Jee-Lar daily quest achievment after update 39 (PC)/ Feedback

Lord_Graas · August 2023

I finally completed 150 Cyrodilic Collections daily quests a month ago (50 achievement points) and now you've reduced the number of quests by a factor of five (30 quests) and now it only gives 15 AP? This is disrespectful to those players who have come a long way to get this achievement earlier. I think such players deserve a compensation.

Casul · August 2023

pain

spartaxoxo · August 2023

No. I got it earlier and I support this change. When the quest first launched, you could do all of them in one day. So you only needed 30 days of Jee Lar dailies on one character in order to receive the rewards. The Jee Lar quests are mostly simple and short, so timewise it wasn't crazy different to doing all of the town dailies for 30 days.

Then they changed it so that you couldn't do them all anymore, and the availability of their rewards and the reasonability of getting this achievement plummeted. People protested and wanted them to either revert the change or lower the number to 30, so it would actually be standardized again. Because that change actually broke the standardization.

Then AWA came and it made the quests a bit more reasonable to do again. Now they've finished the standardization and made this quest chain the same as other town dailies. Long overdue.

And yes, I already have the achievement.

laniakea_0 · August 2023

did they also adjust the drop rate of Swamp Jelly fragments? if you aren't supposed to do 150, they better be much easier to get now.

Lord_Graas · August 2023

I'm playing solo so it took five months in my case.
Also they haven't finished standardization yet. How about 100 daily quests from the Undaunted (each one)?

McMasterx · August 2023

Lord_Graas wrote: »

I'm playing solo so it took five months in my case.
Also they haven't finished standardization yet. How about 100 daily quests from the Undaunted (each one)?

With Account Wide Achievements, the old Jee Lar 150 could be completed in 15 days with 10 toons. Of course that requires doing the prologue quests on ten toons, but feasibly any "do x things" is far easier now with AWA, I'm honestly shocked quest achievements didnt skyrocket. (all "30 Delve/WB" quests can be done in 2 days for people with eso+)

shadyjane62 · August 2023

Happened to me too, I was 5 short of the amt needed.

So all in all today I was a total loser. 150 kill instead of 40. Lightning staff NERF to aoe. pvp chat, I cannot tell you how bad that was.

GG.

Munkfist · August 2023

Having done both the Cyrodiilic Collections as well as the IC Sewer Scamps awhile back, I feel no need for any form of compensation. It's a game, I enjoyed the bit of grind, and now it's a nice option for those that didn't want to do the grind. Doesn't really affect me either way.

laniakea_0 · August 2023

Lord_Graas wrote: »

I'm playing solo so it took five months in my case.
Also they haven't finished standardization yet. How about 100 daily quests from the Undaunted (each one)?

100 for undaunted is fine, though. Pledges is something you don't do for the achievements but for Undaunted Keys and you need basically an indefinite amount of them anyway.

Parrot1986 · August 2023

Lord_Graas wrote: »

I finally completed 150 Cyrodilic Collections daily quests a month ago (50 achievement points) and now you've reduced the number of quests by a factor of five (30 quests) and now it only gives 15 AP? This is disrespectful to those players who have come a long way to get this achievement earlier. I think such players deserve a compensation.

Compensation... really? I wasted hours farming 200 scamps in IC (really over 300 since RNG in play) and now it's 20 needed.

This stuff happens, it's easier now and thats it. Hardly something to demand compensation for or get annoyed at tbh.

Lord_Graas · August 2023

I just want to say that achievements are not something that really Zenimax needs to be changed in the game. There are so many old bugs, classes & builds imbalance, really bad PvP and poor server stability. And as a result, Zenimax nerfs this achievement instead of doing really important things.

Tra_Lalan · August 2023

I don't mind it beeing nerfed. Did those 150 quest, it was a challange. Got it, now let others have it too.
TBH this achievement felt kinda off from the start. All other dailies achivements require 30 quests.

Reverb · August 2023

I didn’t even notice this changed, I was at 122 of 150!

Instead of feeling the progress I made was devalued, I’m just happy to not do any more. Now to unload my swamp jelly fragments.

Necrotech_Master · August 2023

i had gotten this done back in the day when you could do all of the quests each day without shares, and pre-AWA that was 25 days on 1 toon, so slightly faster than the other standard 30

i also had killed over 100 of each type of scamp before the change too

my thought on that is: meh, i already had the achievements anyway, but it will give others something more to work toward

i dont see why people feel they are "entitled" to compensation for a quality of life change or that the achievement was "devalued"

now you can have a story to tell, that you completed it back before the change when it was more of an accomplishment

i still look at my achievements and reminisce getting all of the vet dungeon hard modes back only a few months after the game launch (these would be all of the 2 dungeons now, excluding city of ash 2 since that dungeon didnt even exist 2-3 months after game launch)

LunaFlora · August 2023

it's pretty epic that other players don't have to do more than a hundred quests for the achievement now!

AzuraFan · August 2023

I got the achievement by doing the 150 using one character (took a while) and I don't care that they've changed it to 30. I just wonder what took them so long.

Blood_again · August 2023

Lord_Graas wrote: »

I finally completed 150 Cyrodilic Collections daily quests a month ago (50 achievement points) and now you've reduced the number of quests by a factor of five (30 quests) and now it only gives 15 AP? This is disrespectful to those players who have come a long way to get this achievement earlier. I think such players deserve a compensation.

I know that feeling. Jee-Lar stopped giving 6 quests a day when I was on 30. After that I spent fair 120 days to finish it. As many as for full speed+inventory for horse.
Anyway when I saw current changes in PTS patchnotes a few weeks ago, I was glad for people who don't have to spend so many days for it. Nobody have to struggle with grind too much even if we did.

Well, what compensation are we talking about if it could be possible? Money, exp of anything out of Jee-Lar quests theme are just offtopic things - really I can't imagine why I'm eligible for getting some money just because I did the achievement earlier. So do you want to get 10 more Jelly parts? Me neither

Also just a reminder that we didn't lose anything with that achievement update. We don't need to do anything after it. We have it already and that's all.
I remember arena updates, when all the weapons from vet arenas turned to normal ones. ZoS just made a sign to all the veteran players that day: "good puppies, now just farm it all again". Did anybody get any compensation? No, nobody.
So I doubt there is any chance here.

LadyLethalla · August 2023

I also did the 150 but I'm happy others won't have to go through that pain. Compensation... ain't gonna happen.

jad11mumbler · August 2023

You should have read the PTS patch notes earlier.

jad11mumbler · August 2023

There's a long list of "Players who done something earlier but ZoS changed it".

Those of us who grinded Vet Ranks before ZoS removed them.
CP 2.0 and newbies getting a much easier time levelling up compared to CP 1.0, let alone vet ranks.
Account wide achievements for those who Earned achievements on Alts.
Maelstrom dropping the "vet" weapons on normal instead now.
It goes on and on, that's just a part of constantly updating games.

Not once has ZoS compensated players for it.

laniakea_0 · August 2023

jad11mumbler wrote: »

There's a long list of "Players who done something earlier but ZoS changed it".

Those of us who grinded Vet Ranks before ZoS removed them.
CP 2.0 and newbies getting a much easier time levelling up compared to CP 1.0, let alone vet ranks.
Account wide achievements for those who Earned achievements on Alts.
Maelstrom dropping the "vet" weapons on normal instead now.
It goes on and on, that's just a part of constantly updating games.

Not once has ZoS compensated players for it.

but there's still the perfected ones in Maelstrom that only drop from vet difficulty

Vildebill · August 2023

Just because it sucked for you doesn't mean it should suck for everyone else. I've done that achievement, and I've also farmed 100 + 100 scamps in Imperial sewers, which is now just 10 + 10. Sucked for me, but now it won't suck for someone else. Be happy for that instead of being jaundiced.

shadyjane62 · August 2023

It's like running a marathon only to have them change the finish line to the 25th mile without telling anybody.

BloodyStigmata · August 2023

There it is. There's the post complaining about this objectively good change to an achievement everyone hated. Right on time too--your pitchforks and torches just arrived.

Wolf_Eye · August 2023

Blood_again wrote: »

Lord_Graas wrote: »

I finally completed 150 Cyrodilic Collections daily quests a month ago (50 achievement points) and now you've reduced the number of quests by a factor of five (30 quests) and now it only gives 15 AP? This is disrespectful to those players who have come a long way to get this achievement earlier. I think such players deserve a compensation.

Well, what compensation are we talking about if it could be possible? Money, exp of anything out of Jee-Lar quests theme are just offtopic things - really I can't imagine why I'm eligible for getting some money just because I did the achievement earlier. So do you want to get 10 more Jelly parts? Me neither

I'm not OP, so they are free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the original statement OP was making was to have compensation for the missing Achievement Points you get from completing an achievement?

They are saying in their post that it used to be 50 achievement points and is now 15 achievement points. I think that might be what they are upset about. (That's my interpretation of their post).

I don't really see any reason why ZOS can't change it back to 50 achievement points. It's not like the points themselves are a type of currency; they are mostly just a symbol of how much you did in the game. It wouldn't affect anything to increase it back.

jad11mumbler · August 2023

laniakea_0 wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

There's a long list of "Players who done something earlier but ZoS changed it".

Those of us who grinded Vet Ranks before ZoS removed them.
CP 2.0 and newbies getting a much easier time levelling up compared to CP 1.0, let alone vet ranks.
Account wide achievements for those who Earned achievements on Alts.
Maelstrom dropping the "vet" weapons on normal instead now.
It goes on and on, that's just a part of constantly updating games.

Not once has ZoS compensated players for it.

but there's still the perfected ones in Maelstrom that only drop from vet difficulty

Yeah, so now you need to run vMA again to recollect the perfected ones, while running vet prior to that update would have given you the non-perfected versions.

So not only do you lose your previous 'progression', you now have to do it all over again for some slightly better versions.

laniakea_0 · August 2023

jad11mumbler wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

There's a long list of "Players who done something earlier but ZoS changed it".

Those of us who grinded Vet Ranks before ZoS removed them.
CP 2.0 and newbies getting a much easier time levelling up compared to CP 1.0, let alone vet ranks.
Account wide achievements for those who Earned achievements on Alts.
Maelstrom dropping the "vet" weapons on normal instead now.
It goes on and on, that's just a part of constantly updating games.

Not once has ZoS compensated players for it.

but there's still the perfected ones in Maelstrom that only drop from vet difficulty

Yeah, so now you need to run vMA again to recollect the perfected ones, while running vet prior to that update would have given you the non-perfected versions.

So not only do you lose your previous 'progression', you now have to do it all over again for some slightly better versions.

I think it still does that? didn't they make a change to trials and such a while ago where obtaining a perfected piece of equipment now also unlocks the regular one? I think it was alongside the change that you can already starting wearing perfected pieces while you still have non-perfected pieces equipped but without disrupting the set bonuses in the process.
not sure tho

Blood_again · August 2023

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

They are saying in their post that it used to be 50 achievement points and is now 15 achievement points. I think that might be what they are upset about. (That's my interpretation of their post).

I don't really see any reason why ZOS can't change it back to 50 achievement points. It's not like the points themselves are a type of currency; they are mostly just a symbol of how much you did in the game. It wouldn't affect anything to increase it back.

It is a good point. Thank you. I missed it.
I support the idea to save the value of the achievement. Not that I care about this number much, but I know people who do. Saving its numeric value will be fair for all the people who achieved it including me.

Lord_Graas · August 2023

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

I'm not OP, so they are free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the original statement OP was making was to have compensation for the missing Achievement Points you get from completing an achievement?

They are saying in their post that it used to be 50 achievement points and is now 15 achievement points. I think that might be what they are upset about. (That's my interpretation of their post).

I don't really see any reason why ZOS can't change it back to 50 achievement points. It's not like the points themselves are a type of currency; they are mostly just a symbol of how much you did in the game. It wouldn't affect anything to increase it back.

Finally someone paid attention to the numbers. Thank you.

kargen27 · August 2023

laniakea_0 wrote: »

did they also adjust the drop rate of Swamp Jelly fragments? if you aren't supposed to do 150, they better be much easier to get now.

Why should they be easier to get? You don't have to stop running the dailies after you get the achievement. If you want more Swamp Jelly fragments keep doing the dailies.

Alpheu5 · August 2023

laniakea_0 wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

There's a long list of "Players who done something earlier but ZoS changed it".

Those of us who grinded Vet Ranks before ZoS removed them.
CP 2.0 and newbies getting a much easier time levelling up compared to CP 1.0, let alone vet ranks.
Account wide achievements for those who Earned achievements on Alts.
Maelstrom dropping the "vet" weapons on normal instead now.
It goes on and on, that's just a part of constantly updating games.

Not once has ZoS compensated players for it.

but there's still the perfected ones in Maelstrom that only drop from vet difficulty

Yeah, so now you need to run vMA again to recollect the perfected ones, while running vet prior to that update would have given you the non-perfected versions.

So not only do you lose your previous 'progression', you now have to do it all over again for some slightly better versions.

I think it still does that? didn't they make a change to trials and such a while ago where obtaining a perfected piece of equipment now also unlocks the regular one? I think it was alongside the change that you can already starting wearing perfected pieces while you still have non-perfected pieces equipped but without disrupting the set bonuses in the process.
not sure tho

What currently drops from nMA used to be the Maelstrom weapons. When they made the change to add perfected and non-perfected versions, rather than change all existing Maelstrom weapons into perfected versions (the people who had them already had to run vMA for them), they forced everyone to run the harder content all over again if they didn't want to be stuck with the version that drops from the easier content.

People ran vMA dozens or sometimes hundreds of times trying to get specific weapons (stickerbook and curated drops didn't exist) and were rightfully pissed at the implementation.