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Auction House
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Tarukmockto✭✭✭No!Need is such a strong word. I don't need an auction house. It's very convenient for buying and selling the items I need or that others might want. That having been said, I'm actually interested to see how this turns out in the long run.
At the risk of restating what others have already said, here's my opinion. What we need is a better way to trade with each other. That could be as simple as a separate Trade Chat Channel. Get the WTB/WTS spam off the main chat channel for those who don't want to see it.
Or it could be as complicated as player sales kiosks, ala Aion. Where any player could hang out a shingle in any specific place they want. Other players could then stop at their kiosk and view their wares, or not.
I think somewhere in between will end up being the real answer, and as I said, I'm quite interested to see where it goes.NA - DC - DK - PC1 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!methjester wrote: »methjester wrote: »Games that have guild stores: ESO
Games that don't have guild stores: Every other game known to the MMO-verse.
It seems your choice is clear.
I suppose if you like non functional limited searches by no more than 500 loosely affiliated people with a poorly designed user interface you have made your choice. Kudos to you my good sir!
I am happy with my choice.
I am really sorry that you are not. But look on the bright side - there are literally hundreds of other games that have the AH you are looking for.
Good luck!
It's cool bro, you like the corner store that sells 10 brands of overpriced soda, I would like to go to the store that sells 1000 varieties at half price. Whatever makes YOU happy. What's good for the game is unimportant.
My question to you is what specific qualifications do you have to speak intelligently on what is good or not good for the game?
I am intelligent and mature enough to recognize that this game is different from other games. You fail to recognize that and so long as you continue to fail to recognize that you will continue to rage and fester and pout.
This game does not have an AH. It was a design decision and ZOS has given no indication that they are ever putting in a AH - get over it.
Or, you know, keep raging about a game that doesn't have an AH by screaming at the top of your lungs, "This game doesn't have an AH!"
And so far in one month they have realized due to player demand that COD fee's were bad. So they fixed it. Guild posting fees were bad. So they fixed it. Guild store interfaces are horrible. They are redesigning it. People do want auction houses. They are adding guild kiosks. (meh, I'll try it)
By my count, that's four major changes to the economy in less than a month to this system you just claimed is set in stone. If the players don't like it, they will change. I think I understand perfectly fine buckaroo.3 -
Brennan✭✭✭No!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »They'll put one in, or something just like one. It's just a question of when.
And you say I work for ZOS? How do you know what they've got planned? Magic 8 ball? Tea leaves?
"Consult the Oracle at Delphi!"
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!methjester wrote: »methjester wrote: »methjester wrote: »Games that have guild stores: ESO
Games that don't have guild stores: Every other game known to the MMO-verse.
It seems your choice is clear.
I suppose if you like non functional limited searches by no more than 500 loosely affiliated people with a poorly designed user interface you have made your choice. Kudos to you my good sir!
I am happy with my choice.
I am really sorry that you are not. But look on the bright side - there are literally hundreds of other games that have the AH you are looking for.
Good luck!
It's cool bro, you like the corner store that sells 10 brands of overpriced soda, I would like to go to the store that sells 1000 varieties at half price. Whatever makes YOU happy. What's good for the game is unimportant.
My question to you is what specific qualifications do you have to speak intelligently on what is good or not good for the game?
I am intelligent and mature enough to recognize that this game is different from other games. You fail to recognize that and so long as you continue to fail to recognize that you will continue to rage and fester and pout.
This game does not have an AH. It was a design decision and ZOS has given no indication that they are ever putting in a AH - get over it.
Or, you know, keep raging about a game that doesn't have an AH by screaming at the top of your lungs, "This game doesn't have an AH!"
And so far in one month they have realized due to player demand that COD fee's were bad. So they fixed it. Guild posting fees were bad. So they fixed it. Guild store interfaces are horrible. They are redesigning it. People do want auction houses. They are adding guild kiosks. (meh, I'll try it)
By my count, that's four major changes to the economy in less than a month to this system you just claimed is set in stone. If the players don't like it, they will change. I think I understand perfectly fine buckaroo.
Fact. I promise within a year we'll have a global AH system. I bet it'll be something stupid like, "Search every guild store and pay a small fee to buy from other guilds."
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methjester✭✭✭Yes!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »They'll put one in, or something just like one. It's just a question of when.
I'm sure. I sold stuff for years by the bagfull in the East Common tunnels back in Everquest. It got old after a while. The novelty of jumping around selling and buying stuff through zone chat will wear off. People will leave the game, it's natural. It's... inevitable.
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And the argument goes round and round
Round and round
Round and round
But no, really, this is a bit ridiculous already.
MMOS CHANGE OVER TIME
This game would be completely different if some stuff that people complained about wasn't changed in beta.
Okay, now that we established this again... Can we stop with the "this game shouldn't have X feature because it doesn't have X feature"? The world shouldn't have peace because it doesn't have peace. People shouldn't date someone since they are not dating anyone. It doesn't make sense and the only thing that it adds to the discussion is more pages.
I am not agreeing with the people that want an AH, I am just tired of this kind of stuff being posted every time someone makes a suggestion.
There, rant over. Bring on the hate.Edited by Abeille on May 6, 2014 6:41PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!Tarukmockto wrote: »Need is such a strong word. I don't need an auction house. It's very convenient for buying and selling the items I need or that others might want. That having been said, I'm actually interested to see how this turns out in the long run.
At the risk of restating what others have already said, here's my opinion. What we need is a better way to trade with each other. That could be as simple as a separate Trade Chat Channel. Get the WTB/WTS spam off the main chat channel for those who don't want to see it.
Or it could be as complicated as player sales kiosks, ala Aion. Where any player could hang out a shingle in any specific place they want. Other players could then stop at their kiosk and view their wares, or not.
I think somewhere in between will end up being the real answer, and as I said, I'm quite interested to see where it goes.
I'd say over half of the people who don't want an auction house all agree that the system as is doesn't work.
I myself don't really care if the end result is a global or faction auction house, I just know that the system now just doesn't work.
Fight amongst yourselves and figure out a way for me to reach more than 2500 out of the million people at a time playing this game. I'd also like to not port from wayshrine to wayshrine worrying about people backing out of deals and I'll be happy. I prefer to play the game, not play porty salesman.
I must have missed the part in the old elder scrolls games where porting from shrine to shrine to make deals was part of the lore.
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!And the argument goes round and round
Round and round
Round and round
But no, really, this is a bit ridiculous already.
MMOS CHANGE OVER TIME
This game would be completely different if some stuff that people complained about wasn't changed in beta.
Okay, now that we established this again... Can we stop with the "this game shouldn't have X feature because it doesn't have X feature"? The world shouldn't have peace because it doesn't have peace. People shouldn't date someone since they are not dating anyone. It doesn't make sense and the only thing that it adds to the discussion is more pages.
I am not agreeing with the people that want an AH, I am just tired of this kind of stuff being posted every time someone makes a suggestion.
There, rant over. Bring on the hate.
MMO do change over time. That's how AH got started. Not having a global trade network is a big step backwards economy wise.0 -
Brennan✭✭✭No!@Abeille - A fair point. Let me put it a different way then.
If you want a globalized server-wide AH, you're playing the wrong game.
@SunfireKnight86Fact. I promise within a year we'll have a global AH system. I bet it'll be something stupid like, "Search every guild store and pay a small fee to buy from other guilds."
Citation needed.0 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!Poor @Brennan, fallen back to the "it doesn't have it now so it shouldn't have it" argument, which is nothing but fail when talking about MMOs, especially at launch. MMOs change, and continuously introduce new features. Taken as a whole, this game has promise...but there are parts of it that are ridiculously substandard and lackluster. They pull the game down. Trying to claim that the game is perfect, and doesn't need change in some areas, is completely untenable. It's pure stupidity.
The lack of an AH in this game isn't some enlightened design decision...they simply ran out of expertise and resources and couldn't make it happen. That is why we have the half arsed implementation we have now. Period. Only the fanbois are willing to buy into the "oh yeah, this is our design, isn't it brilliant" BS. Its much like the dateless kid sitting at home, rationalizing that he is there by conscious choice, and not because he couldn't get a date. Make no mistake, if they could have pulled it off, they would of...any other explanation is "sweet lemons" at this point.
You have YET to come up with one argument or position that hasn't been easily shredded. Not surprising that the other card you play is the "leave if you don't like it" one. I wonder how popular that one is a zeni? Since they are a company, and want our money, not very.Edited by Dyvim on May 6, 2014 7:53PMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.1 -
Brennan✭✭✭No!Poor @Brennan, fallen back to the "it doesn't have it now so it shouldn't have it" argument, which is nothing but fail when talking about MMOs, especially at launch. MMOs change, and continuously introduce new features. Taken as a whole, this game has promise...but there are parts of it that are ridiculously substandard and lackluster. They pull the game down. Trying to claim that the game is perfect, and doesn't need change in some areas, is completely untenable. It's pure stupidity.
The lack of an AH in this game isn't some enlightened design decision...they simply ran out of expertise and resources and couldn't make it happen. That is why we have the half arsed implementation we have now. Period. Only the fanbois are willing to buy into the "oh yeah, this is our design, isn't it brilliant" BS. Its much like the dateless kid sitting at home, rationalizing that he is there by conscious choice, and not because he couldn't get a date. Make no mistake, if they could have pulled it off, they would of...any other explanation is "sweet lemons" at this point.
You have YET to come up with one argument or position that hasn't been easily shredded. Not surprising that the other card you play is the "leave if you don't like it" one. I wonder how popular that one is a zeni? Since they are a company, and want our money, not very.
Your post are only good for a laugh Dyvim. I'm looking forward to you getting more mad that ESO isn't GW2 and then writing walls of text about it.
Also, citation needed on the bolded part of your post. Either that or stop making crap up.
Edited by Brennan on May 6, 2014 7:58PM0 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!Poor @Brennan, fallen back to the "it doesn't have it now so it shouldn't have it" argument, which is nothing but fail when talking about MMOs, especially at launch. MMOs change, and continuously introduce new features. Taken as a whole, this game has promise...but there are parts of it that are ridiculously substandard and lackluster. They pull the game down. Trying to claim that the game is perfect, and doesn't need change in some areas, is completely untenable. It's pure stupidity.
The lack of an AH in this game isn't some enlightened design decision...they simply ran out of expertise and resources and couldn't make it happen. That is why we have the half arsed implementation we have now. Period. Only the fanbois are willing to buy into the "oh yeah, this is our design, isn't it brilliant" BS. Its much like the dateless kid sitting at home, rationalizing that he is there by conscious choice, and not because he couldn't get a date. Make no mistake, if they could have pulled it off, they would of...any other explanation is "sweet lemons" at this point.
You have YET to come up with one argument or position that hasn't been easily shredded. Not surprising that the other card you play is the "leave if you don't like it" one. I wonder how popular that one is a zeni? Since they are a company, and want our money, not very.
Your post are only good for a laugh Dyvim. I'm looking forward to you getting more mad that ESO isn't GW2 and then writing walls of text about it.
Also, citation needed on the bolded part of your post. Either that or stop making crap up.
I'm actually interested now @Brennan. Why don't we need an AH other than you saying we don't?
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Brennan✭✭✭No!methjester wrote: »Poor @Brennan, fallen back to the "it doesn't have it now so it shouldn't have it" argument, which is nothing but fail when talking about MMOs, especially at launch. MMOs change, and continuously introduce new features. Taken as a whole, this game has promise...but there are parts of it that are ridiculously substandard and lackluster. They pull the game down. Trying to claim that the game is perfect, and doesn't need change in some areas, is completely untenable. It's pure stupidity.
The lack of an AH in this game isn't some enlightened design decision...they simply ran out of expertise and resources and couldn't make it happen. That is why we have the half arsed implementation we have now. Period. Only the fanbois are willing to buy into the "oh yeah, this is our design, isn't it brilliant" BS. Its much like the dateless kid sitting at home, rationalizing that he is there by conscious choice, and not because he couldn't get a date. Make no mistake, if they could have pulled it off, they would of...any other explanation is "sweet lemons" at this point.
You have YET to come up with one argument or position that hasn't been easily shredded. Not surprising that the other card you play is the "leave if you don't like it" one. I wonder how popular that one is a zeni? Since they are a company, and want our money, not very.
Your post are only good for a laugh Dyvim. I'm looking forward to you getting more mad that ESO isn't GW2 and then writing walls of text about it.
Also, citation needed on the bolded part of your post. Either that or stop making crap up.
I'm actually interested now @Brennan. Why don't we need an AH other than you saying we don't?
Because every other MMO has an auction house. Unless your interest is in playing Auction House Online (which I have no interest in), then it's okay if there is one that doesn't.
The only argument being made by those who support an Auction House has been and continues to be that every other MMO has one.
This one doesn't - get over it.
Alternatively, you could of course start another dozen threads about it.
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alphawolph✭✭✭Yes!More people voted since the last time I looked at this poll, but still the same result: 60% want an Auction House and 39% don't.
Maybe there should have been the option: "I would not mind if there would be an Auction House and Guild Stores side by side." But for now the conclusion is clear: We'd prefer to have an Auction House.methjester wrote: »Poor @Brennan, fallen back to the "it doesn't have it now so it shouldn't have it" argument, which is nothing but fail when talking about MMOs, especially at launch. MMOs change, and continuously introduce new features. Taken as a whole, this game has promise...but there are parts of it that are ridiculously substandard and lackluster. They pull the game down. Trying to claim that the game is perfect, and doesn't need change in some areas, is completely untenable. It's pure stupidity.
The lack of an AH in this game isn't some enlightened design decision...they simply ran out of expertise and resources and couldn't make it happen. That is why we have the half arsed implementation we have now. Period. Only the fanbois are willing to buy into the "oh yeah, this is our design, isn't it brilliant" BS. Its much like the dateless kid sitting at home, rationalizing that he is there by conscious choice, and not because he couldn't get a date. Make no mistake, if they could have pulled it off, they would of...any other explanation is "sweet lemons" at this point.
You have YET to come up with one argument or position that hasn't been easily shredded. Not surprising that the other card you play is the "leave if you don't like it" one. I wonder how popular that one is a zeni? Since they are a company, and want our money, not very.
Your post are only good for a laugh Dyvim. I'm looking forward to you getting more mad that ESO isn't GW2 and then writing walls of text about it.
Also, citation needed on the bolded part of your post. Either that or stop making crap up.
I'm actually interested now @Brennan. Why don't we need an AH other than you saying we don't?
Because every other MMO has an auction house. Unless your interest is in playing Auction House Online (which I have no interest in), then it's okay if there is one that doesn't.
The only argument being made by those who support an Auction House has been and continues to be that every other MMO has one.
This one doesn't - get over it.
Alternatively, you could of course start another dozen threads about it.
No, my argument has always been "I want one so I can sell to a larger audience. "0 -
OzzyNOR✭✭Yes!How many potential costumers can you reach in your guild AH when you want to sell your Sword of Doom? 500...
Now some may say, "oh but you can reach 2500 if you join 5 guilds!". No, you get 500 potential costumers in 5 guilds, not 2500 potential costumers for your Sword of Doom.
So, yeah, some sort of functional AH is needed, but it needs to be restricted somewhat. My idea is trade alliances, compromised of 5-10 guilds(maybe more) that share an AH. The best would be player shops of course, but I don't see Zenimax competent enough to pull that of.Edited by OzzyNOR on May 6, 2014 8:09PM1 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭No!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »They'll put one in, or something just like one. It's just a question of when.
When the game has been thouroughly explored and an auction house is not such a threat to exploration and treasure hunting.
Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
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Brennan✭✭✭No!alphawolph wrote: »More people voted since the last time I looked at this poll, but still the same result: 60% want an Auction House and 39% don't.
Maybe there should have been the option: "I would not mind if there would be an Auction House and Guild Stores side by side." But for now the conclusion is clear: We'd prefer to have an Auction House.methjester wrote: »Poor @Brennan, fallen back to the "it doesn't have it now so it shouldn't have it" argument, which is nothing but fail when talking about MMOs, especially at launch. MMOs change, and continuously introduce new features. Taken as a whole, this game has promise...but there are parts of it that are ridiculously substandard and lackluster. They pull the game down. Trying to claim that the game is perfect, and doesn't need change in some areas, is completely untenable. It's pure stupidity.
The lack of an AH in this game isn't some enlightened design decision...they simply ran out of expertise and resources and couldn't make it happen. That is why we have the half arsed implementation we have now. Period. Only the fanbois are willing to buy into the "oh yeah, this is our design, isn't it brilliant" BS. Its much like the dateless kid sitting at home, rationalizing that he is there by conscious choice, and not because he couldn't get a date. Make no mistake, if they could have pulled it off, they would of...any other explanation is "sweet lemons" at this point.
You have YET to come up with one argument or position that hasn't been easily shredded. Not surprising that the other card you play is the "leave if you don't like it" one. I wonder how popular that one is a zeni? Since they are a company, and want our money, not very.
Your post are only good for a laugh Dyvim. I'm looking forward to you getting more mad that ESO isn't GW2 and then writing walls of text about it.
Also, citation needed on the bolded part of your post. Either that or stop making crap up.
I'm actually interested now @Brennan. Why don't we need an AH other than you saying we don't?
Because every other MMO has an auction house. Unless your interest is in playing Auction House Online (which I have no interest in), then it's okay if there is one that doesn't.
The only argument being made by those who support an Auction House has been and continues to be that every other MMO has one.
This one doesn't - get over it.
Alternatively, you could of course start another dozen threads about it.
No, my argument has always been "I want one so I can sell to a larger audience. "
Why do you need more than 500-2500 + the number of people that can be reached in /zone?
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methjester✭✭✭Yes!
Because every other MMO has an auction house. Unless your interest is in playing Auction House Online (which I have no interest in), then it's okay if there is one that doesn't.
The only argument being made by those who support an Auction House has been and continues to be that every other MMO has one.
This one doesn't - get over it.
Alternatively, you could of course start another dozen threads about it.
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Ummm, every other MMO has raiding, PVP, Monster loot and crafting, are you against those too? I'm thinking you have an irrational dislike of auction houses and perhaps any argument from here on out is pointless.
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OzzyNOR✭✭Yes!
Because every other MMO has an auction house. Unless your interest is in playing Auction House Online (which I have no interest in), then it's okay if there is one that doesn't.
The only argument being made by those who support an Auction House has been and continues to be that every other MMO has one.
This one doesn't - get over it.
Alternatively, you could of course start another dozen threads about it.
If we do get an AH, don't use it! "-get over it."
Seriously, your arguments are VERY weak..1 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!
Because every other MMO has an auction house. Unless your interest is in playing Auction House Online (which I have no interest in), then it's okay if there is one that doesn't.
The only argument being made by those who support an Auction House has been and continues to be that every other MMO has one.
This one doesn't - get over it.
Alternatively, you could of course start another dozen threads about it.
If we do get an AH, don't use it! "-get over it."
Seriously, your arguments are VERY weak..
What argument? I'm not seeing one.
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Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!Why do you need more than 500-2500 + the number of people that can be reached in /zone?
The only thing that is good for a laugh is your inability to formulate a viable argument. All cars have wheels...try selling one that doesn't and see how that works for you. Silly argument is silly. Usually, a feature that EVERY other competitor in your market space has is something that you, too, need to offer. An AH is no different.
Why? Why does anyone need email when you can mail a letter? Why does anyone need a car when you can ride a bike? Convenience, speed, efficiency. Market fundamentals, basic econ, along with all the other common sense basics you seem oblivious to...the more buyers and sellers you bring together, the more efficient your market, the more viable your economy, and the more rational your markets supply/demand/price curves become. Also, in order to have an economy, you need economic activity. This game tries to stifle activity and kill it with horrible interfaces and artificial barriers of segregation. That is the exact opposite of what any rational person would want. The more activity or transactions you have, the more gold is removed from the system in fees. AHs are one of the best gold sinks and anti-inflationary systems an MMO can have. There is a reason they are ubiquitous. There you go, a smorgasbord of arguments, beside MMOs X, Y, and Z all have them. They have them for REASONS. Not just because devs had extra time on their hands.
Also, expecting people to spam zone chat, when there isn't even a trade channel, which would be soooooo 10+ years ago, is beyond stupid. Its like running a business and trying to ignore the internet for advertising or customer communication. This is what happens when you deliver a product with a feature set that is more of a blast from the past then a cutting edge, modern experience. You have customers that rightfully expect better.Edited by Dyvim on May 6, 2014 8:51PMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.1 -
alphawolph✭✭✭Yes!alphawolph wrote: »More people voted since the last time I looked at this poll, but still the same result: 60% want an Auction House and 39% don't.
Maybe there should have been the option: "I would not mind if there would be an Auction House and Guild Stores side by side." But for now the conclusion is clear: We'd prefer to have an Auction House.methjester wrote: »Poor @Brennan, fallen back to the "it doesn't have it now so it shouldn't have it" argument, which is nothing but fail when talking about MMOs, especially at launch. MMOs change, and continuously introduce new features. Taken as a whole, this game has promise...but there are parts of it that are ridiculously substandard and lackluster. They pull the game down. Trying to claim that the game is perfect, and doesn't need change in some areas, is completely untenable. It's pure stupidity.
The lack of an AH in this game isn't some enlightened design decision...they simply ran out of expertise and resources and couldn't make it happen. That is why we have the half arsed implementation we have now. Period. Only the fanbois are willing to buy into the "oh yeah, this is our design, isn't it brilliant" BS. Its much like the dateless kid sitting at home, rationalizing that he is there by conscious choice, and not because he couldn't get a date. Make no mistake, if they could have pulled it off, they would of...any other explanation is "sweet lemons" at this point.
You have YET to come up with one argument or position that hasn't been easily shredded. Not surprising that the other card you play is the "leave if you don't like it" one. I wonder how popular that one is a zeni? Since they are a company, and want our money, not very.
Your post are only good for a laugh Dyvim. I'm looking forward to you getting more mad that ESO isn't GW2 and then writing walls of text about it.
Also, citation needed on the bolded part of your post. Either that or stop making crap up.
I'm actually interested now @Brennan. Why don't we need an AH other than you saying we don't?
Because every other MMO has an auction house. Unless your interest is in playing Auction House Online (which I have no interest in), then it's okay if there is one that doesn't.
The only argument being made by those who support an Auction House has been and continues to be that every other MMO has one.
This one doesn't - get over it.
Alternatively, you could of course start another dozen threads about it.
No, my argument has always been "I want one so I can sell to a larger audience. "
Why do you need more than 500-2500 + the number of people that can be reached in /zone?
Honestly, I limit myself because i refuse to spam zone. Infact I turned zone off within minutes of starting because of the constant scroll of spam.
And, I'm making about 500g a day with my guilds. But i miss knowing my guildies and not trying to make a buck off my "friends". I prefer to help my guildies and make gold off of strangers.
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Brennan✭✭✭No!QQ more guys.
ESO does not have an Auction House. It never has. I read Prior's remarks on the Road Ahead and there is a glaring absence of discussion about a global auction house. Weird.
You poor things... Just can't have what you want.
Oh wait - you can! It's called every other MMO on the market.1 -
alphawolph✭✭✭Yes!QQ more guys.
ESO does not have an Auction House. It never has. I read Prior's remarks on the Road Ahead and there is a glaring absence of discussion about a global auction house. Weird.
You poor things... Just can't have what you want.
Oh wait - you can! It's called every other MMO on the market.
You don't need to be an -snip-, just because you disagree with someone.
Edited by ZOS_SandraF on May 7, 2014 12:17AM1 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!alphawolph wrote: »alphawolph wrote: »More people voted since the last time I looked at this poll, but still the same result: 60% want an Auction House and 39% don't.
Maybe there should have been the option: "I would not mind if there would be an Auction House and Guild Stores side by side." But for now the conclusion is clear: We'd prefer to have an Auction House.methjester wrote: »Poor @Brennan, fallen back to the "it doesn't have it now so it shouldn't have it" argument, which is nothing but fail when talking about MMOs, especially at launch. MMOs change, and continuously introduce new features. Taken as a whole, this game has promise...but there are parts of it that are ridiculously substandard and lackluster. They pull the game down. Trying to claim that the game is perfect, and doesn't need change in some areas, is completely untenable. It's pure stupidity.
The lack of an AH in this game isn't some enlightened design decision...they simply ran out of expertise and resources and couldn't make it happen. That is why we have the half arsed implementation we have now. Period. Only the fanbois are willing to buy into the "oh yeah, this is our design, isn't it brilliant" BS. Its much like the dateless kid sitting at home, rationalizing that he is there by conscious choice, and not because he couldn't get a date. Make no mistake, if they could have pulled it off, they would of...any other explanation is "sweet lemons" at this point.
You have YET to come up with one argument or position that hasn't been easily shredded. Not surprising that the other card you play is the "leave if you don't like it" one. I wonder how popular that one is a zeni? Since they are a company, and want our money, not very.
Your post are only good for a laugh Dyvim. I'm looking forward to you getting more mad that ESO isn't GW2 and then writing walls of text about it.
Also, citation needed on the bolded part of your post. Either that or stop making crap up.
I'm actually interested now @Brennan. Why don't we need an AH other than you saying we don't?
Because every other MMO has an auction house. Unless your interest is in playing Auction House Online (which I have no interest in), then it's okay if there is one that doesn't.
The only argument being made by those who support an Auction House has been and continues to be that every other MMO has one.
This one doesn't - get over it.
Alternatively, you could of course start another dozen threads about it.
No, my argument has always been "I want one so I can sell to a larger audience. "
Why do you need more than 500-2500 + the number of people that can be reached in /zone?
Honestly, I limit myself because i refuse to spam zone. Infact I turned zone off within minutes of starting because of the constant scroll of spam.
And, I'm making about 500g a day with my guilds. But i miss knowing my guldies and not trying to make a buck off my "friends". I prefer to help my guildies and make gold off of strangers.
I've been with the same group of people through a couple of MMO's over the years. I don't feel the need for that in this game. Obviously Zeni is dead set against a global market in favor of smaller ones... darned if I know why though. I've been there, it will get old. Just wait... I don't mind waiting a few months to say, The old methjester was right, this game did need a market. Hardcore fanbois do not make a playerbase alone.0 -
OzzyNOR✭✭Yes!alphawolph wrote: »
Honestly, I limit myself because i refuse to spam zone. Infact I turned zone off within minutes of starting because of the constant scroll of spam.
And, I'm making about 500g a day with my guilds. But i miss knowing my guldies and not trying to make a buck off my "friends". I prefer to help my guildies and make gold off of strangers.
This x1000. It's not really just missing AH and stuff, the 5 guild system in itself is just a very bad idea. I had 1 guildchat enabled in my chatbox, the rest ignored. Trying to keep you with chat in 5 guilds with 500 people in each is just......
Zenimax screwed up so many core game designs it's not even funny0 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!Why do you need more than 500-2500 + the number of people that can be reached in /zone?alphawolph wrote: »QQ more guys.
ESO does not have an Auction House. It never has. I read Prior's remarks on the Road Ahead and there is a glaring absence of discussion about a global auction house. Weird.
You poor things... Just can't have what you want.
Oh wait - you can! It's called every other MMO on the market.
You don't need to be an -snip-, just because you disagree with someone.
It's his go to move. He has nothing left, since he doesn't have a viable argument or leg to stand on...Its not like he can argue market fundamentals, basic econ, product competitive advantage, quality of life features, or anything else that makes sense. He can't even site polls in this forum, as every one destroys his positions further by popular vote.
The best he has is "we don't have one so we shouldn't have one". So much fail.
Edited by ZOS_SandraF on May 7, 2014 12:28AMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.0 -
Brennan✭✭✭No!alphawolph wrote: »QQ more guys.
ESO does not have an Auction House. It never has. I read Prior's remarks on the Road Ahead and there is a glaring absence of discussion about a global auction house. Weird.
You poor things... Just can't have what you want.
Oh wait - you can! It's called every other MMO on the market.
You don't need to be an -snip-, just because you disagree with someone.
Just logged on again. Remarkably enough there is still not an Auction House. Guess it's time for one of you precious little things to start yet another thread about it.
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Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!alphawolph wrote: »QQ more guys.
ESO does not have an Auction House. It never has. I read Prior's remarks on the Road Ahead and there is a glaring absence of discussion about a global auction house. Weird.
You poor things... Just can't have what you want.
Oh wait - you can! It's called every other MMO on the market.
You don't need to be an ass, just because you disagree with someone.
Just logged on again. Remarkably enough there is still not an Auction House. Guess it's time for one of you precious little things to start yet another thread about it.
Im not sure what is more amazing, that you took a break from trolling, or that you can ACTUALLY manage to logon. I sense a new poll in the making.
Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.0