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Is not subbing to eso+ the only way to avoid dlc random dungeons?
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Ingenon✭✭✭✭✭
✭My work around for this non-dlc random dungeon issue as an ESO+ player was to use some crowns to unlock several character slots. These baby alts are each under level 45 so they only get normal base game dungeons when I queue for a random. Once they reach level 45, I delete them, and make a new baby alt using the character slot. A bonus for me, since I'm not into PvP, is that the baby alts are an easy way to get event tickets during Whitestrake's Mayhem, and endeavor seals when a specific Cyrodiil daily is required.Edited by Ingenon on September 15, 2022 2:13PM0 -
PrimusTiberius✭✭✭✭Why avoid them? When going in on normal, they're not hard, most of the hard mechanics can be ignored and low level Characters can get through them. Avoiding these dungeons means you're just missing out on content and sets.Everyone is going in one direction, I'm going the other direction5 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Memory_In_Motion wrote: »MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »Techwolf_Lupindo wrote: »ZOS_Suserial wrote: »Hi, you can go into the Dungeon Finder then go into the drop down list. Select Specific Dungeons and join the queue for those Dungeons only.
Dungeon Finder > Specific Dungeons > Selection List > Join Queue
I know its not perfect but that's a way to know which ones you are trying to get into, I hope that helps some.
[snip] Notice it said "random dungeons". The quote above does NOT work for random dungeons.
[Edited for Bashing]
Well…it’s not a random dungeon if you are selectively omitting the randomized pool, is it? Probably shouldn’t get the random daily dungeon reward if you aren’t doing a random daily dungeon, ya know?
except those without subbing eso+ get to do a random daily without dlc dungeons as an option but those who pat for eso+ don't get that option? clearly people who pay monthly shouldnt be penalized
They aren't being penalized because they get to do content they paid for, while people who didn't pay for it don't get to do it.
The GF makes it so that people who paid for dungeon actually get to run it
regardless of who they know. A paid product should obviously be functional to all who bought it. That's more important than letting someone who paid for it but doesn't like it get bonus rewards for NOT participating in a piece of content.Edited by spartaxoxo on September 15, 2022 2:55PM7 -
Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭PrimusTiberius wrote: »Why avoid them? When going in on normal, they're not hard, most of the hard mechanics can be ignored and low level Characters can get through them. Avoiding these dungeons means you're just missing out on content and sets.
please read op. thank you.
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deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »If there were separate random DLC and random non-DLC queues, no one would ever queue for DLC. Which means the people who want to do specific DLC dungeons (for gear, for skill points, for leads, just cuz they like dungeon) would never get a fill. The only way to do a DLC dungeon would be a premade 4-person group.
Are normal DLC dungeons a little longer and harder? Yes, but that is why you get the 100k XP and 10 transmute. That is not a glorified login reward. It is a reward for helping other players get fills for content that can be hard to fill.
I would ONLY queue for DLC as the non dlc dungeons are a waste of my time and not interesting at all. But again you can always manually queue for anything you choose. If you want the "random" reward be ready for "random" dungeon!Edited by deleted221205-002626 on September 15, 2022 4:54PM4 -
deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭You could also make friends with someone who owns no dlc and isnt eso+ and group with them.. Then you will never get any dlc dungeons.1
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PrincessOfThieves✭✭✭✭✭
✭This topic is quite alarming. When DLC dungeons are to hard, not fun, whatever....the game has a problem.
They are fun, but they're just significantly longer and people who just want quick transmutes are impatient.
I think the idea of separating dlc/nondlc queues is great.
Perhaps with better rewards for dlcs to compensate for time investment.
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Memory_In_Motion wrote: »MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »Techwolf_Lupindo wrote: »ZOS_Suserial wrote: »Hi, you can go into the Dungeon Finder then go into the drop down list. Select Specific Dungeons and join the queue for those Dungeons only.
Dungeon Finder > Specific Dungeons > Selection List > Join Queue
I know its not perfect but that's a way to know which ones you are trying to get into, I hope that helps some.
[snip] Notice it said "random dungeons". The quote above does NOT work for random dungeons.
[Edited for Bashing]
Well…it’s not a random dungeon if you are selectively omitting the randomized pool, is it? Probably shouldn’t get the random daily dungeon reward if you aren’t doing a random daily dungeon, ya know?
except those without subbing eso+ get to do a random daily without dlc dungeons as an option but those who pat for eso+ don't get that option? clearly people who pay monthly shouldnt be penalized
They are not penalized. They get all those other dungeons to choose from.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭Memory_In_Motion wrote: »MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »Techwolf_Lupindo wrote: »ZOS_Suserial wrote: »Hi, you can go into the Dungeon Finder then go into the drop down list. Select Specific Dungeons and join the queue for those Dungeons only.
Dungeon Finder > Specific Dungeons > Selection List > Join Queue
I know its not perfect but that's a way to know which ones you are trying to get into, I hope that helps some.
[snip] Notice it said "random dungeons". The quote above does NOT work for random dungeons.
[Edited for Bashing]
Well…it’s not a random dungeon if you are selectively omitting the randomized pool, is it? Probably shouldn’t get the random daily dungeon reward if you aren’t doing a random daily dungeon, ya know?
except those without subbing eso+ get to do a random daily without dlc dungeons as an option but those who pat for eso+ don't get that option? clearly people who pay monthly shouldnt be penalized
They are not penalized. They get all those other dungeons to choose from.
seems like a penalty to me. My dd are too squishy for many dlc dungeons. I just want daily bonus for random and move on. It seems like a penalty to me for subbing eso+ because if i dont sub i don't have to embarass myself in them, and watch people quit.1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Memory_In_Motion wrote: »Memory_In_Motion wrote: »MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »Techwolf_Lupindo wrote: »ZOS_Suserial wrote: »Hi, you can go into the Dungeon Finder then go into the drop down list. Select Specific Dungeons and join the queue for those Dungeons only.
Dungeon Finder > Specific Dungeons > Selection List > Join Queue
I know its not perfect but that's a way to know which ones you are trying to get into, I hope that helps some.
[snip] Notice it said "random dungeons". The quote above does NOT work for random dungeons.
[Edited for Bashing]
Well…it’s not a random dungeon if you are selectively omitting the randomized pool, is it? Probably shouldn’t get the random daily dungeon reward if you aren’t doing a random daily dungeon, ya know?
except those without subbing eso+ get to do a random daily without dlc dungeons as an option but those who pat for eso+ don't get that option? clearly people who pay monthly shouldnt be penalized
They are not penalized. They get all those other dungeons to choose from.
seems like a penalty to me. My dd are too squishy for many dlc dungeons. I just want daily bonus for random and move on. It seems like a penalty to me for subbing eso+ because if i dont sub i don't have to embarass myself in them, and watch people quit.
The daily bonus is for helping your fellow players with every dungeon you own though. If you look at it that way, it will make it feel less like a penalty. The reward is for helping with something they need instead of what you want to play, so ofc you don't get it if you're not willing to help where your needed.
You could try changing up your build a bit if you're struggling with them. Will make the dungeons feel a lot better. Who knows, maybe you'll even like them.Edited by spartaxoxo on September 15, 2022 9:47PM3 -
Kaysha✭✭✭✭Fact is: you level faster without eso +
And that‘s a problem.
There should be certain cp trashholds to unlock the harder dungeons. Queueing for them with lvl 45 doesn‘t make sense.1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fact is: you level faster without eso +
And that‘s a problem.
ESO+ offers a exp bonus. So stuff like Skyreach while having that bonus levels you faster than not having plus. So that's not really a fact.
The main difference is the transmute rewardEdited by spartaxoxo on September 16, 2022 9:10PM2 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The problem is actually that non subscribers can exclude DLC dungeons from the random queue, causing folks to expect that the random rewards should only take 15 minutes.
That's not the point of them and there is no promise of this anywhere.
What ZOS should actually do is make it so that all DLC dungeons but the absolute latest are available through the random queue, even if the DLC isn't purchased. It would be a way for non subscribers to get a sneak peak at the content, it would ensure the random rewards are given fairly out only to people truly willing to get any random dungeon, and the rewards would fulfill their original intent which was to be a carrot to fill ALL dungeon slots. Then they could make a non-DLC dungeon queue which does not give the random daily reward but does save time clicking if those are really the only ones you want to run.
Problem solved.
A non DLC queue that gave the same random rewards would only fracture the queue more. A non DLC queue that gave lesser rewards would solve nothing because most people would roll the dice and try for the higher reward and quit, like they do now, when they didn't get what they want.Edited by peacenote on September 17, 2022 3:19AM1 -
Ardriel✭✭✭✭✭
I definitely don't agree with that. That would make the waiting times for players who queue for certain DLC dungeons unbearably long if most people only queue for non DLC randoms.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »It is WAY passed time for a DLC toggle in GF for random dungeons.1 -
Ishtarknows✭✭✭✭✭
✭This topic is quite alarming. When DLC dungeons are to hard, not fun, whatever....the game has a problem.
I'd say it's not because they're too hard or not fun, but too long for a random. People do random normals for XP and/or transmutes and they want it over as soon as possible.
If I want to do a DLC dungeon for achievements or a pledge then I'll do it on vet, maybe try for achievements but random normal is a quick n dirty affair in my experience.0 -
Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭
I definitely don't agree with that. That would make the waiting times for players who queue for certain DLC dungeons unbearably long if most people only queue for non DLC randoms.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »It is WAY passed time for a DLC toggle in GF for random dungeons.
As opposed to having people join a dungeon and quit? Then we all sit and wait or we try to tarry on shorthanded or using a companion only to have other people quit because it's significantly harder shorthanded? And pffftt! if someone dies they just get an attitude and wont try further and you end up having to vote to kick them. My healer and a tank lost two dd's... we each pulled out our companions, my one was only level 11. We finished the dungeon anyway. Sometimes that's not always possible. As i said in the op my trouble is with my DD toons. In the example above i used on of my alt healers. My healres do more damage than my stamina DDs.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Memory_In_Motion wrote: »
I definitely don't agree with that. That would make the waiting times for players who queue for certain DLC dungeons unbearably long if most people only queue for non DLC randoms.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »It is WAY passed time for a DLC toggle in GF for random dungeons.
As opposed to having people join a dungeon and quit?
I nearly always end up finishing the dungeon, just did Black Drake Villa twice with a dd leaving both times. Still finished it and far faster than I would have done it all alone. So yes, I'd prefer two players helping me than none when I look for a group.Edited by spartaxoxo on September 17, 2022 11:31PM0 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS_Suserial wrote: »Hi, you can go into the Dungeon Finder then go into the drop down list. Select Specific Dungeons and join the queue for those Dungeons only.
Dungeon Finder > Specific Dungeons > Selection List > Join Queue
I know its not perfect but that's a way to know which ones you are trying to get into, I hope that helps some.
I have the opposite problem: I want to do random dailies and eliminate the base game dungeons (they're so booooooooring).2 -
Ragnarok0130✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StarOfElyon wrote: »ZOS_Suserial wrote: »Hi, you can go into the Dungeon Finder then go into the drop down list. Select Specific Dungeons and join the queue for those Dungeons only.
Dungeon Finder > Specific Dungeons > Selection List > Join Queue
I know its not perfect but that's a way to know which ones you are trying to get into, I hope that helps some.
I have the opposite problem: I want to do random dailies and eliminate the base game dungeons (they're so booooooooring).
I'd love this to be an ESO+ option. I'm so tired of Fungal Grotto and Banished Cells after 8 years.1 -
Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭StarOfElyon wrote: »ZOS_Suserial wrote: »Hi, you can go into the Dungeon Finder then go into the drop down list. Select Specific Dungeons and join the queue for those Dungeons only.
Dungeon Finder > Specific Dungeons > Selection List > Join Queue
I know its not perfect but that's a way to know which ones you are trying to get into, I hope that helps some.
I have the opposite problem: I want to do random dailies and eliminate the base game dungeons (they're so booooooooring).
Sounds like you should be doing vet dailies...0 -
Ryori729✭✭✭Several have stated that the point of the reward was to encourage others to help people who may want a specific dungeon. That may be the original point, but is that what is happening? From my experience, people are just there for the transmutes or the XP. Or right now, speed runs.
I have seen discussions about people sprinting on and other's not being able to get the quest. That is often met with a response of get some friends if you want to quest. There again, that's not the reward for helping someone else with the dungeon.
Right now the queue seems to mainly be to farm Fungal for the undaunted boxes. That definitely seems like something you can organize with a couple of friends.
While I would prefer the random to stay random, I get as many bad runs lately than I do good ones when I get a DCL. I don't mind fake healers, or fake tanks, or bad DPS. But when you are level 45, queue as a tank with your bow and have 18K health and meh DPS... apparently I haven't let that one go yet... But like getting into a DLC and people bailing, those of us who were willing to run get penalized. The other person just waits, or swaps toons. Maybe if the queue finder actually replaced drop outs faster ??
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Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭i do speed runs when it's clear its expected... After it's finished i'll stick around if someone want to clear the rest of fg1. np.
The other day though i was doing rN on 9 toons and got arx corinium 6 times. You can bet i speed ran it. I asked at the end no one complained.
I too hate not getting my quest. 4/9 are level 50 and the others are mostly leveling up from crafting and dungeons rN. ive gotten burned but thus far dont think i have burned anyone.0 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Memory_In_Motion wrote: »StarOfElyon wrote: »ZOS_Suserial wrote: »Hi, you can go into the Dungeon Finder then go into the drop down list. Select Specific Dungeons and join the queue for those Dungeons only.
Dungeon Finder > Specific Dungeons > Selection List > Join Queue
I know its not perfect but that's a way to know which ones you are trying to get into, I hope that helps some.
I have the opposite problem: I want to do random dailies and eliminate the base game dungeons (they're so booooooooring).
Sounds like you should be doing vet dailies...
They probably are.0
