Clicked no and then realised I’d be fine if you could trade them within a group. To cover if it’s a dungeon lead and you are doing it together but wouldn’t like them to be boe and be sellable.

I see no harm in making them tradable, more so since most of them are just cosmetic, other then Mythic parts. I can see why they'd want them bound, though. Perhaps you would need to find something yourself first (or the set of leads) and get the item yourself first, and then past that point you're allowed to trade the leads. Would bring a little economy to them too, perhaps, and allow some playera to save time with the grind. Keeping it to only leads and not the item itself would also maintain the restriction of needing to own the content to follow up on the lead, otherwise you could get, say, High Isle antiques without actually owning High Isle.

I mean realistically, what harm is trading a lead for that lava egg you've 50 of already?

I also would like for all the things that come with the antiquity skill, including mythic items (or copies of them), to be tradable in the guild stores.

Needed an "Other" option. I wouldn't care either way. I'd give away some leads I haven't a use for, since right now I don't scry/dig those unless leveling antiquities on an alt - but I wouldn't bother with selling them or hawking them in zone chat.

Sarannah wrote: »

No, leads should not be tradable. As I feel players should actually play the game to get the things they want, including mythics. But leads shouldn't be too grindy to get either.

PS: Can already see the chat filled with: "Selling full mythic leads, only xxk gold!" Should not happen, ever!

Yes. But... on the other hand I don't think that mythic leads should be inaccessible either. And some of them kinda are dropping in places that many players won't ever do - like group arenas & trials.

I guess it would be all fine if we had multiple sources for every mythic. This would kinda stop the "boss camping" or "node camping" phenomenon we have when there is a new mythic introduced. Players imho should help each other, but the way many leads are designed makes it the total opposite & creates very toxic situations.

I just wish they'd let us sell the items to merchants.

Absolutely not. Having to chase down leads yourself is actually good for the game. If they become tradable, then the whole process becomes trivialized as players just BUY leads from players rather than having to put in the effort themselves. Eat your vegetables, you may not like them, but they are good for you.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I get them all the time and my highest scrying is like 4, I can't get myself to level this skill line its so boring! I have a bunch of Epic and Legendary leads collected then expires in my play time as I'll never reach the skill to actually put them to use.

That is the reason why they shouldn't be tradable. Players get leads all the time that they themselves don't want or need. Selling them would completely trivialize the point of Antiquities; making players revisit old zones and reuse content.

Sarannah wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Yes. But... on the other hand I don't think that mythic leads should be inaccessible either. And some of them kinda are dropping in places that many players won't ever do - like group arenas & trials.

I guess it would be all fine if we had multiple sources for every mythic. This would kinda stop the "boss camping" or "node camping" phenomenon we have when there is a new mythic introduced. Players imho should help each other, but the way many leads are designed makes it the total opposite & creates very toxic situations.

Agreed, all leads should be in easily accessible places! And in multiple spots gameplay-wise, so players can receive leads from any content they enjoy doing.

I kinda disagree. There seems to be this thought that Mythic items should be readily available to players at any skill level; that players should be given Mythics like they are due OP items cause they own the DLC.

IMO, it's already too easy to get Mythics. Players farm WBs and even 1 poke gives that player a chance at a lead. Low level players just have to run in, stab, and they can get a lead easy! It trivializes the process because it becomes a waiting game and less of a skill game. Percentage of participation should play a MUCH higher role in drop rates (DPS numbers, non-overHealing percentages, total fight length vs taunted time, total damage taken)

More Mythics need to be ultimately guarded behind higher level content (like veteran/HM dungeon bosses, arena's, trials, and BGs). Hide leads behind difficult content or content that players might not want to do (like fishing or pvp), but make the drop rates higher so players sample the content, then can move on. Players are only annoyed because they don't want to do the content, but that doesn't mean the game shouldn't incentive them into trying it.

Maybe if you could win leads from other players in duels that would be a new spin, and make duels a bit useful. Or maybe be awarded them in PVP battles. In real life if someone had a treasure map it could be stolen.

It should be like dungeon set loot, just within the people that were there. Nothing more demoralizing than doing the dungeon for the 20th time with a group of friends and all of them have received the lead for the 2nd or 3rd time (if they have already scryed it). I do NOT think they should be sellable or guaranteed in any form (to prevent selling of drops).

As someone with only 6 leads left to farm, I think this whole process has been terribly UNfun.

NettleCarrier wrote: »

It should be like dungeon set loot, just within the people that were there. Nothing more demoralizing than doing the dungeon for the 20th time with a group of friends and all of them have received the lead for the 2nd or 3rd time (if they have already scryed it). I do NOT think they should be sellable or guaranteed in any form (to prevent selling of drops).

As someone with only 6 leads left to farm, I think this whole process has been terribly UNfun.

When you can start a dungeon that drops a lead with zero sets collected from it and finish collecting ALL of the sets that drop there without trading for peices before you get a lead drop, then you Know there is a drop rate issue.

i would gladly pay for those leads that doesn't seem to drop for me (Lancers, deadlands mythic pieces, leads found in trials)

Ingenon wrote: »

For several of the furnishing leads, I am letting the leads expire because every house that is big enough to hold them has one or more of them already. Why not let me trade them to someone else who still wants them?

So the game should mirror real life more? If you have enough money, you never have to leave your home or do any content; just purchase it from other players for cold hard cash? Someone can spend all day flipping items on the market for millions of gold, then completely skip collecting leads by just purchasing them? This is a game, the game should incentivize players to play it, not give them more avenues to skip to the end by paying money and selling crowns.

redspecter23 wrote: »

I think I'm fine with this idea, at least in theory and if we assume a few things. The issue would be convincing ZOS and getting around the monetization reasons that some leads are the way they are.

For instance, if leads were tradable, players without access to certain DLC could get access to those leads. While this is player friendly, it cuts into monetization, especially for new DLC so that issue would need to be addressed in order to get ZOS on board.

Secondly, we assume drop rates on leads are static. So that your first copy of a lead might have a 5% drop chance and so would the second, third, etc. What if that's not the case? What if your first copy of a lead is a 5% drop rate, but your second copy is maybe only 3% drop rate by design? Allowing trading might let you bypass an intentional system put in place to make extra copies harder to acquire.

Also, ZOS chooses their drop rates based on the fact that these are bind on pickup. If they were tradable, we might start seeing leads that are extremely hard to get with the intention that many players would buy them from others rather than farm themselves.

Long story short, I would personally like the idea, but sometimes there are other factors that we either can't immediately see or even agree with that are still factors.

well technically speaking, the leads themselves are already outside of the DLC (case in point: there are 2 new leads from firesong dlc that are in base game dungeons wayrest 1 and 2, but you have to dig it up IN galen itself, so literally anyone in the game has access to these leads already, but you sitll have to pay for greymoor (to access antiquities) and own firesong dlc to dig up a lead in galen)

redspecter23 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I think I'm fine with this idea, at least in theory and if we assume a few things. The issue would be convincing ZOS and getting around the monetization reasons that some leads are the way they are.

For instance, if leads were tradable, players without access to certain DLC could get access to those leads. While this is player friendly, it cuts into monetization, especially for new DLC so that issue would need to be addressed in order to get ZOS on board.

Secondly, we assume drop rates on leads are static. So that your first copy of a lead might have a 5% drop chance and so would the second, third, etc. What if that's not the case? What if your first copy of a lead is a 5% drop rate, but your second copy is maybe only 3% drop rate by design? Allowing trading might let you bypass an intentional system put in place to make extra copies harder to acquire.

Also, ZOS chooses their drop rates based on the fact that these are bind on pickup. If they were tradable, we might start seeing leads that are extremely hard to get with the intention that many players would buy them from others rather than farm themselves.

Long story short, I would personally like the idea, but sometimes there are other factors that we either can't immediately see or even agree with that are still factors.

well technically speaking, the leads themselves are already outside of the DLC (case in point: there are 2 new leads from firesong dlc that are in base game dungeons wayrest 1 and 2, but you have to dig it up IN galen itself, so literally anyone in the game has access to these leads already, but you sitll have to pay for greymoor (to access antiquities) and own firesong dlc to dig up a lead in galen)

Good point. With most of the new ones, you get the lead wherever, but then dig it up in the new zone. It could still in theory save that player from needing to own the DLC the lead drops in, but they do need to have access to the new zone to do the digging. For instance, Firsong has a lead that drops on Shipwright's Regret. You need access to two different DLC packs for that one lead.

that is also a good point, needing to own multiple dlcs in order to even use the lead

• greymoor (at a base, which has antiquity system)
• the dlc the lead comes from (if applicable) (examples are lair of maarselok dungeon (which has a lead for a high isle mythic) and shipwright for a firesong mythic)
• the dlc where the lead itself is dug up (if applicable)