PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »The only addon I've seen actually required in trials is hodor's for supports, because it allows the raid lead to manage ultimates better. You can have it running and not display anything on your own screen if you want.
People want those running with them to not die to stupid things, that's why they ask for addons. That said, no one knows what addons you run. If you're so confident you know all the mechs and all the little tells that can be hard to spot then go ahead and run without combat alert addons. If you don't mess up no one will know or care, but if you do then you made your bed and you can lie in it. A lot of addons are configurable to only show what you want/need if your concern is screen clutter rather than a philosphical opposition to addons.
Which addons are you talking about specifically?
Some are simply necessary to log the fights so you can evaluate the group's performance afterwards. Everything else isn't mandatory in all guilds as far as I know.
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »The only addon I've seen actually required in trials is hodor's for supports, because it allows the raid lead to manage ultimates better. You can have it running and not display anything on your own screen if you want.
Hodor, Crutch alerts, Raid notifier, Odly support icons, Untaunted and many more specific addons for each trial. I returned to ESO in late march, since then I was in 4 trial guilds. All of them required most of this addons installed to join trials, and one guild even for normals.
I'm not interested in score pushing, HM`s or trifectas. I don`t die because of mechs (usually), or because I stay in fire/ice whatever circles, so I don`t understand why I must to install all this [snip] to participate in vet trials.
So it IS indeed a philosophical opposition to addons in general. Thanks for the discussion then.
On a sidenote: There is always the possibility to form your own group and set your own rules for it.
CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Adding onto this, it's 100% hyperbole when OP says that ALL groups are requiring addons. That's just not true, and as someone else pointed out, even if it were true it's not like any of these groups recruiting in Craglorn are going to take the time to actually check that you have the addons.
Of course this was an exaggeration. But I didn`t find guild like this on EU megaserver yet. And I'm not talking about random people in Craglorn, that`s exactly how I do all my trials right now. I'm talking about trial guilds, where people do it on regular basis.
Start your own addon-free trial group. There's a handful of people who want to raid without add-ons, just like there's people who don't want to use third party solutions to do voice chat. Make it your selling point.
Sure, sure, or even better - do it solo! Look, if you need addons, or if you like them - be my guest, but I don`t. And I got your point, I`m just going to lie from now on that I do use it all.
About pvp, I don`t know. But I`ve seen many times how people dodge snipe or sorcerer crystals from max distance without any visual clues or even without seeing the enemy, over and over again. But as I said, that`s not the point.
Sure, sure, or even better - do it solo! Look, if you need addons, or if you like them - be my guest, but I don`t. And I got your point, I`m just going to lie from now on that I do use it all.
About pvp, I don`t know. But I`ve seen many times how people dodge snipe or sorcerer crystals from max distance without any visual clues or even without seeing the enemy, over and over again. But as I said, that`s not the point.
VictorDragonslayer wrote: »Deceiving your raid leader and then wiping the group is a great way to be kicked from every raiding community.
If you can perform well without addons, you have logs to back it up, and in that case no sane RL will care how you do it, because you can do it. Something tells that you don't have logs to back up your playstyle.
FantasticFreddie wrote: »Addons make it faster and easier to teach the trials. Of course it's possible without them, but frankly most guilds see no reason to make things take longer and be more frustrating than they need to be, and are they wrong?
Hodor, Crutch alerts, Raid notifier, Odly support icons, Untaunted and many more specific addons for each trial. I returned to ESO in late march, since then I was in 4 trial guilds. All of them required most of this addons installed to join trials, and one guild even for normals.
I'm not interested in score pushing, HM`s or trifectas. I don`t die because of mechs (usually), or because I stay in fire/ice whatever circles, so I don`t understand why I must to install all this [snip] to participate in vet trials.
They teach people not to follow what is happening on the screen, but to react only to text warnings.
I'm not interested in score pushing, HM`s or trifectas. I don`t die because of mechs (usually), or because I stay in fire/ice whatever circles, so I don`t understand why I must to install all this [snip] to participate in vet trials.
In the end, no one is forcing anyone to use any addon. It is a personal choice to run with a guild that requires add-ons because of the immense benefit they provide or they can find another group that fits their desires better. Anyone can form their own raids and make their own rules if they do not like how other's do it.
So it IS indeed a philosophical opposition to addons in general. Thanks for the discussion then.
On a sidenote: There is always the possibility to form your own group and set your own rules for it.
I don`t even know what are you talking about. What logs?
I did all vet trials with pugs from Craglorn, except vHoF (no one doing it), vCR +n and the new one. As healer and dd, some as tank. I didn`t wiped anyone, maybe once or twice in vDSR on a first boss when I took the wrong dome, but it can happen with anyone.
That`s exactly my point, because people do force to use this addons, no matter what.
SeaGtGruff wrote: »
I'm also not interested in addons of any type-- nor mods in the single-player games. I'm all about PVP-- Plain Vanilla Purism. If I play a game, I want to play the game the devs made, not the game as a bunch of addon authors or modders re-envisioned it. But I know that a large percentage of PC players do use addons (and mods in single-player games).
Do I die? Of course! But what's funny about that is, I watch other gamers streaming ESO and they've got a lot of addons that they're using-- but they still die in trials, or dungeons, or PvP. So I don't feel bad about dying without using addons.
And then there are the players on consoles who can't even use addons no matter how much they might want to, and they still seem to manage to beat vet dungeons and trials. /shrug
Guilds and group leaders can set their own rules, as has been said. If you don't like their rules, find another guild or organize your own group. We PVP types might be in the minority, but we're around.
That`s exactly my point, because people do force to use this addons, no matter what.
It's the attitude of demanding to join a group of players while dictating the rules on ones own, I have a problem with.