.

In fact I respect good competitors and PvPers more than 90% of EP non-VRs who constantly whined and complained about Vamps in zone chat and never learned how to use Negate bubble.

Guess what???

Look at Cyrodiil this morning. AD dominance in AB had nothing to do with v10 Vamps.

@ThreeEyedCrow Well it has always been more of a population issue, then the vampire thing, on AB the population bar for AD rarely drops below three bars.

AD likes being the Persian Empire.

Like i stated before, they opened to many servers, people want easy mode so they go to the server with least resistance.

though it will be nice next patch when we get a huge rp bonus for killing all the terrible AD players on here.

On the plus side if you need a place to craft without a lot of people around crafting stations, AB is great for it recommend guesting this campaign. :P

Mends_from_Shadows wrote: »

@ThreeEyedCrow‌

Your faction is much weaker now that you guys don't have VAMP/DKs exploiting their batswarm. You guys were literally being referred to as the bat zerg, because that was the only way you guys could beat us even when we had the numbers. Barely any guys on EP did that strategy like you guys did (i don't know why, it's like we have no VR10 DKs, shrug).

Now it's back to what i was before those exploits. You guys control everything in the morning just like always because you guys are locked or nearly locked population 24 hrs a day. EP has 2-1 bars max after 3am.

Maybe you weren't on the other day when it EP was at locked population (just like ad), and we had you guys pushed past faregyl. Majority of the time when the numbers are even we are just going to crush you guys.

That is just the reality of Auriel's Bow. I think most EP with a brain have come to terms with being out numbered all the time. What I personally wonder is, where the hell have the DC gone to?

My faction is Ebonheart Pact