Lol!

Just read the Velothi mage change. Made the item 100% useless. This balance team man…. Hilariously bad nerf.

i dont understand why 'end gamers' that have already claimed to and done everything in a flawless fashion need to worry about whats coming up next adds to the game for them ! and if it did remove something would that not make content they have already conquered a bit more interesting for them, the thing is like myself i dont care at all about mythics only because they break up my set pieces i dont care about great arena runs in certain armour everyone can use because then for the build armour weapon and skills i chose for a character to spend the majotity of time using i could not do the same with one day with, then the game would be boring also i f a mythic did add a touch of something for not weaving it would definatley peak my interest though as i spend no time practicing or effictively try to weave not becase im lazy or a sub par player just because what i feel personally i do in a group is good enough and this parsing mythic thing sounds to fall in line with what eso said it wanted to do raising dps while not effecting 'end game' players methods

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Shepoffire wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Shepoffire wrote: »

But here we are with oakensoul where you don't need to manage hardly anything and can have as much hp as a tank. Are we not allowed to have fun

Theorycrafting setups around new mythics can be fun. Being forced to farm a mythic and use it is not. Same problem with Oakensoul, only this mythic is hopefully being saved from the “you have to use this mythic or get out” fate using this nerf.

No one's is gonna use it now

People who struggle with weaving in content and those who refuse to weave at all will, that’s the point of the mythic. You’re telling someone who’s been parsing with it and intends to get it as a backup setup for when weaving is hard or painful that no one’s gonna use it. If no one’s gonna use it then it’s me, I’m no one.

I think that's the problem. I don't think that is how ZoS should look at this mythic. We already have a I do not want to weave mythic thats Oakensoul. Frankly at this point it blows this item out of the water. If this mythic is really supposed to be a don't want to weave mythic they should remove LA from it entirely.

I looked at this item as a big boon to mid tier groups. Think of newer players to the raiding scene. Doing their first vet and hard mode clears. They have not yet mastered weaving. They miss maybe half their light attacks but they are trying because they want to master the combat system. So they trade their light attack damage as they miss so many of them to boost their skill damage. Yet they are still light attacking for enchants, item sets, to improve. I do think the skill damage boost is a little high given how low light attack damage is since u35. But you are trading off a good amount of crit or crit damage gained from other mythics.

The initial version was a huge boon to groups that did not have high level supports. However it was too powerful that endgame groups were going to use it every where. I am merely putting out suggestions to hopefully find a home for this mythic. That maybe it can be a niche item like SSC yet still be powerful to those who just haven't yet mastered weaving.

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i dont understand why 'end gamers' that have already claimed to and done everything in a flawless fashion need to worry about whats coming up next adds to the game for them ! and if it did remove something would that not make content they have already conquered a bit more interesting for them, the thing is like myself i dont care at all about mythics only because they break up my set pieces i dont care about great arena runs in certain armour everyone can use because then for the build armour weapon and skills i chose for a character to spend the majotity of time using i could not do the same with one day with, then the game would be boring also i f a mythic did add a touch of something for not weaving it would definatley peak my interest though as i spend no time practicing or effictively try to weave not becase im lazy or a sub par player just because what i feel personally i do in a group is good enough and this parsing mythic thing sounds to fall in line with what eso said it wanted to do raising dps while not effecting 'end game' players methods

So because people have done almost everything the game has to offer they should NOT get an opinion on the future of the game? Your opinion honestly makes no sense. In fact I would argue the opposite. People who have done everything the game has to offer should be giving input on what comes next as they are the ones wondering if there is a reason to stick around.

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no your right opinions there are very important if the whole eso community were taken into consideration when voicing them, all i can see here is how people who have done it all it will effect thier little corner of eso, if for example.. i repeat...i end up in a random dungeon with a fairly new to the game player wearing this new mythic i can see how this would increase the enjoyablility of said dungeon for all in there including the wearer too, looks like it will take alot of pressure from stepping up from normal to veteran dungeons to me

What are you trying to say? I am not quite sure you are reading my comments.... Please go back and read my above post. Ill pull a quote for you.

From my Above post: I looked at this item as a big boon to mid tier groups. Think of newer players to the raiding scene. Doing their first vet and hard mode clears.

That is literally the group I am advocating for. Not myself. But you need to find a balance that it is good for them without making it too powerful for end game. If its too powerful people will min max it. But at the same time right now it seems completely overshadowed by oakensoul.

Gadamlub14_ESO wrote: »

im actually somewhat impressed. usually they wait a few patches or even till the next chapter to Nerf their shiny new OP mythic items into the ground, lol.

Yes. Impressed and relieved. If only this was always the way.

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I’m not a casual, nor am I lazy. I fully intend to work it into endgame setups (though again, primarily as a backup setup for me… I do weave) and I’m convinced I will make it work. Do I parse 120k? No. Should this mythic make a parse 120k? No. Is 120k the baseline for what’s acceptable? No. And honestly, it shouldn’t be “fun for the endgame community”, not when that would mean “get Necrom, farm this mythic, use it, or else you can’t join”.

You're not talking about endgame groups. You're talking about mid-tier goof groups. Endgame groups don't gatekeep because of a mythic lol. As long as you're pulling your weight then you're fine. You all seriously have to stop confusing weird mid-tier groups with actual endgame and claiming their weird toxicity is the norm. Also, the mythic change only hurts newer players, and not the other way around. It doesn't really affect experienced players at all. However, the pen nerf makes it subpar, the addition of Minor Force is of no benefit since its sourced from abilities that won't be dropped, and the 15% flat dmg is mediocre. You'd be giving up another more beneficial mythic to run a big fat 0 considering it also snuffs your LA dmg. It'll be decent in trash, but not always BiS and even that is yet to be determined and isn't looking great from some of the testing already being done.

By all means, if I am wrong I will apologize for my discussions. Because this is fantastic news to me if true. The reason I keep attributing it to endgamers is because I know for a fact that the people involved are endgamers. But group-wise (12man, I know 4man is having this weird gatekeeping but its easy enough to just avoid them) if it's only mid-game then that's good enough for me.

It's just something that's not really gonna do anything for the end gamers. It's not just the damage. No weaving means less ultimate. And oaken you get minor heroism for no reason. Even with the nerfs oaken is still going to out perform and it's not just because of the damage either. My HA Sorc is redic in solo content I had 40k HP and Stam in vet vateshran hallows did a spirit slayer run in like 29 mins and It was like the easiest thing. Clear choice is oaken....

I was talking more about oakensoul gatekeeping. If it’s something truly avoidable I will apologize for stirring things up around here because I just want to avoid endgamers using oakenHA (and in cases, making everyone do oakenHA) while complaining about it. That’s all. Not the point of this thread, but that’s what I was saying.

Edit: I will say that I do see the point people are making now with “but now it’s worse than oakensoul”. I still think the answer is to nerf oakensoul more but I could see that opinion changing… I think you all are on the right track. I enjoy these threads a LOT more than the HA threads, real discussions to be had here. Thank you.