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Veteran Leveling: the dumbest idea ever
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Osi✭✭✭I am thoroughly enjoying the storyline of the VR factions. I actually think it is BETTER than the normal leveling system, because the difficulty scaling from start to finish of a faction is very low; you could theoretically explore all faction-specific zones and still have a good chance at killing the mobs in the final zone as you do the first.
While 1-50 is all about your level, VR is all about strategy and how you approach a fight. I'm currently a NB and while I have difficulty with packs 3+, I feel that is mostly because I am trying to level up odd abilities and trying out strange combinations. I don't even have the ol' Cloak + Concealed weapons on my hotbar. Overall it isn't -that- bad, at least not yet... I can always break out my bow and always kill groups of 3, possibly 4 if those existed.
Edited by Osi on May 6, 2014 11:46PM0 -
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✭✭Malediktus wrote: »It doesnt even take a year unless you play casual. there are only like 120h of content per faction. 360h for VR10 without grinding doesnt sound shabby to me.
I miss the times where it took several months to max lvl even if you played hardcore. Now people complain if they dont have max combat lvl, max crafting level and legendary gear after a month. its really sad
Back in those days it wasnt a cakewalk then a slam in the wall either. It was a slow painful grind the whole way up.
Thats the difference.Sandmanninja wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »VR - Forcing you to do every quest, every dolmen and every world boss to progress to the next rank and to top it off, you have to clear TWO factions worth of quests. But there is the second choice, you can go for the old korean mmo experience by grinding 1000000000000000 mobs.
Elder Scrolls Grind,
not a true TES game at all.
I'm VR 9 now, and I'm so god damn sick of doing quesssssssssssstsssssssssss.
Hmmmm why rush? I mean, really. This is the attitude of people I see in many MMOs that have an impatient attitude. All they see is the destination - not the journey. So you "HAVE" to do other faction quests?
It's an MMO. It's a bit more 'realistic' in some things (fall damage immediately comes to mind).
In WoW, I could fall from a pretty high place and still survive.
In ESO, - BANG! Dead.
Veteran Content is designed to challenge you and your character build.
When leveling ANY toon, the style of play and the stat priorities change.
In other MMOs, healing is dead easy while leveling. Cast the occassional heal on the tank, top up everyone else, and you're golden.
But when you hit Level Cap - 5 levels, it all changes.
Mana requirements don't scale at the same rate. Damage spikes increase.
It's DIFFERENT.
End content builds are almost always different.
And it's an MMO. You aren't meant to be able to Solo EVERYTHING.
Sure, small mobs of 2-3 are okay. But it's designed to be run with a group - at least 2 people.
Join a guild. Run with friends. Wait for random players to show up and run with them.
I dont care about the supposed difficulty.
Im more irritated with the hard stop on visible progression. People with very little time to play are going to go days or weeks seeing 0 noticeable character progression. RPGs are all about character progression.3 -
Korusus✭✭When they first talked about Veteran zones I envisioned them as an optional alternate advancement kind of scenario...I never thought they would be implemented as a requirement to be considered "end-game".
Just as a reminder to everyone: Craglorn is for veteran-rank 11-12. In other words, in order to hit veteran rank 12, the new max level, you will have to do Craglorn which is a group-only zone.
Edited by Korusus on May 7, 2014 1:11AM0 -
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✭✭When they first talked about Veteran zones I envisioned them as an optional alternate advancement kind of scenario...I never thought they would be implemented as a requirement to be considered "end-game".
Just as a reminder to everyone: Craglorn is for veteran-rank 11-12. In other words, in order to hit veteran rank 12, the new max level, you will have to do Craglorn which is a group-only zone.
Which is kinda a kick in the junk.4 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭The end game decisions of this game are mind blowing. Nothing kills an MMO faster than lack of/bad endgame content. What was their solution? No endgame content! Just play through everyone's zones! Nevermind that this literally murders an replay value the game might have gained from having 3 totally separate factions.
Let's not even mention making the newest zone group only in a game that is 95% soloable up until that point. (Other than dungeons and PvP)
It feels tacked on to me. Coldharbour felt like an endgame zone. My guess? Someone in testing made the suggestion for veteran levels and the dev team ran with it.3 -
Shillen✭✭✭When they first talked about Veteran zones I envisioned them as an optional alternate advancement kind of scenario...I never thought they would be implemented as a requirement to be considered "end-game".
Just as a reminder to everyone: Craglorn is for veteran-rank 11-12. In other words, in order to hit veteran rank 12, the new max level, you will have to do Craglorn which is a group-only zone.
Where do you get this junk from? VP is VP. You can get it from killing mobs and from PvP. How is craglorn the only way to hit VR12?
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭When they first talked about Veteran zones I envisioned them as an optional alternate advancement kind of scenario...I never thought they would be implemented as a requirement to be considered "end-game".
Just as a reminder to everyone: Craglorn is for veteran-rank 11-12. In other words, in order to hit veteran rank 12, the new max level, you will have to do Craglorn which is a group-only zone.
Where do you get this junk from? VP is VP. You can get it from killing mobs and from PvP. How is craglorn the only way to hit VR12?
Questing is the only way to hit VR10 in a timely manner. It's a fairly safe assumption that questing in Craiglorn will be the only good way to level VR10-12 even with the doubled player kill VP in PvP. (Doubling almost nothing is still just meh)
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Shillen✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »When they first talked about Veteran zones I envisioned them as an optional alternate advancement kind of scenario...I never thought they would be implemented as a requirement to be considered "end-game".
Just as a reminder to everyone: Craglorn is for veteran-rank 11-12. In other words, in order to hit veteran rank 12, the new max level, you will have to do Craglorn which is a group-only zone.
Where do you get this junk from? VP is VP. You can get it from killing mobs and from PvP. How is craglorn the only way to hit VR12?
Questing is the only way to hit VR10 in a timely manner. It's a fairly safe assumption that questing in Craiglorn will be the only good way to level VR10-12 even with the doubled player kill VP in PvP. (Doubling almost nothing is still just meh)
Just flat out untrue. Most people that are VR10 leveled most of their VR by doing dungeons. Also, they're increasing the vp gains from killing monsters and pvp in the upcoming patch. But, regardless, the statement I quoted was just patently false.
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭I could be wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. That being said I, and most of the people I know who've gotten to VR10, did it through questing.0
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I think its the illusion of 'oh noes another 10 regions to finish' is a very strong demotivator. I completed stonefalls in 6 days. 6 fricking days. I used to complete 1 zone every 2 days of playing (4 hrs each) or so on normal levels, and I thought that was the right sort of pacing. And boy o boy that ever so slowly moving bar really does kill the anticipation. And I am only VR2 going to Deshaan now. I heard it got a lot worse at higher VR levels.
I am sorry ZoS but this is stupid and lazy design. I used to be full of praise for what you guys do with the game but this is idiotic. Do seomthing about it and be quick about it, I suspect as more people get to VR levels you will see more and more of these kind of threads2 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭VR levels feel like stopgap while they make actual endgame content besides PvP.0
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Allchix✭VR is gonna kill the game. Not because it takes a lot of time to get to rank 10 or because of the difficulty, but because of the psychological factor that you don't get anything for advancing from rank 1-10. They want us to play the content, alright, but then they should have made the max lvl 150 with a new skillpoint/ attribute point every 2 lvl instead of every level. They also should have kept the exploration XP, treasure chest xp and not dump down everything once you reach 50.
They also seem quite stubborn about their decision, so we will see how that will play out.2 -
Reymas✭✭✭✭It never ceases to amaze me when people complain that there's too much content and some of it is too challenging.
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It never ceases to amaze me when people complain that there's too much content and some of it is too challenging.
Some are this, but there also some that is legitimate.
- For a game that puts immersion above all else, I DONT CARE ABOUT THE OTHER FACTIONS. I WOULD MURDER KING EMERIC IF I CAN. 1-50 set you up very nicely by psyching yourself that your faction is the true strong one. Why would I care about other factions
- Where is faction pride? Where is server pride? I passionately like the Alliance in WoW and my server in GW2 (TC) is the best server community in any gaming I have ever seen and I really stick my neck out to defend that damn farm or supply yaks.
- Nothing to look forward to when levelling. Where is the dangling carrot in front of me? I got no statistic bonus, no extra SP to spend, and gear from VR1 to VR2 only differs by...gosh....i dunno.....4 DAMAGE MAYBE?
- Play the way you want? Please. From 1-50, yes maybe. VR and above? I have no choice but to respec to several well known builds that I dont really like, but I have to do out of neccessity to get to VR10 asap and forget all this crap. I dont even bother listening to quests again now.
It took WoW 4 years and 3 expansions to kill my joy. Swtor did it in 4 months ish. And this one is on course to beat swtor's records.
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Without arguing for or against the VR content fact is that lvl 50 is not max lvl VR10 (or lvl 150) is and if you want to do max lvl dungeons or raids you have to get there.
It doesn't really matter if you like that many lvls or not it was the choice the devs made and it's there.
You don't see any other mmo either where you get a char to 1/3 of max lvl and expect it to be ready for raiding endgame. Anywho if you want an mmo with less lvls and shorter lvling exp then...yeah maybe ESO isn't the game for you.
Personally I found VR content to be quite easy and at a fair pace. Didn't take too long to reach max lvl and now have my 3rd char in VR content...anyways that's just me so who cares about that.0 -
Catches_the_Sun✭✭✭✭✭blackcules wrote: »Now, I'm not going to go into detail about how freken frustrating VR leveling is. However, I will post a link to a thread which has the perspective of a ton of players fed up with this BS that is VR.
http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/24r2ld/veteran_levels_need_to_be_redesigned/
To sum it up: VR needs to be revamped. I am only halfway into VR 1 and already given up on leveling. It's too time consuming and boring. It took a month to hit 50; I'm not interested (as well as a vast majority of players) in leveling throughout my time in this game. I'd like to PVP and do raids as what is usually intended once you hit max level, but I can't do that because the grind is TOO much.
I don't get this mentality at all. How is it boring? It's the same method you used to get there in the first place, with more of a challenge. If you want to PvP, then do it. You don't have to be VR10 to PvP. It's only a grind if you make it one.
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✭✭Again, for those not paying attention:
The problem with VR leveling is NOT:
- speed
- difficulty
Instead, it IS:
- lack of visible progression
I dont look like Im progressing. It feels stagnant. Get a set of jewelry and craft a 3p set or two and youre set, drops arent necessary(think Ive deconned EVERYTHING).
I like questing but there needs to be a goal in mind for the short term. I should be killing faster with better weapons. I should be taking less dsmage with new armor. Nope. None of the above. Any DR gained from new armor, the mobs do more damage. More damage from a new weapon? Mobs still take just as long to kill.
Feels stagnant as that old tire in the backyard breeding skeeters.1 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭You do get stat increases from vet levels.
Kinda funny seeing complaints that it takes too long and is boring, and complaints that it rewards nothing... Then don't make it your focus. Do what you enjoy in the game and get the vet xp slowly as it comes.
If you don't enjoy anything in the game, well then this probably isnt the game for you sadly.Edited by Nooblet on May 7, 2014 4:49AM1 -
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I don't know if you realize just how stupid that comment really is! Mudcrab's don't "Wield" weapons, VR or Not!remove VR and put in Realm Ranks!
Nah! VR levels are probably closer to Master Levels from TOA, minus the dastardly artifacts that needed leveling as well....
Edited by SteveCampsOut on May 7, 2014 5:06AM@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ⍟
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blackcules✭✭Looks like I got all the nerds riled up.Kinda funny seeing complaints that it takes too long and is boring, and complaints that it rewards nothing... Then don't make it your focus. Do what you enjoy in the game and get the vet xp slowly as it comes.
Because some people don't like to spending months on end in a video game leveling up in an attempt to reach REAL content (hard concept to grasp huh?). I enjoy PVP and to be successful in PVP you need VR level or you just get 2-3 shotted.
P.S.S Leveling 10 nonsense levels is hardly content (For those PVE/RP fgts) . Its all recycled material. And if you honestly find enjoyment out of grinding those levels; I seriously feel bad for you.Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on May 7, 2014 5:29AM0 -
blackcules✭✭I enjoy vet content, I am vet 9 and it was a blast.
For most people that are playing the ELDER SCROLLS tittle, it is not the destination that matters, but the journey there.
Refer to my video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9WOdnR-Nfs
Good day sir.1 -
Shta✭There are some things in the game i don't like but the leveling is good, i m bored of the many games you reach end content in 36 hours.
I like the way we have to go to the content to be able to do all of it on one faction without forcing us to do it, cause i know people who came here only for PVP and leveled only threw that way. They play well and impact the battlefield without having all the legendary stuff and skill points.0 -
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✭I was really looking forward to rolling an alt and seeing the game from the point of view of the other factions. All that has been ruined now as Im being forced to play through the other stories with my existing character.
I agree.
Would be nice if new content like Craglorn was designed for vr1 level so that it could be an alternative to playing through (and spoiling) the other alliances.
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Reymas✭✭✭✭blackcules wrote: »Looks like I got all the nerds riled up.Kinda funny seeing complaints that it takes too long and is boring, and complaints that it rewards nothing... Then don't make it your focus. Do what you enjoy in the game and get the vet xp slowly as it comes.
Because some people don't like to spending months on end in a video game leveling up in an attempt to reach REAL content (hard concept to grasp huh?). I enjoy PVP and to be successful in PVP you need VR level or you just get 2-3 shotted.
P.S. eat a ***.
P.S.S Leveling 10 nonsense levels is hardly content (For those PVE/RP fgts) . Its all recycled material. And if you honestly find enjoyment out of grinding those levels; I seriously feel bad for you.
You might need to look for an easier game. Clearly ESO is too tough for you. I just hit VR7 and I'm having a blast.
You know WoW lets you buy a level 90 character for $60? Maybe that's more your speed.Edited by Reymas on May 7, 2014 5:26AM0 -
killedbyping wrote: »What kind of nonsense that topic is ?
Complain about something that meant to be hard to achieve and long term to be actualy hard to achieve and long term ?
If you realy not interested in farm, grinding, leveling and questing why dont you go play something like Heroes of Newerth or Counter Strike ?
This is just redicilous.
Obviously, you are doing it wrong.
I got vr1 and half way to vr2 before i even left Coldharbour.
Now im doing quests simply for achivements and skill points. Not really up to achieve max level as fast as possible. I have no problems with my vr4 atm. Can play PVP or do anything else just fine.
If you want fast level up go for PVP or farm dungeons. This is realy the fastest way.
How did you get veteran points at coldharbour? I just reached VR and i seem to get none..0 -
By the way, you can get plenty of exp from vet dungeons hence skipping all the questing. E.g., Wayrest Sewers is doable under 20 minutes, and you get 250k+ vet points from bosses alone.0
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You know, when I first ordered this game, I was like, cool, after I get to 50 I can just explore the other factions territories, I was completely unaware that I am pretty much starting over....which is just ridiculous. They should have just left the other areas as lvl 50, and then let us do adventure zones like craglorn. And I am understanding this right, there are NO adventure zones in this game yet? Did the game seriously launch with not a single operation / raid zone? If so, that is just ridiculous....tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »VR - Forcing you to do every quest, every dolmen and every world boss to progress to the next rank and to top it off, you have to clear TWO factions worth of quests. But there is the second choice, you can go for the old korean mmo experience by grinding 1000000000000000 mobs.
Elder Scrolls Grind,
not a true TES game at all.
I'm VR 9 now, and I'm so god damn sick of doing quesssssssssssstsssssssssss.
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Udaku✭✭We were all deceived by the sweet words. Don't let that happen to any of us again!
Bugs, unbalanced veteran content, classes without progression after level 50. All this seems like a bunch of rubish talk, but when you go there and play, you see everything. Whats bad and whats even worse. Then you come here to write a post or a thread about it, which gets flamed by elitist, fanboys and blinded people without their own opinion. Then all over again... No use anymore, read my signature and all will be explained in three words.
Boycott, oppose & unsubscribe!0 -
Kililin✭✭✭✭moquerreeb17_ESO wrote: »By the way, you can get plenty of exp from vet dungeons hence skipping all the questing. E.g., Wayrest Sewers is doable under 20 minutes, and you get 250k+ vet points from bosses alone.
I want a video of a VR sewers clear in under 20 minutes by a group of V1-2.
Boss farming is an option, but time vs. xp it becomes efficient only later on, imho.
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