Who do you think you are?

GreySix · May 2014

kccaine wrote: »

... the casuals (1-3 hours, almost daily)...

That would be me, though don't play every day.

Hrithmus · May 2014

With the amount of views and comments on this thread is a little overwhelming. I figured i would be called an idiot and have 40 views and 2 comments.

I was talking about the dungeon finder. Me being a tank i wait no more then like 4 seconds and im in a random party so i have seen alot. I guess maybe it's just some bad apples but i feel bad for the users that get the bulls eye.

Milanna · May 2014

crush83 wrote: »

So what do you suggest? Let me guess. They shouldn't be allowed to kick you from the group? Let me know how you feel about that when you get that trolling free-loader in your group who just runs around looting chests while you try to clear content.

You don't have to join a guild. Find some like-minded gamers. Become friends. Group up with them when you can.

It´s not me having trouble, its the op.

I suggest people should try not to disrupt the looking for group system and keep in mind not every player is as awesome as them

Not everyone can be "pro".

Also, this was not about a trolling free-loader, but about players "not measuring up".

Milanna · May 2014

crush83 wrote: »

LunaRae wrote: »

I think Zeni needs to implement a service more oriented to pro/hardcore players to help separate casual players from hardcore.

The problem is that the casuals grow envious of the hardcore players. They will want to be included in whatever services the hardcore players are accessing, whether they truly qualify for it or not. It's that sense of entitlement thing.

I wasn´t aware of the fact that this game and its features were exclusivley for "hardcore players."

clocksstoppe · May 2014

If i want to filter who i go raiding with, SO BE IT. Who are YOU to say otherwise?

Fairydragon3 · May 2014

daemonios wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

HAPPY BIRHTDAY!

lolwut?

We have a baby newborn tank

, DAWWW Look at his little Taunts

Hrithmus · May 2014

LunaRae wrote: »

My very first MMO was FFXI ... it was such a new concept back then to have a subscription based service where you paid monthly... NONE of my friends were interested, and neither were their parents. I don't recall the options being nearly as vast as they are today. Pre-paid game cards? nope. Multiple online services such as paypal? Nope. The audience in general was extremely small, and in turn I think you were only getting a fraction of the people you are seeing nowadays.

I'm not gonna talk too much about parenting, but suffice to say I think we're seeing a ton of children and younger teens playing games and the people they interact with strongly influences them. I really don't think they're ready to interact with the world just yet when they're still easily influenced by others.

But yea +1 to playing the game you want to - and PS: I am an ESO add-on virgin and PSS: I play first-person, 100% of the time

Same thing for me my first MMO was FFXI. No auto parties, no add-on's, no real entitlement. Maybe im just getting older but the age of MMO's now are nothing like they were back in 1999-2000.

For example the first emperor in this game got some interview for the headline. This shows the younger kids (who don't know better) to spend massive amounts of hours on the game to become the best thus shutting out the weaker ones.

I would bet anything if i went up to that guy in game and asked him to help me in a dungeon, you think he would help me? Or would i just be some peasant. It's all about making that headline.

crush83 · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

So what do you suggest? Let me guess. They shouldn't be allowed to kick you from the group? Let me know how you feel about that when you get that trolling free-loader in your group who just runs around looting chests while you try to clear content.

You don't have to join a guild. Find some like-minded gamers. Become friends. Group up with them when you can.

It´s not me having trouble, its the op.

I suggest people should try not to disrupt the looking for group system and keep in mind not every player is as awesome as them
Not everyone can be "pro".

Also, this was not about a trolling free-loader, but about players "not measuring up".

You seem to continually miss the point.

While this thread might not have been about "trolling free-loaders", any actions you take to try and keep "elitist" players from being elitist jerks and not be able to kick you out of the group will be met with you getting trolled instead.

Yes, not everyone can be a pro. Pro players shouldn't have to be forced to group with non-pro players if they don't want too.

You want to not be told how to play. Yet, you want others to be told how to play. That's what we call a double standard.

If you don't like the way the public dungeon finder works, find a guild or group of friends to play with.

Thechemicals · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

LunaRae wrote: »

I think Zeni needs to implement a service more oriented to pro/hardcore players to help separate casual players from hardcore.

The problem is that the casuals grow envious of the hardcore players. They will want to be included in whatever services the hardcore players are accessing, whether they truly qualify for it or not. It's that sense of entitlement thing.

I wasn´t aware of the fact that this game and its features were exclusivley for "hardcore players."

Everything ingame and in real life has a hardcore mode. You can even be a hardcore burger flipper at burger king and someone is going to envy you and wish they could flip those burgers as hardcore as you can. I believe this is how winners are made. Though winning at this game not as great as winning in real life.

Milanna · May 2014

crush83 wrote: »

You seem to continually miss the point.

While this thread might not have been about "trolling free-loaders", any actions you take to try and keep "elitist" players from being elitist jerks and not be able to kick you out of the guild will be met with you getting trolled instead.

Yes, not everyone can be a pro. Pro players shouldn't have to be forced to group with non-pro players if they don't want too.

You want to not be told how to play. Yet, you want others to be told how to play. That's what we call a double standard.

If you don't like the way the public dungeon finder works, find a guild or group of friends to play with.

Firstly, you are making a straw-man. This still is not about trolling free-loaders. Not relevant. I think YOU are missing the point with about a mile.

Pro? I think that´s amusing. How much do a pro-gamer in ESO make an hour? Round figures.

I think the elitists should find a guild or group of friends to play with. See, two perspectives.

I am not proposing an action to be made. I am proposing for players to acctually be nice to eachother.

Milanna · May 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Everything ingame and in real life has a hardcore mode. You can even be a hardcore burger flipper at burger king and someone is going to envy you and wish they could flip those burgers as hardcore as you can. I believe this is how winners are made. Though winning at this game not as great as winning in real life.

The problem is though, "hardcore badass pro´s" needs to realize that they don´t have special rights, that they acctually need to act civil. I think most do, but there is always the batch of bad apples...

crush83 · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

Firstly, you are making a straw-man. This still is not about trolling free-loaders. Not relevant. I think YOU are missing the point with about a mile.

You're cute. Just because you say something is a "straw-man" doesn't make it so. Please, go ahead and point out how I'm making a straw-man argument. I'll be waiting.

Let me spell this out for you...again since you missed it the first time.

If you don't have the ability to kick players from your group, then you will get trolls who fill your random groups. Hard to grasp, I know.

Milanna wrote: »

Pro? I think that´s amusing. How much do a pro-gamer in ESO make an hour? Round figures.

Oh hi. You know what's amusing? You are the one who mentioned pro gamers. So, you tell me, how much do they make?

Milanna wrote: »

I think the elitists should find a guild or group of friends to play with. See, two perspectives.

They have that option. So do non-elitists. Complaining about how the public grouping tool works doesn't change that.

Milanna wrote: »

I am not proposing an action to be made. I am proposing for players to acctually be nice to eachother.

Good luck with that delusion.

Harkrider · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Everything ingame and in real life has a hardcore mode. You can even be a hardcore burger flipper at burger king and someone is going to envy you and wish they could flip those burgers as hardcore as you can. I believe this is how winners are made. Though winning at this game not as great as winning in real life.

The problem is though, "hardcore badass pro´s" needs to realize that they don´t have special rights, that they acctually need to act civil. I think most do, but there is always the batch of bad apples...

Yes, but the same is said of the non-hardcore players.

Eventually you get the ones who refuse to accept advice or any form of help because 'they will play how they want', and then THEY turn around and expect special treatment when the truth is, nobody has to put up with them.

I agree though, people should just grow up and get along. It's a game, after all.

crush83 · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Everything ingame and in real life has a hardcore mode. You can even be a hardcore burger flipper at burger king and someone is going to envy you and wish they could flip those burgers as hardcore as you can. I believe this is how winners are made. Though winning at this game not as great as winning in real life.

The problem is though, "hardcore badass pro´s" needs to realize that they don´t have special rights, that they acctually need to act civil. I think most do, but there is always the batch of bad apples...

Isn't your whole thing here saying "no one can tell me how I should play."

Yet, here you are, again, stating how everyone else, but you, should have to play.

You are the definition of double standard.

Milanna · May 2014

crush83 wrote: »

You're cute. Just because you say something is a "straw-man" doesn't make it so. Please, go ahead and point out how I'm making a straw-man argument. I'll be waiting.

I am, and I did. Trolling free-loader, remember? I´m sure you can connect the dots.

crush83 wrote: »

Let me spell this out for you...again since you missed it the first time.
If you don't have the ability to kick players from your group, then you will get trolls who fill your random groups. Hard to grasp, I know.

Don´t engage in random groups then. How hard is that?

crush83 wrote: »

Oh hi. You know what's amusing? You are the one who mentioned pro gamers. So, you tell me, how much do they make?

No you did. Below...

crush83 wrote: »

Pro players shouldn't have to be forced to group with non-pro players if they don't want too.

crush83 wrote: »

Good luck with that delusion.

You do realize not every single individual in this game will meet you, right? So it could happen

Hugs and kisses

SuperScrubby · May 2014

I would say that MMO's are different now than they were before. You don't have to be hardcore to be good at games, you just have to be smart. If you're using a build that doesn't synergize or work well in group content than I would say you suck. Your build is just a casualty since you weren't smart enough to synergize your skills and/or traits.

Doesn't make someone elitist if they point out that you suck if you do. Society at least in US has become this giant blob of self gratification and entitlement. A society that everyone gets a trophy and is told they're a winner even if they get crushed. There will always be winners and losers. Maybe you enjoy your crappy build, that's fine you're entitled to it. People are entitled to their own opinions and their own actions. So if people don't want to play with you because you're bad then that's their decision.

Sadly if you're upset that the majority of gamers won't accept your eccentric build then find a small group of people that can. Just don't get butthurt when people blast your build. Just like anywhere the eccentric people that might be on the forefront of something new always have to defend their actions and/or builds. So if you like your build that much and you think it's as competitive as what's currently out there be vocal for it. Don't just cower away and come to the forums to cry.

Milanna · May 2014

Harkrider wrote: »

Yes, but the same is said of the non-hardcore players.

Eventually you get the ones who refuse to accept advice or any form of help because 'they will play how they want', and then THEY turn around and expect special treatment when the truth is, nobody has to put up with them.

I agree though, people should just grow up and get along. It's a game, after all.

Oh, yes, I agree. I´ve met them too.

dawnhawk · May 2014

I don't think it's a question of wanting "special rights" - when I read the "not qualified" - I assumed that what was meant was "unable to work with the mechanics". Now - the mechanics should definitely cater to more than the minority of "elite hardcore" (which honestly I can't say that with a straight face...I'm considered an elite hardcore by many simple because I take the time to research how to make my character largely optimal...that's because I'm a perfectionist and a completionist, not because I want to be the top anything) - but making them cater to whatever hairbrained scheme someone comes up with is largely impractical.

Remember a computer is "as dumb as a box of switches" - the mechanics still have to follow algorithms here. Making them "dumby proof" (not intended as a slur, just a turn of phrase) would make them...well unnecessary, and this wouldn't be much of a game.

I don't choose to play with "just anyone" - it's not a question of "special rights" its a question of "how I enjoy playing the game". I enjoy playing with people I know, who I can have shared experiences with that transcend the 20 minutes we are together in a dungeon. I enjoy team building. And I enjoy "winning" - that adrenaline rush that occurs when you accomplish something you've actually worked towards.

That does not mean I enjoy beating my head against a wall needlessly while compensating for someone who could easily be more viable and for no discernible reason to me decides not to do so making the already existing challenge an uphill battle.

Thus I'm "hardcore elitist". Granted...my compromise on that was I choose not to pug. That way I never feel the need to kick and/or abandon a pug member.

But remember...the more people like me who choose to take that route, means the longer in queue for others who may be waiting for a healer/tank or a pug in general.

You need to either work with people, or have the capabilities to avoid them. I have the capabilities to avoid. I will use them to my utmost advantage.

If you make life miserable for those who want to get in/get out by forcing them to play with people they don't enjoy the game with - those people won't play. Or they will do what I do, and stop pugging all together - thus they will play, but STILL won't play with "you" (generic you (vous not tu) - not anyone specific...I hate the English language some days).

They won't be the ones who lose in this battle.

crush83 · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

I suggest people should try not to disrupt the looking for group system and keep in mind not every player is as awesome as them
Not everyone can be "pro".

Oh, did you forget that you brought "pro" up? Here let me remind you. You're really bad at this.

It's quite comical at this point.

Milanna wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

You're cute. Just because you say something is a "straw-man" doesn't make it so. Please, go ahead and point out how I'm making a straw-man argument. I'll be waiting.

I am, and I did. Trolling free-loader, remember? I´m sure you can connect the dots.

LOL. Hilarious kid. I suggest getting into some critical thinking classes. You're lacking those skills.

Milanna · May 2014

crush83 wrote: »

Yet, here you are, again, stating how everyone else, but you, should have to play.

You are the definition of double standard.

And that is not what I am saying.

I am saying people need to get along.

There is one looking for group system to cater to all players.

Please try to be civil. Please try not to exclude people just for the sake of being "badass hardcore Chuck Norris".

I really don´t see the double standard there.

I do play how I want to, but I do it on my own or with like-minded.

If I join a group, I will play in a fashion that benefits the group. I will not however tolerate being excluded based on "not being badass enough". If that were to happen it would negativley color my experience of group-play. So I can understand the frustration.

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Everything ingame and in real life has a hardcore mode. You can even be a hardcore burger flipper at burger king and someone is going to envy you and wish they could flip those burgers as hardcore as you can. I believe this is how winners are made. Though winning at this game not as great as winning in real life.

The problem is though, "hardcore badass pro´s" needs to realize that they don´t have special rights, that they acctually need to act civil. I think most do, but there is always the batch of bad apples...

Again here the core of the issue we/they don't need to do anything other then of course inhear to the agreements we accepted with the game and acting civil or accepting players in our grps or social circles aint on the list.

And you mention that the elitists player should group or guild together. Just fyi we do but it's the casuals (now that we are using labels) that is upset about not being included or as some even claim have acces to the same content.

Just mentioning this as there are alot of other threads about VR content being to hard for some and as mentioned in this thread mostly the group play. And as a friendly fyi the same content is avalible for everyone and it's not the elitists(labels gain) people fault if you find it hard or can't manage it.

I'¨ll let you in on a little secret behind mmo games if you didn't know and anyone else for that matter. Mmo games is about getting a sense of achivement and continue to have this fealing...aka they release new raids etc etc. If There wasn't content that was hard and the elitist players to strive for to beat first, fastest or whatever you might aswell not make said game.

Why the frick do you think ZOS have leaderboards and will have leaderboards for Craglorn too and reward the best players?

Anyways i'll take your advice (like i wasn't going to anyways) and group/guild with people that are likeminded and i consider skilled. Maybe some people in here should do the same and not complain about elitism?

Milanna · May 2014

crush83 wrote: »

Oh, did you forget that you brought "pro" up? Here let me remind you. You're really bad at this.

It's quite comical at this point.

Yes, sarcasm is hard to convey in text. (Or maybe it´s just hard for some to understand?)
You did continue to talk about pro players though. Hence the question.
Capisce?

crush83 wrote: »

LOL. Hilarious kid. I suggest getting into some critical thinking classes. You're lacking those skills.

I am older than you, but I don´t mind. Being considered a youth is acctually a compliment at my age

And no, not lacking in that department.

crush83 · May 2014

Look, it's simple.

If you don't like the way the group finder works, then make groups without it.

If an elitist player wants to kick you out of their random group because you suck, then that's how they want to play. Let them.

If a casual player wants to kick you out of their random group because you are an elitist prick, and just want to rush through content, then that's how they want to play. Let them.

At the end of the day, if you don't like getting kicked from groups, then make some friends, and group with them. Joining a guild is a good way of making friends.

Crying about the way random groups works is ridiculous.

Would it be nice if everyone was at peace, and treated each other as equals? Sure. The world doesn't work that way.

Nox_Aeterna · May 2014

I think people have a right to ask for intel on your char. Some guilds/groups dont want anything other than the perfect geared/speced players in their parties.

That is their right.

If you want to play with those players , then you need to accommodate their requests , otherwise they can just either kick you or just deny you entry on their party/guild.

With that said , i play on more casual guilds , im not playing to be a top player or to be the first to beat new content. I have more fun in games like this be just chilling and not over worring so much about these things and thus i play in guilds/parties that do the same.

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO · May 2014

Hrithmus wrote: »

You have WAY more Elite players telling other players what they should do or how they should play.

This is not an elite game. The best gamers in the world will not be playing this game competitively, for purse prizes. Nor will this game ever be played competitively for purse prizes.

Ever.

In our entire lifetime.

GreySix · May 2014

"Milanna wrote: »

Pro? I think that´s amusing. How much do a pro-gamer in ESO make an hour? Round figures.

Brilliant!

reggielee · May 2014

using the lfg pug finder to handpick candidates for your small group of elitists is what is wrong, make your group from your guild, friends and contacts list instead of berating random players. other games instituted a timer penalty for kicking people from the group, perhaps its time to do that here

Milanna · May 2014

Sorry OP, this is a lost cause.
Good night everyone, I´m sure most of you are easier to get along with IRL.

neocomab16_ESO · May 2014

Hrithmus wrote: »

I have seen alot of people getting bullied by the Elite users or users with some type of add-on. Either it being DPS or being told to link gear. Who do you guys think you are? I'm paying $14.99 a month for someone to tell me how i should play and how im maybe to weak?

here's another thing. Wanna play with us? Link your gear. Wanna stay alone? Dont link your gear. Guess what, they also pay 15 bucks a month. So if you wanna play with them, you better link your gear or dont even bother asking for an invite at all.

crush83 · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

Yes, sarcasm is hard to convey in text. (Or maybe it´s just hard for some to understand?)
You did continue to talk about pro players though. Hence the question.
Capisce?

Oh now it was sarcasm. Right. It's pretty obvious that you got schooled, and are too proud to simply admit it.

Milanna wrote: »

I am older than you, but I don´t mind. Being considered a youth is acctually a compliment at my age
And no, not lacking in that department.

I call you a kid because you act like one. You can't seem to comprehend simple arguments. You have the memory of a goldfish. You cling to double standards. You can't seem to respect that not everyone wants to play like you.