Myrddin1357 wrote: »

DKs are so broken that there is no way to avoid this bug if you play DK at all. My group did vDOM HM on DKs to see what all the fuss was about. Using standard just almost immediately tripled our normal dps numbers.

We decided to simply stop using the DK ultimate halfway through. Our damage numbers did go back to what we normally see. But my DK took almost no damage from any of the mechanics.

This is such a serious bug that I'm surprised there isn't a lot more discussion about this on the forums.

It is being discussed, just not on the official forum.

The nature of the discussion makes the official forum ill suited for it.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I thought mentioning a bug exploit and explaining it in enough detail for players to go duplicate it was seriously frowned upon, as in, considered ban-worthy bad?

Logging onto a DK and using your ultimate even once at any point is what we are talking about here as the 'exploit'. I g

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Myrddin1357 wrote: »

DKs are so broken that there is no way to avoid this bug if you play DK at all. My group did vDOM HM on DKs to see what all the fuss was about. Using standard just almost immediately tripled our normal dps numbers.

We decided to simply stop using the DK ultimate halfway through. Our damage numbers did go back to what we normally see. But my DK took almost no damage from any of the mechanics.

This is such a serious bug that I'm surprised there isn't a lot more discussion about this on the forums.

It is being discussed, just not on the official forum.

The nature of the discussion makes the official forum ill suited for it.

I didn't correctly phrase what I meant to say. We don't need a discussion among the players about this on the forums. I would have liked ZOS to send out a communication to give some notification or guidance. Even some clarification on what is ok. Are DKs not supposed to play at all while they fix it? Or should they just remove that one skill from your bars? Or play normally?Official silence on this doesn't seem like the best approach.

After my experience with vDOM, I don't want to use my DK for any remotely challenging content. I'd definitely appreciate some notice on what the solution or timeline to this issue is. The issue is so basic that it is not like trying to keep it a secret is going to reduce the frequency of the issue occurring. This 'exploit' (if we want to call it that) happens whether or not someone has knowledge of it. In fact, the only way to avoid it is to have detailed knowledge of it.

Myrddin1357 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I thought mentioning a bug exploit and explaining it in enough detail for players to go duplicate it was seriously frowned upon, as in, considered ban-worthy bad?

Logging onto a DK and using your ultimate even once at any point is what we are talking about here as the 'exploit'. I g

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Myrddin1357 wrote: »

DKs are so broken that there is no way to avoid this bug if you play DK at all. My group did vDOM HM on DKs to see what all the fuss was about. Using standard just almost immediately tripled our normal dps numbers.

We decided to simply stop using the DK ultimate halfway through. Our damage numbers did go back to what we normally see. But my DK took almost no damage from any of the mechanics.

This is such a serious bug that I'm surprised there isn't a lot more discussion about this on the forums.

It is being discussed, just not on the official forum.

The nature of the discussion makes the official forum ill suited for it.

I didn't correctly phrase what I meant to say. We don't need a discussion among the players about this on the forums. I would have liked ZOS to send out a communication to give some notification or guidance. Even some clarification on what is ok. Are DKs not supposed to play at all while they fix it? Or should they just remove that one skill from your bars? Or play normally?Official silence on this doesn't seem like the best approach.

After my experience with vDOM, I don't want to use my DK for any remotely challenging content. I'd definitely appreciate some notice on what the solution or timeline to this issue is. The issue is so basic that it is not like trying to keep it a secret is going to reduce the frequency of the issue occurring. This 'exploit' (if we want to call it that) happens whether or not someone has knowledge of it. In fact, the only way to avoid it is to have detailed knowledge of it.

I agree that, if this wasn't quietly fixed in today's hotfix, there should be some kind of official acknowledgement and guideline because as you point out, it is very likely that it will happen to people while playing normally, regardless of whether they are aware or not; extreme outliers would have to be actively pursued but small to moderate boosts to dps, one would have to play the class in a very unusual manner for this not to occur 'naturally'.

Unbelievable that there are so many who like this type of broken mechanism. There have been multiple broken mechanics that are often fully exploited till the ban hammer comes down. Not knowing it is an exploit is the most pathetic excuse ever.

What I can't figure out is how all this happened. There were a few bugs after u35 but not of this scale and almost every class was adjusted. From what I recall dk wasn't touched and cyro had a minor adjustment with emperor, how did this turn into crashes and massive game breaking bugs..?

Every update they break more of the game than they fix, its a sad reflection on what used to be a good game

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

Unpopular opinion, players shouldn't be punished for playing the game that is provided. There is something to be said for the quality control and testing that is clearly lacking, which is out of the players control.
If there are indeed "game breaking" bugs, the fault lies solely with those who allowed the product to hit the shelves.

They’re not punished for playing the game provided. They’re punished for violating the Code of Conduct, which requires players to report exploits and not to take advantage of them. All players have explicitly agreed to do so as a condition of being permitted to play the game. Bugs don’t give players a free pass to ignore that agreement. (And players also agreed to stop playing if they no longer agree to the ToS/CoC.)

Obviously any team that goes out and clears trifecta or any content with this bug won't only be laughed at by the entire end game community. They will also receive roll back on characters as well as suspensions depending on the severity that they are exploiting . From my experience the people that choose fancy around tend to find out. Let's just say I have a few old pvp players on my friends list that didn't log in for 39 months for experimenting with a very similar exploit.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I thought mentioning a bug exploit and explaining it in enough detail for players to go duplicate it was seriously frowned upon, as in, considered ban-worthy bad?

There's nothing to really explain, using the class as intended, OP just mentioned the obvious that stacking them for trials is broken right now.

Imagine the poor prog team that's been working for weeks on HM or trifecta then they legitimately beat it on Nov 1. Their achievements will forever be viewed as sus whenever they link them.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can the team give at least some direction on whether players who play this class prior to the patch and continue to play this patch if they will be banned for using a class not intentionally trying to exploit as in the past ban's were handed out to players who were accused of using the exploit even though they were not intentionally and just want to play the game? This is a huge concern for raid groups that arent trying to use the damage exploit and are just trying to play the game? What actions are being taken by ZoS (since this bug was reported in PTS and still went live) to ensure players are safeguarded from being banned by no fault of their own other than choosing to play the game on a character that currently has a bug that others are actively choosing to exploit?

Matherios wrote: »

Csleia wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, just wanted to let you know we are aware of this issue and have been working on a fix, which we hope to roll out soon. We'll have more details later today.

what are you going to do about the hundreds of players who knowingly used this unavoidable exploit to get dozens of godslayers, dawbringers, planesbreakers, and swashbucklers last night and all day today?

Who did all those lol

idk, but if you cant get a trifecta with this bug then thats even more sad