When doing a search in the general forums, "new class" shows 11 785 results while "spellcrafting" gets 2267 and "spell crafting" gets 3241 results (5508 total).
This is not a perfect way to measure how popular one idea is of course. However, with more than twice the amount of discussions going on about spellcrafting, I think it would be naive to think that new classes can’t be as or more popular than spellcrafting.
When doing a search in the general forums, "new class" shows 11 785 results while "spellcrafting" gets 2267 and "spell crafting" gets 3241 results (5508 total).
This is not a perfect way to measure how popular one idea is of course. However, with more than twice the amount of discussions going on about spellcrafting, I think it would be naive to think that new classes can’t be as or more popular than spellcrafting.
The_Titan_Tim wrote: »Are you sure? Because from the presentation it looks like we’ll be RPing a tentacle monster.
I didn't care for spell crafting or a new class. I wanted something new for all my existing characters. Something that'd give value to everything I own and ZOS could've picked the low hanging fruit that was another staff weapon or a 1 hand and rune where the rune is just a number of fancy special effects so they're not having to make a ton of new motif styles.
A new weapon skill line of some sort would've given players immense value, but instead... a new class. A class I might roll on a character to "get my money's worth" and then promptly never play it as I stick to my main. I don't like alts, I don't want to level a new character up, and I have no desire to learn a new class.
I didn't care for spell crafting or a new class. I wanted something new for all my existing characters. Something that'd give value to everything I own and ZOS could've picked the low hanging fruit that was another staff weapon or a 1 hand and rune where the rune is just a number of fancy special effects so they're not having to make a ton of new motif styles.
A new weapon skill line of some sort would've given players immense value, but instead... a new class. A class I might roll on a character to "get my money's worth" and then promptly never play it as I stick to my main. I don't like alts, I don't want to level a new character up, and I have no desire to learn a new class.
spellcrafting was exactly that. a system to use on your current existing characters rather than making new characters.
The_Titan_Tim wrote: »Locking skill lines behind new classes this late into the game, when people are fully established on their current characters, does nothing for player retention.
Sure we might get some new players that want to try out ESO and see the class and figure that this is their year, but what are we, the already established playerbase losing?
Generally speaking, everyone has a favorite class, when a new one comes out, it’s going to be trendy and everyone will test it out for a few months but after the hype dies down, around 1/7th of the active playerbase will remain with it, and the other 6/7th will be completely devoid of new content.
It’s happened with Warden.
It’s happened with Necromancer.
It will happen with Arcanist.
New skill lines benefit everyone. I’ve said it a million times, we need more active skills.
Nah. Most requested feature is a new weapon for Casters, other than Staffs.The_Titan_Tim wrote: »Just watched the ESO segment of the Developer Direct…
I might be crazy, but I’m pretty sure the most requested feature is and will remain Spellcrafting …
Everywhere you look everyone is shouting from the rooftops for Spellcrafting, and instead we get three new skill lines that will be locked out from 6/7ths of the active playerbase at any given moment. Would much rather have had the three skill lines unbound.
Not the play, ZOS.
A new class was the play. It's the safest, and easiest, route the devs could go to appease players.
Stinkyremy wrote: »TinyDragon wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »
I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.
I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back
It is not though is it.
I have been coming to this forum for years, as well as other forums and other online places reddit for eg and only here and only relatively recently have I heard (seen) people spamming about spell crafting.
Not once in game have i ever heard anyone ask for spell crafting.
I have heard people complain about the lack of difficulty, the lack of class options, pissed off about 1T ruining the in game challenge and longing for the days of old when dark anchors were the greatest and challenging content in the game. I remember people complaining about no crime system, or no thieve and DB guilds, I constantly hear PVP players complain about the lack of fresh content, but only here, on this forum and only within a short period of time, do you hear people complain about the lack of spell crafting.
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-spellcrafting-guidehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwN01Z5vSc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_Ei0VOJU4
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/105yhyk/zos_presentation_on_eso_spellcrafting_from_2014/
Quick google search. All from January. Content creators make content that people will watch. Spellcrafting is wanted by a large portion of players.
I keep reading that players most requested feature was spell crafting but to be honest, I very seldom read on the forums that request. I think it just got hyped up by all the recent speculation that everyone thought that was it.
I’ve read more on here about getting a new class than anything. Players expected it when companions came and didn’t get it. Players expected it when ToT came and didn’t get it.
I absolutely think this was 100% the play for ZoS. The game was getting stale and needed something to bring players back. Companions and card games just wasn’t it.
More so, we are getting a bunch of other cool things with the chapter.
When doing a search in the general forums, "new class" shows 11 785 results while "spellcrafting" gets 2267 and "spell crafting" gets 3241 results (5508 total).
This is not a perfect way to measure how popular one idea is of course. However, with more than twice the amount of discussions going on about spellcrafting, I think it would be naive to think that new classes can’t be as or more popular than spellcrafting.
New companions added to the system, that after 2yrs recieve no update, still the same soulless grind wit no RP. Yeah, thanks, but no thanks. Maybe next year, if they do some improvements and revert templar changes, but I doubt that.
Seraphayel wrote: »The_Titan_Tim wrote: »Just watched the ESO segment of the Developer Direct…
I might be crazy, but I’m pretty sure the most requested feature is and will remain Spellcrafting …
Everywhere you look everyone is shouting from the rooftops for Spellcrafting, and instead we get three new skill lines that will be locked out from 6/7ths of the active playerbase at any given moment. Would much rather have had the three skill lines unbound.
Not the play, ZOS.
They have shot it down multiple times over the years, so even if it's highly requested, I wasn't realistically expecting them to go with that. Even if they will some time in the future I do think it will be a very limited and watered-down version of what players envision, because of balancing issues.
Imagine having a fully fleshed out Spellcrafting system in your drawer, but instead coming up with something like an endless dungeon nobody asked for. I mean… tone deaf, if we’re generous and ignorant, if we’re honest.
Seraphayel wrote: »When doing a search in the general forums, "new class" shows 11 785 results while "spellcrafting" gets 2267 and "spell crafting" gets 3241 results (5508 total).
This is not a perfect way to measure how popular one idea is of course. However, with more than twice the amount of discussions going on about spellcrafting, I think it would be naive to think that new classes can’t be as or more popular than spellcrafting.
That search is pointless. New class is a very unspecified term to search for or create a topic about, Spellcrafting is super specific.
Just look in the feedback thread for Arcanist already, the reception is mild at best and ZOS is chiming into the discussion and defending their decision to introduce this new class - it’s funny how they are already in defensive mode just minutes after the announcement and tell off people that dislike the class or it’s concept.
Stinkyremy wrote: »TinyDragon wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »
I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.
I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back
It is not though is it.
I have been coming to this forum for years, as well as other forums and other online places reddit for eg and only here and only relatively recently have I heard (seen) people spamming about spell crafting.
Not once in game have i ever heard anyone ask for spell crafting.
I have heard people complain about the lack of difficulty, the lack of class options, pissed off about 1T ruining the in game challenge and longing for the days of old when dark anchors were the greatest and challenging content in the game. I remember people complaining about no crime system, or no thieve and DB guilds, I constantly hear PVP players complain about the lack of fresh content, but only here, on this forum and only within a short period of time, do you hear people complain about the lack of spell crafting.
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-spellcrafting-guidehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwN01Z5vSc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_Ei0VOJU4
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/105yhyk/zos_presentation_on_eso_spellcrafting_from_2014/
Quick google search. All from January. Content creators make content that people will watch. Spellcrafting is wanted by a large portion of players.
You know, I don't remember seeing many people here asking about spellcrafting until after those videos went up. What I have been seeing for several years are a lot of threads and comments saying "why are we getting x instead of new classes ".
Stinkyremy wrote: »TinyDragon wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »
I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.
I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back
It is not though is it.
I have been coming to this forum for years, as well as other forums and other online places reddit for eg and only here and only relatively recently have I heard (seen) people spamming about spell crafting.
Not once in game have i ever heard anyone ask for spell crafting.
I have heard people complain about the lack of difficulty, the lack of class options, pissed off about 1T ruining the in game challenge and longing for the days of old when dark anchors were the greatest and challenging content in the game. I remember people complaining about no crime system, or no thieve and DB guilds, I constantly hear PVP players complain about the lack of fresh content, but only here, on this forum and only within a short period of time, do you hear people complain about the lack of spell crafting.
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-spellcrafting-guidehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwN01Z5vSc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_Ei0VOJU4
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/105yhyk/zos_presentation_on_eso_spellcrafting_from_2014/
Quick google search. All from January. Content creators make content that people will watch. Spellcrafting is wanted by a large portion of players.
You know, I don't remember seeing many people here asking about spellcrafting until after those videos went up. What I have been seeing for several years are a lot of threads and comments saying "why are we getting x instead of new classes ".
And those content creators have no idea what most players want. Granted, we all want anything and everything so it is safe to say we want a new class, a new weapon line, and spell crafting, but pointing out that content creators are talking about something does not mean anything.