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Nerfing a skill line before fixing the skills?
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blackwolf7✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »The problem is still unersolved, I can stack Standard of Might. LOL, go exploit it PVP's.
Quiet! You dont want unskilled players cry about it too
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natedipaolob14_ESO wrote: »I have read every comment in this post and all you dumb players whining and complaining about OP vampires need to learn how to play this game. Use the Fighters Guild skill line and get off the forums so the devs can focus on the real problems in this game and not get side tracked by wankers on the forums who don't want to use all the skill lines available to them. Thank you and have a nice day
BTW: I slay vampires and you can too if you got off the forums and learned how to play the game
Please explain to me how you (or anyone) can slay Vampires who do not leave Mist Form and are able to use Bat Swarm due to 0 Ultimate cost.
I will wait for an explanation, unfortunately I'd wait a lifetime until you had an answer, because aside from becoming a Vampire myself: there is not one.
It doesn't matter if I am in game, on the forums, or in my room [snip] to pictures of Edward Cullen, nothing I can do as a non-Vampire can kill one who stays in Mist Form with Bat Swarm casting. I can run, but not kill.
The amount of entitlement in your post is disgusting and while you will deny accusations to your wood encased coffin I would wager that you (gasp!) play/played as a Vampire.
Do I get overly upset when a Vampire would kill myself and my group? No.
Do I want to see ESO be a successful game and not suffer to poorly made mechanics? Yes.
If you want to be taken seriously, be constructive.
Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on May 7, 2014 3:39AM0 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭jnormanb14a_ESO wrote: »natedipaolob14_ESO wrote: »I have read every comment in this post and all you dumb players whining and complaining about OP vampires need to learn how to play this game. Use the Fighters Guild skill line and get off the forums so the devs can focus on the real problems in this game and not get side tracked by wankers on the forums who don't want to use all the skill lines available to them. Thank you and have a nice day
BTW: I slay vampires and you can too if you got off the forums and learned how to play the game
Please explain to me how you (or anyone) can slay Vampires who do not leave Mist Form and are able to use Bat Swarm due to 0 Ultimate cost.
I will wait for an explanation, unfortunately I'd wait a lifetime until you had an answer, because aside from becoming a Vampire myself: there is not one.
It doesn't matter if I am in game, on the forums, or in my room [snip] to pictures of Edward Cullen, nothing I can do as a non-Vampire can kill one who stays in Mist Form with Bat Swarm casting. I can run, but not kill.
The amount of entitlement in your post is disgusting and while you will deny accusations to your wood encased coffin I would wager that you (gasp!) play/played as a Vampire.
Do I get overly upset when a Vampire would kill myself and my group? No.
Do I want to see ESO be a successful game and not suffer to poorly made mechanics? Yes.
If you want to be taken seriously, be constructive.
You do know you can use aoe fire on vamps while they are in mistform right? You do know you can use negate spell on vamps in bat swarm right? You do know you can do bash while in mistform right?
It is easy to counter vamps its all about learning them. But majority of people in pvp doesnt want that they want to faceroll every class. Wether youre a vamp or not.
Vr10 vs vr10 pt of view. But if youre vr5 and engaged a vr10 ofcourse you will lose
Anyways since you whiners already won it is useless to discuss things of the past.
We just want our passives to get fixedEdited by ZOS_LeroyW on May 7, 2014 3:57AM2 -
Shillen✭✭✭michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO wrote: »
No that is exactly what bad players who couldnt use or refused to use skills from a skill line, fighters guild, or learn how to tab target a mist formed vamp wanted to hear. This is not what the community in a whole wanted to hear and not players who enjoyed vamp in PvE wanted to hear.
Im a vamp dk and saw the AMA transcript and saw that it was supposed to be applied to PvP not PvE and was fine with that. I was also under the impression that we would be getting the line fixed at the same time or even before a nerf was applied but logic need not apply apparently.
Yeah, this didn't work at all. You're full of *** if you think all you had to do was spam silver bolts to kill a vampire abusing cost reduction.
Please LOL my comments. I'm an aspiring comedian.0 -
blackwolf7 wrote: »jnormanb14a_ESO wrote: »natedipaolob14_ESO wrote: »I have read every comment in this post and all you dumb players whining and complaining about OP vampires need to learn how to play this game. Use the Fighters Guild skill line and get off the forums so the devs can focus on the real problems in this game and not get side tracked by wankers on the forums who don't want to use all the skill lines available to them. Thank you and have a nice day
BTW: I slay vampires and you can too if you got off the forums and learned how to play the game
Please explain to me how you (or anyone) can slay Vampires who do not leave Mist Form and are able to use Bat Swarm due to 0 Ultimate cost.
I will wait for an explanation, unfortunately I'd wait a lifetime until you had an answer, because aside from becoming a Vampire myself: there is not one.
It doesn't matter if I am in game, on the forums, or in my room masturbating to pictures of Edward Cullen, nothing I can do as a non-Vampire can kill one who stays in Mist Form with Bat Swarm casting. I can run, but not kill.
The amount of entitlement in your post is disgusting and while you will deny accusations to your wood encased coffin I would wager that you (gasp!) play/played as a Vampire.
Do I get overly upset when a Vampire would kill myself and my group? No.
Do I want to see ESO be a successful game and not suffer to poorly made mechanics? Yes.
If you want to be taken seriously, be constructive.
You do know you can use aoe fire on vamps while they are in mistform right? You do know you can use negate spell on vamps in bat swarm right? You do know you can do bash while in mistform right?
It is easy to counter vamps its all about learning them. But majority of people in pvp doesnt want that they want to faceroll every class. Wether youre a vamp or not.
Vr10 vs vr10 pt of view. But if youre vr5 and engaged a vr10 ofcourse you will lose
Anyways since you whiners already won it is useless to discuss things of the past.
We just want our passives to get fixed
I am a Nightblade.
I have no fire damage. I don't have negate spell. I can bash.
Is my "L2P" supposed to be "re-roll another class"?
Regardless, even if I had those tools available to me, it's an uphill battle.
I don't even consider this a whine, I just wanted to see a mechanic that was hurting the game fixed. I consider myself a good player, maybe I am not, but that isn't the point. Even if noobs get steamrolled by Vampires, we want those noobs to play ESO.
If there are no players, then none of this matters. And a large amount of the playerbase did not enjoy being fodder to the cannon called Vampire.1 -
Reignskream✭✭✭✭Fact is, everybody doesn't want to have to reroll for fighters guild skills/ fire abilities in some way shape or form just so they can survive in PVP.
We only have 10 skill slots, and we have to use them wisely, and we all want to play how we want to play, not play humans vs vampires every time we log into pvp. All i saw were vamps in pvp, guarantee we won't be seeing many of them anymore.Edited by Reignskream on May 7, 2014 3:06AM0 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭I see. So in your pt of view, you should be able to one on one every class in game? Hmm i dont think were on the same page. Then you should roll to a more godlike class like dk or sorcs.0
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Reignskream✭✭✭✭blackwolf7 wrote: »I see. So in your pt of view, you should be able to one on one every class in game? Hmm i dont think were on the same page. Then you should roll to a more godlike class like dk or sorcs.
Not necessarily, i just don't enjoy myself logging into pvp to find out its twilight land. And that I'm forced to use said abilities because 90% of the population is vamps. Half were vamps because they knew they could faceroll if played correctly.Edited by Reignskream on May 7, 2014 3:09AM0 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »blackwolf7 wrote: »I see. So in your pt of view, you should be able to one on one every class in game? Hmm i dont think were on the same page. Then you should roll to a more godlike class like dk or sorcs.
Not necessarily, i just don't enjoy myself logging into pvp to find out its twilight land. And that I'm forced to use said abilities because 90% of the population is vamps.
Oh with that then it is ok. I thought you just wanted to kill everyone with ease. I thought you wanted to nerf vamps because you cant deal with them. If thats the case its a learn to play issue as i am not having a hard time killing them.
If thats your reason then it's purely aesthetic. Not sure why you cared for looks though if youre a pvper0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭WilliamTee wrote: »The idea that people can defend this flawed mechanic is utterly bizarre to me.
They fixed something that ruined half the game, and will continue to work towards fixing things that inconvenience a small fraction of the player base.
You actually think anything was fixed?
Spamming mist across a map faster than a horse, using a drain that restores all your health 100x before running OOM, and spamming the same ult 5 times in one spot for 1000 DPS and equal health wasn't broken to you? Are you on THE DRUGS sir?
Vamps still have a powerful set of drains, super speed sneak, and a silly strong set of damage reduction abilities. Let's stop pretending it still isn't waaaay better than humans or WW.Edited by SunfireKnight86 on May 7, 2014 3:11AM0 -
Reignskream✭✭✭✭blackwolf7 wrote: »Reignskream wrote: »blackwolf7 wrote: »I see. So in your pt of view, you should be able to one on one every class in game? Hmm i dont think were on the same page. Then you should roll to a more godlike class like dk or sorcs.
Not necessarily, i just don't enjoy myself logging into pvp to find out its twilight land. And that I'm forced to use said abilities because 90% of the population is vamps.
Oh with that then it is ok. I thought you just wanted to kill everyone with ease. I thought you wanted to nerf vamps because you cant deal with them. If thats the case its a learn to play issue as i am not having a hard time killing them.
If thats your reason then it's purely aesthetic. Not sure why you cared for looks though if youre a pvper
Not at all, i've killed plenty of vamps, but when i see 20-30 people getting stomped by one vamp, it really turns me off in the aspect of enjoying pvp.0 -
curlyqloub14_ESO✭✭✭✭I'm not normally one to complain about "nerfs", and honestly, most of the time I hardly even notice, but I gotta' say - this one sucks.
I'm a Nightblade Vamp, and I can honestly say I have never felt overpowered. The -60% cost to vamp skills seemed to me to just about balance the -75% HP regen. (Let's not even consider the fire weakness, but needless to say - there were definitely some balances to the few powerful vamp skills.)
I'm not looking to flame anyone, but I really think that a lot of people crying about vamps being "unkillable" are focusing on the wrong thing. It's not JUST being a vampire. It seems to me it was a combination of vampire AND some class skills specific to Sorcerer and DragonKnight.
But because of all these people wailing and moaning about vamp - the devs focused solely on vamp skills, which is NOT where the problem lies. The effect being that many of us (who were NOT overpowered to begin with) are now suffering, while those who really could take advantage of the synergies between certain skills are still able to do so. Thanks to so many of you complaining about only the skill you can "see" (being vamp), you have hurt a lot of us who never had an advantage to start with.
I realize there were obviously some unfair advantages with CERTAIN skill combinations along with vamp, but PLEASE, lets focus on those problematic combos - and stop making sweeping statements and generalizations that don't fix anything, and only hurt players who were already weaker to begin with.
Nerf the runspeed while in Mist Form - fine.
Nerf the stacking Bat Swarm thing - fine also (I'm kinda' suprised it would stack anyway).
Nerfing the cost to use the vampire skills - NOT the right fix for these problems.Edited by curlyqloub14_ESO on May 7, 2014 3:16AM1 -
7788b14_ESO✭✭✭Pvp is a small part of this game yet it is effecting pve which all people play (only way to level and do story). Remove pvp or rework it.Edited by 7788b14_ESO on May 7, 2014 3:27AM0 -
Morbus2✭✭✭neocomab16_ESO wrote: »I'm not a vampire, but I can speak on behalf of night blades (and I'm sure others can speak on behalf of other classes) but overall lots of class abilities need fixing. Just because you got the nerf stick doesn't entitle vampires to receive ability fixes prior to class abilities. This whole conversation wouldn't even take place if Zeni would just fix every ability so it worked as it should. I share your pain in broken abilities, but don't direct your entitlement to other players.
Nobody wants prior fixes ...well not me at least. The fact that pisses people off is that the nerf comes but the fixes come in two weeks or so. And this leads to questioning ZOs decision making.
/agree
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blackwolf7✭✭✭neocomab16_ESO wrote: »I'm not a vampire, but I can speak on behalf of night blades (and I'm sure others can speak on behalf of other classes) but overall lots of class abilities need fixing. Just because you got the nerf stick doesn't entitle vampires to receive ability fixes prior to class abilities. This whole conversation wouldn't even take place if Zeni would just fix every ability so it worked as it should. I share your pain in broken abilities, but don't direct your entitlement to other players.
Nobody wants prior fixes ...well not me at least. The fact that pisses people off is that the nerf comes but the fixes come in two weeks or so. And this leads to questioning ZOs decision making.
/agree
Consider it luck if we get it in two weeks. Chances are when they apply the fix, 50% chance that it will get bugged.
How i wish they can apply the fix now so they can atleast start working for the future bug0 -
Mendoze✭✭✭I think devs made the right decision to hot fix game breaking glitches first, and later evaluate and correct passives that cause only annoyance. I do understand that most vampires never get to experience vampire god mode, but some did, and they abused it so badly, that it had to be fixed asap. To be honest, I think it still took way too long for devs to realize how bad the situation was.
Imagine if some sorcerers in PVP and PVE could bolt escape virtually without any mana cost, have immunity to cc, and could chain cast meteors non-stop. Then take a good look at the mirror, and think does that sound like a broken mechanic, even if YOU can't do that. If you answer yes, you might realize why devs had to hot fix vampire skills line abuse before fixing their passives.0 -
concobar✭✭✭WilliamTee wrote: »@concobar @htoncic
So... You're saying this is the game working completely as intended?
youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U
No I am saying the certain classes, namely
Sorc with Sword and Board abusing bats....
DK with sword and board abusing bats...
Abused bats.
Your typical NB vamp did not. The issue was with Bat stacking which needed a fix because some classes could abuse it but now all.
I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.0 -
concobar✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »The problem is still unersolved, I can stack Standard of Might. LOL, go exploit it PVP's.
I tried to tell people. Standard and talon spam are going to wreck ***.
I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.0 -
Zethrion✭
2. Somebody's gotta have it slotted and ultimate built up for it. Bad thing to have just one counter as well. Especially when only one class has it.
3. Tried that, didn't work. Also you can't control the other twenty people that are there with you.
well
2. Yes one need to slot yes only one class has it, so u are 20 peeps if noone takes its there fail.
3. well if 20 peeps cant move 20 peeps deserve to die just like in pve boss fight
and for the rest of the points i made, they dont work!!! if ur 20 other peeps stand still like idiots... so there i suggest, that u wait till they are dead, and fight 1 vs 1 with the vamp...
and to ur question, should one be able to take out 20 player, answer is yes, if the 20 stand still and dont move... thats the concept of the class canon, High risk high reward...
plus this game is made as a reaction fight, not button spam stand still...
and the emperor, well thats him being awesome, and he is intend to be REALLY HARD to take down+. True adding high damage on him from a class canon spec makes him even more strong... but thats not the vampires fault.... its how the synergy where meant to work
Edited by Zethrion on May 7, 2014 1:37PM0 -
concobar✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »WilliamTee wrote: »The idea that people can defend this flawed mechanic is utterly bizarre to me.
They fixed something that ruined half the game, and will continue to work towards fixing things that inconvenience a small fraction of the player base.
You actually think anything was fixed?
Spamming mist across a map faster than a horse, using a drain that restores all your health 100x before running OOM, and spamming the same ult 5 times in one spot for 1000 DPS and equal health wasn't broken to you? Are you on THE DRUGS sir?
Vamps still have a powerful set of drains, super speed sneak, and a silly strong set of damage reduction abilities. Let's stop pretending it still isn't waaaay better than humans or WW.
I think, based on your post that you must be completely ignorant to how vamp powers work. Mist was a great ability to be sure but no better than Sorcs have and Sorcs dont have the huge fire debuff and health regen debuff. I think slowing it down to the same speed as Sorcs was fair but why increase its cost by almost 100% and reduce cost reduction?
Sorc tele > Vamp mist.
Drain... when it works can be used one time on a particular foe. It is still a good ability but was never ever ever a game breaker and now has had its cost increased drastically.
Batswarm. This one needed to be fixed but really hasnt been. DK and Sorc vamps will now just have perma bats instead of bat stacks which will still own noobs up like it was their job.I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.0 -
Eris✭✭✭✭Yawn, vampires, vampires, vampires...
I think if people are willing to pay 10k+ to become a vampire, then it must be powerful enough to warrant nerfing. If people feel that it is a powerful enough advantage to siege the sites where one could get bitten to sell the bites, obviously people know it is over powered and people will pay for it.
I wouldn't know for myself, I am not a vampire and I do not PVP, but from what I can see, people abusing the vampire powers brought it on themselves and lost the uberness for all the vampires who didn't.
So don't blame Zenimax for taking away your toys, blame the exploiters and the bite sellers, and the spawn campers. They probably wouldn't have gotten to it so soon if it wasn't for the abuse, and they wouldn't have brought the bat down so hard if it people didn't cry about vampires so much.Side effects of reading messages on forums can cause nausea, head aches, spontaneous fits of rage, urination due to intense laughter, and sometimes the death of your monitor or other object in throwing range. If you find that you are reading forums more than 24 hours a day, please consult your nearest temporal physicist.0 -
concobar✭✭✭
I wouldn't know for myself, I am not a vampire and I do not PVP, but from what I can see, people abusing the vampire powers brought it on themselves and lost the uberness for all the vampires who didn't.
LOL
Yeah, your opinion counts.I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.0 -
Silestia✭Yawn, vampires, vampires, vampires...
I think if people are willing to pay 10k+ to become a vampire, then it must be powerful enough to warrant nerfing. If people feel that it is a powerful enough advantage to siege the sites where one could get bitten to sell the bites, obviously people know it is over powered and people will pay for it.
I wouldn't know for myself, I am not a vampire and I do not PVP, but from what I can see, people abusing the vampire powers brought it on themselves and lost the uberness for all the vampires who didn't.
So don't blame Zenimax for taking away your toys, blame the exploiters and the bite sellers, and the spawn campers. They probably wouldn't have gotten to it so soon if it wasn't for the abuse, and they wouldn't have brought the bat down so hard if it people didn't cry about vampires so much.
So even though most people did nothing wrong they deserve to be punished for the actions of an extreme minority of players.0 -
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✭✭✭✭So don't blame Zenimax for taking away your toys, blame the exploiters
To be clear, there was no exploit. There was just the vampire skill line that ZOS put into the game, and some people used, and others did not.
Dont blame Zenimax though you say?? Blame people for using skills they put in the game, and then jump on a long string of terrible players who say its an exploit.
This forum is driven by the opinions of so many idiots that dont even know what theyre complaining about.0 -
Eris✭✭✭✭Yawn, vampires, vampires, vampires...
I think if people are willing to pay 10k+ to become a vampire, then it must be powerful enough to warrant nerfing. If people feel that it is a powerful enough advantage to siege the sites where one could get bitten to sell the bites, obviously people know it is over powered and people will pay for it.
I wouldn't know for myself, I am not a vampire and I do not PVP, but from what I can see, people abusing the vampire powers brought it on themselves and lost the uberness for all the vampires who didn't.
So don't blame Zenimax for taking away your toys, blame the exploiters and the bite sellers, and the spawn campers. They probably wouldn't have gotten to it so soon if it wasn't for the abuse, and they wouldn't have brought the bat down so hard if it people didn't cry about vampires so much.
So even though most people did nothing wrong they deserve to be punished for the actions of an extreme minority of players.
No, they do not deserve to get punished, but they are being punished anyway. That is the way it works in MMOs, the crybabies on the forums and people who heavily abuse a system screw everyone else. Look at any MMO, it happens in all of them.
The part of the vampire mechanics that I really think is lame is that people can camp the source and prevent people from getting it normally so that they can sell it.
Myself, I have no interest in being a vampire. The world (not ESO but the real world) is far to saturated with vampires (TV, movies, books, RPGs) for me to be interested in it at all.Side effects of reading messages on forums can cause nausea, head aches, spontaneous fits of rage, urination due to intense laughter, and sometimes the death of your monitor or other object in throwing range. If you find that you are reading forums more than 24 hours a day, please consult your nearest temporal physicist.1 -
Eris✭✭✭✭So don't blame Zenimax for taking away your toys, blame the exploiters
To be clear, there was no exploit. There was just the vampire skill line that ZOS put into the game, and some people used, and others did not.
Dont blame Zenimax though you say?? Blame people for using skills they put in the game, and then jump on a long string of terrible players who say its an exploit.
This forum is driven by the opinions of so many idiots that dont even know what theyre complaining about.
Just because it can be done doesn't mean it's not an exploit. In fact, that is exactly what an exploit is. The very definition of exploit is to use some part of a system to an unintended advantage.
You can claim that players aren't as cool, and that they should be better, but in the long run on a level playing field, and equally skilled player that is not a vampire with those exact skills would not be close to a match.
I don't even have to participate in PVP to understand that basic logic. So if that is the case, then there is no point for anyone to participate in PVP unless they have that exact build as they will be mostly doomed (mind you I said mostly, not totally). If 99% of successful PVPers follow that build and use those specific powers, then it is obvious that adjustments needed to be made.
The most important and inescapable fact of MMO play is that no matter what you play, no matter how innocent you are, no matter what you think, your going to feel the nerf-bat eventually and likely repeatedly.
The other equally inescapable fact is that people will come to the forum, they will complain, and I've never (maybe once) seen it matter. The reason, the Devs already knew that you would do that and factored it into their decision. That is why these forums are here, so you can vent, not necessarily to get them to change their minds.Side effects of reading messages on forums can cause nausea, head aches, spontaneous fits of rage, urination due to intense laughter, and sometimes the death of your monitor or other object in throwing range. If you find that you are reading forums more than 24 hours a day, please consult your nearest temporal physicist.1 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »WilliamTee wrote: »The idea that people can defend this flawed mechanic is utterly bizarre to me.
They fixed something that ruined half the game, and will continue to work towards fixing things that inconvenience a small fraction of the player base.
You actually think anything was fixed?
Spamming mist across a map faster than a horse, using a drain that restores all your health 100x before running OOM, and spamming the same ult 5 times in one spot for 1000 DPS and equal health wasn't broken to you? Are you on THE DRUGS sir?
Vamps still have a powerful set of drains, super speed sneak, and a silly strong set of damage reduction abilities. Let's stop pretending it still isn't waaaay better than humans or WW.
I think, based on your post that you must be completely ignorant to how vamp powers work. Mist was a great ability to be sure but no better than Sorcs have and Sorcs dont have the huge fire debuff and health regen debuff. I think slowing it down to the same speed as Sorcs was fair but why increase its cost by almost 100% and reduce cost reduction?
Sorc tele > Vamp mist.
Drain... when it works can be used one time on a particular foe. It is still a good ability but was never ever ever a game breaker and now has had its cost increased drastically.
Batswarm. This one needed to be fixed but really hasnt been. DK and Sorc vamps will now just have perma bats instead of bat stacks which will still own noobs up like it was their job.
Your comments show your lack of understanding.
- Mist was a from of transportation in which your damage was reduced by 75% while you ran at the speed of a horse. I used it to run through public dungeons to the boss and shard. It doesn't compare to a class ability, because it isn't one. Those are seperate.
-That "meh" drain restores my health damn near 100% when I slot it for midnight drain. That's probably the most powerful heal I have. Let's not even mention it stuns for the duration. (Oops, I did) It is still a powerful drain for its cost. So what if you can only use it once per mob? Do you need to use it more than three or four times in a fight against 4 mobs? If so I suggest you look at what you're doing wrong.
-What made bat swarm powerful was that it could be stacked in one spot, doing thousands of damage and healing thousands of health per second to a huge area. Now that it can't be stacked it's just a decent AoE drain. Feel free to spam it all day long, I can out DPS anything that only does 100 damage/drain a second by a long shot. Now I can actually get within melee range of vamps in PvP. And if you need thousands of health per second as PvE you were clearly also exploiting the mechanics.
-I am a magicka build. I stay in Stage 1. That fire resist doesn't do *** to me with near capped magicka defense and three fire runes. Everyone keeps talking about the vamp negatives like they are hard to compensate for. They aren't.
They didn't break ***, it's just not god mode anymore. Forgive me if I don't cry in mah beer.Edited by SunfireKnight86 on May 7, 2014 4:53PM0