FantasticFreddie wrote: »
The thing about group content, is it requires group effort. [Snip] even if I didn't care about addons (which, largely I don't except for supports) I'd still not bring along someone who refused to ever use them, because that's someone who has decided the abstract concept of "playing the game the way it was meant to be played" is more important than the success of the group. I don't care about half the rules I make for a raid, but they do a good job at weeding out personalities I might find tedious to play with.
Add-ons are not mandatory unless you do endgame content then hodors, odys and a few others are really helpful to have, as for the pvp dodging attacks thing, half the time the people I fight are predictable, I can guess their next move and counter/dodge it. As far as I know miats has been toned down alot (that's the only add on I know of that would have done that) I don't know anyone who uses it tbh.
LittlePinkDot wrote: »Sounds like there's alot of elitist snobbery in PC trial guilds. Glad to know I'm not missing anything.
Are you a telepath? How can you predict moves when you dont even see your enemy? I specified that I saw how people dodged attacks from someone they didn`t even saw, from max distance. Like when they running somewhere without seeing me, I land 2 snipes from stealth and they dodge both of them with perfect timing.
It is logical that if the group's normal trials are meant as training and as a gateway to veteran trials that addons would be mandatory so the players know how to install and use them before going to veteran trails and so they also become accustomed to doing things like coordinating calling horns and colos before stepping in vet. One of the groups that I run with says normal is training for vet, and vet is training for hard mode. I suspect they also tell their players not to be in anonymous mode so they can look at logs and tell them where to improve.
In 4 large trials guilds, with at least 400-500 people in theirs discord channels, the addons I have listed were required to join the trials. One of them even required them for normals. Of course, I can't speak for all trial guilds, but 4 of the largest on a .
I never was a fan of add-ons that are used for online games. I like using what I got.
I know there are dps tracking and/or ranking add-ons and those ones I'm not a fan of (it's a long story why that is and it started in world of warcraft).
I don't understand why lots of guilds require players to use addons though. I don't sign up for those guilds that require them.
Lots of those websites of where to get add-ons are blocked on my internet and computer because of security reasons. Also discord is blocked. I want to keep my computer and account safe so I choose not to install any addons used for in-game when online gaming.
RodneyRegis wrote: »You keep saying this. I've never known a guild or even specific run 'force' anyone to run anything other than hodor and discord. And as said, they can't anyway, just say you have installed it and don't.
But if you then die to the simple mechanic that the addon would have signalled, don't get hissy when they kick you for not running the addon.
The only add-ons I'd consider mandtory are
Literally any UI replacement - base game ui while functional has a ways to go
Awesome Guild Stores - Makes guildstores actually usable vis search and filtering functions
Autocategory - Renders your inventory to not be a mess
anything else is a luxary and/or fluff, not saying don't use them, just saying they aint mandtory
RodneyRegis wrote: »It is always, absolutely always, the person who doesn't want to be 'forced' to play a certain way who wants to force everyone else to adapt to them. Always.
When/if I find myself in a trial, I do what the organiser and leader asks to do. Cause I'm not going to organise / lead one myself, not even a casual one.
I have never used addons that change the UI because I think they are extremely hideous. They teach people not to follow what is happening on the screen, but to react only to text warnings. And some of them I would even compare to cheating. For example, those addons that signal incoming projectiles from the other end of the map, especially in pvp.
But that's not the point right now. When I returned to the game and wanted to join the veteran trials, I was faced with the fact that all (absolutely all!) guilds require the installation and use of these ugly addons. You can have 110-120k dps, all key sets, know mechanics, have achievements for completing certain trials, but without addons, you simply won't be accepted into the group.
How and why is it normal?