Personally I think dungeon completion should just require all bosses to be defeated. Don't do the content? Don't get rewarded for it.

RaikaNA wrote: »

amig186 wrote: »

Please, no. You can explore that dungeon on your own if you want, don't deprive other people of a useful shortcut.

Those who want a shortcut can do it solo... don't deprive the rest of the group of dungeon content because you don't want to finish the rest of the dungeon.

Not if you add slaughterfish they can't. What content, anyway, fighting the same bosses for the 100th time?

Edit: If you don't want to skip, ask your groupmates not to skip. Run with guildies or other people who will agree to your request. What you're suggesting is a heavy handed approach that will only benefit the few.

There's the occasional chest down there, sometimes even 2 on the same map.

RaikaNA wrote: »

amig186 wrote: »

Please, no. You can explore that dungeon on your own if you want, don't deprive other people of a useful shortcut.

Those who want a shortcut can do it solo... don't deprive the rest of the group of dungeon content because you don't want to finish the rest of the dungeon.

Most players have done these dungeons 1000 times already. Especially since AWA you don't need to do it all over again with every new character. New players can ask in chat to do all bosses. Most groups are nice and will help out. Thinking about boss nr. 3 in vFG2, the one with the adds who gets a shild if you kill all adds - I'm glad to have a shortcut. This can be a very looooong, boooooring fight if players don't know mechanic and refuse to read chat.

In my experience, when running FG1 or 2, people do what the majority wants. The other day I ended up in a group with 3 under lvl 50 characters in FG1 and me the only one with CP.
Once we came to said waterfall one asked if we would skip or run, then we voted and we did complete without skip because 2 players where new and wanted to kill everything.
It is a lack of communication what ruins dungeon runs for new players often.

I don't have chat enabled properly. It appears then disappears so I have no. Idea what's going on. If someone wants to do the bosses I follow though.

If the group aren't friendly you queue again straight after and it'll come up quite quickly. There are always people doing that dungeon.

If I jump in the water I've often struggled to get out of the water in time for the final battle so tend I run past the other bosses anyway.

Ok!
In exchange, make all those tiny crabs on the bridge and at the crab boss elite mobs with 12 mio hp each. After all, we all want a real dungeon experience and a challenge, right?
Deal?

I'm gonna have to agree with everyone else here, just speak up and most groups will be fine running a complete. I used to run this solo so often(way back I was DETERMINED to get a full druegh king slayer set. The freaking BOW took a couple of MONTHS from a chest. Gotta love rng) and I still use it to soft test new builds. What you're asking for is an almost guaranteed death if anyone falls unless they're in one spot(right before the bridge to the crab) and what about when you leave? Will you walk back through the whole dungeon? Another dungeon you HAVE to port out of? Just leave it alone and ask to see it all. Most people really won't mind.

Slaughterfish won't fix the issue. You'll have at least 4-5 seconds alive in water. It is enough to reach the crab-boss island.

The problem exists, but it should be solved with different tools. It is not the one dungeon issue, but all dungeons globally.

The root of the problem is a conflict in players` motivations/goals. Some people came to run the dungeon fast for reward. Some for quest and atmosphere. Some for loot from definite boss. Some just for fun. All those people find themselves in random group with each other and try to reach their own goals as they can. It is a road of inevitable frustration. That's why people of each side often ask to punish others for doing dungeon not their way.

The obvious and bad way to solve the problem - make different queues for different interests. It would obviously separate the people who run with different speed, which is good. It will make each queue proportionally longer, which is very bad.

Another way is to teleport people to the rest of the group. It works today for bossfights, but in unfair way - forward only. I guess it should work for all fights, not bosses only. More than that I'm convinced, that it should happen in both directions. If 3 of 4 people are fighting somewhere back in corridors, fastrunner should join them in fight, not the opposite.
Honestly, there are many technical problems with this idea. How to solve 2vs2 case for instance? Also it won't really solve the problem of frustrated people. The idea is raw.

A bit better way is to make a story mode for dungeons. It will solve the problem for people who are frustrated of speedrunners the most. So they could do their quests and enjoy the atmosphere without any rush. The question of reward/no-reward is solvable I think, it is not a real problem.

The rest of interests are easier to put together. The main unsolved problem would be skippable bosses and people who want their loot, I think. It usually can be solved with ingroup communication, but well sometimes it just doesn't work.
The good solution is simple extending the time players can be in dungeon after the end of run. Well I guess it can't be endless by some technical causes - devs somewhy added the timer. Then please make this timer resettable by some action. Ran into battle, looted the container, entered the door - some activities that reset it, so you could have your 1-2 minutes again. It will free the instance from afkers, but allow active people loot missed chests, kill skipped bosses etc. It won't eat so much server resource.

TLDR:
Please add the story mode for dungeons and make the timer after the run extendable.
It will solve most of the PUG dungeon frustrations.

I might argue the shortcut method is part of the experience. That said there are many runs where players can opt to take a shortcut thru some of the content.

Plz no, those waters are a convenient place to wash all the Dreugh off my armour

Seriously tho, FG is fine as it is IMO, just solo it on normal. It's one of the most forgiving dungeons in the game and after a couple runs you'll be breezing through it..

Soloing dungeons is WAY more satisfying, fun, I can go at my own pace, EXPERIENCE the ones that have a cool story quest, etc. Once you have done a dungeon a few times you may be looking for shortcuts yourself too.

But you can't alter content or expect others to conform to your agenda in a PUG, everyone has their own agendas and if you are using dungeon finder you have to expect that.

Or if soloing isn't your thing run with friends\guildies who share your goals.

I have never seen anyone on here post anything GOOD about group finder or random normals, so learning to work around it may take a lot of stress off of you

Skiping might be a shortcut to getting bored. Realising it is even harder after getting bored

If you want to run FG slowly, then solo it. It is objectively the easiest dungeon in the entire game. I cannot recall the last time I ran FG willingly in a group. If it's the pledge, I solo it in 5 mins. Stop trying to change the game for others to fit your play style.

Maybe the dungeon will chrash killing everything

Wow! Just because a few people can't swim!