Enchanter Surveys are bad, delete yours today or prove me wrong.

ghastley · August 2022

I find that the time I use the Enchanting surveys is for furnishing. There are a number of lighting plans that use stupid amounts of Rakeipa runes. Of course, they drop from the surveys in pitiful numbers, too.

Number_51 · August 2022

I get more kuta from the hirelings. Surveys are just a way to stay stocked up for doing writs.

SeaGtGruff · August 2022

I've gotten many Kuta from doing Enchanting surveys. It seems odd to see other people saying that they've never gotten any Kuta from a survey. Like, never, ever?

tmbrinks · August 2022

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, Alchemy is the only one that's really actually worth doing.

@acastanza_ESO
Yeah, that is definitely NOT true. Now, I am not sure it is worth running out to harvest every time you get a survey, but once they pile up a bit, they are an extremely efficient method of gathering resources. @tmbrinks could probably give better info here, but if I had to guess, the value of the surveys goes: Jewelry>Cloth>Blacksmith>wood or alchemy>Enchanting. Admittedly, alchemy is probably the one I am least comfortable valuing, but I dont think its at the top.

When I did about half of my survey stash last summer, I got a hefty pile of gold mats and lots of refined mats for either making gear or doing more writs.

Using the data I've collected for years, with prices as of this week on PC/NA. The approximate values of each survey is (after the materials being refined, if relevant)

Jewelry Survey ~ 65k gold
Clothing Survey ~ 53k gold
Blacksmithing Survey ~ 21k gold
Woodworking Survey ~ 10k gold
Alchemy is dependent on how much you want to "reset" the node. But getting all Columbine/Corn Flower would be about ~ 25-30k gold. w/o resetting it's probably in the 15-20k range
Enchanting is behind at ~ 3.5k gold

acastanza_ESO · August 2022

tmbrinks wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, Alchemy is the only one that's really actually worth doing.

@acastanza_ESO
Yeah, that is definitely NOT true. Now, I am not sure it is worth running out to harvest every time you get a survey, but once they pile up a bit, they are an extremely efficient method of gathering resources. @tmbrinks could probably give better info here, but if I had to guess, the value of the surveys goes: Jewelry>Cloth>Blacksmith>wood or alchemy>Enchanting. Admittedly, alchemy is probably the one I am least comfortable valuing, but I dont think its at the top.

When I did about half of my survey stash last summer, I got a hefty pile of gold mats and lots of refined mats for either making gear or doing more writs.

Using the data I've collected for years, with prices as of this week on PC/NA. The approximate values of each survey is (after the materials being refined, if relevant)

Jewelry Survey ~ 65k gold
Clothing Survey ~ 53k gold
Blacksmithing Survey ~ 21k gold
Woodworking Survey ~ 10k gold
Alchemy is dependent on how much you want to "reset" the node. But getting all Columbine/Corn Flower would be about ~ 25-30k gold. w/o resetting it's probably in the 15-20k range
Enchanting is behind at ~ 3.5k gold

I concede the point to someone who did the math!

Dr_Con · August 2022

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

How 'bout you play the game the way you want to play it, and don't tell others how to play?

This is a wake-up call to those who may have a bunch of these stockpiled and want to run them some day. As an above poster states, the most you'll make off these is 3.5k. That is something to sneeze at.

And let's say they add mundane to the loot tables, that might beef these surveys up to 10-15k but the price of mundane will quickly crash seeing as how there's people with over 100 of each enchanting survey stockpiled, and they'll be worth no more than regulus ore. Something similar could happen if they buffed heartwood to drop off the woodworking surveys.

I'll say it again, enchanting surveys are worthless except to new players. Doing them is an exercise in sacrifice of time you could be spending doing something else (including harvesting basic rune nodes, which net more profit and can respawn as psijic portals everywhere in except cyrodiil I believe). Now with added insight from others, I realize that them changing what comes off it will alter the economy to the seller base's detriment while still making this survey worthless (albeit a tiny bit less worthless) in the long term, and i'll still be there to advocate for deleting these.

Dr_Con · August 2022

DreamyLu wrote: »

I don't use Enchanting surveys, so I don't know their drop rate.I'm just used to farm runestones (15 mins round), and get a fair amount of kutas and mundane stones on a daily basis. There are several areas with loads of runestones so it's really easy to do. It seems to me easier than the surveys.

I think any zone with an overland set that you want will net quite a profit/achievements if you have a good treasure chest farming route combines with a rune node route (and of course the max lockpicking skill to force open chests, unless someone else is near you then you should probably manually pick them)

Running enchanting surveys, currently, achieves very little.

Chiaroscuro · August 2022

whitecrow wrote: »

I enjoy doing surveys as a way to just travel round and explore. It would be stupid to delete them.

This right here is why it bothers me so much they can't be sold or traded.

Some people loathe them. Some folks like them. Hmm, how can this be solved I wonder?

Dr_Con · August 2022

Chiaroscuro wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

I enjoy doing surveys as a way to just travel round and explore. It would be stupid to delete them.

This right here is why it bothers me so much they can't be sold or traded.

Some people loathe them. Some folks like them. Hmm, how can this be solved I wonder?

This is another great idea. When I told my trading guild I was about to destroy them all, they flipped out and said to put them in the guild bank, that people would buy them at auction as a pack set. I of course reminded them that they are bound.

Going off the prices that @tmbrinks posted, is probably what each survey would cost (except craglorn ones) if they were tradeable, and I'd be completely fine with that and I think so would the people hoarding them.

SeaGtGruff · August 2022

Personally, I don't really understand why some players must always put every little stick, stone, map, survey, piece of gear, etc., into terms of its "value" when sold on the guild traders' marketplace. Don't get ne wrong, if I need to buy something then I'm glad there's someone out there willing to sell anything and everything they come across in the game. But sometimes I feel like I'm the only player who keeps the stuff they find for personal use.

Dojohoda · August 2022

A couple years ago, more or less, I got a gold Imperial Style book from a psijic portal in Cyrodiil. I was gobsmacked! I don't see many psijic portals in Cyrodiil but when I do, I loot it. xD

peacenote · August 2022

I find that writs are a better source of kuta than gathering, either via surveys or regular harvesting. YMMV but the surveys to me don't seem to be any better or worse than the luck I get harvesting individual nodes.

phileunderx2 · August 2022

I don't get many as I only have 1 character that can do them.
I usually pick up whatever nodes I come across while I'm out doing stuff so I have plenty mats.

redlink1979 · August 2022

Should I delete my chunks of free mats because you had bad rng?
No.

Should you mislead others just because you had bad rng?
No.

lunaslide · August 2022

Somewhere off in Valenwood, Arttea's little Bosmer ears twitch furiously.

Auldwulfe · August 2022

I have found that it depends on your CP spent - if you have the CP spent for the 50% chance of getting double -- they are definitely worth it. I am building a wood elf archer who's sole purpose for existence, after he hits 50, is going to be harvesting, doing these, and Antiquities as his focus -- my "go find it" ranger, as it were.

Auldwulfe

WiseSky · August 2022

tmbrinks wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, Alchemy is the only one that's really actually worth doing.

@acastanza_ESO
Yeah, that is definitely NOT true. Now, I am not sure it is worth running out to harvest every time you get a survey, but once they pile up a bit, they are an extremely efficient method of gathering resources. @tmbrinks could probably give better info here, but if I had to guess, the value of the surveys goes: Jewelry>Cloth>Blacksmith>wood or alchemy>Enchanting. Admittedly, alchemy is probably the one I am least comfortable valuing, but I dont think its at the top.

When I did about half of my survey stash last summer, I got a hefty pile of gold mats and lots of refined mats for either making gear or doing more writs.

Using the data I've collected for years, with prices as of this week on PC/NA. The approximate values of each survey is (after the materials being refined, if relevant)

Jewelry Survey ~ 65k gold
Clothing Survey ~ 53k gold
Blacksmithing Survey ~ 21k gold
Woodworking Survey ~ 10k gold
Alchemy is dependent on how much you want to "reset" the node. But getting all Columbine/Corn Flower would be about ~ 25-30k gold. w/o resetting it's probably in the 15-20k range
Enchanting is behind at ~ 3.5k gold

So what you are saying is that is that I am sitting at around 300 Million of gold with my 8K surveys?

Dr_Con · August 2022

WiseSky wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, Alchemy is the only one that's really actually worth doing.

@acastanza_ESO
Yeah, that is definitely NOT true. Now, I am not sure it is worth running out to harvest every time you get a survey, but once they pile up a bit, they are an extremely efficient method of gathering resources. @tmbrinks could probably give better info here, but if I had to guess, the value of the surveys goes: Jewelry>Cloth>Blacksmith>wood or alchemy>Enchanting. Admittedly, alchemy is probably the one I am least comfortable valuing, but I dont think its at the top.

When I did about half of my survey stash last summer, I got a hefty pile of gold mats and lots of refined mats for either making gear or doing more writs.

Using the data I've collected for years, with prices as of this week on PC/NA. The approximate values of each survey is (after the materials being refined, if relevant)

Jewelry Survey ~ 65k gold
Clothing Survey ~ 53k gold
Blacksmithing Survey ~ 21k gold
Woodworking Survey ~ 10k gold
Alchemy is dependent on how much you want to "reset" the node. But getting all Columbine/Corn Flower would be about ~ 25-30k gold. w/o resetting it's probably in the 15-20k range
Enchanting is behind at ~ 3.5k gold

So what you are saying is that is that I am sitting at around 300 Million of gold with my 8K surveys?

if it's 8k enchanting surveys, it's 28 million, plus you have to think of the amount of time it takes to run each one. if it takes you 1 minute to do an enchanting survey and reset it on average, you will have to spend 133 hours running enchanting surveys, making 210k per hour. if i dedicated 133 hours making money, I would 100% surpass this amount (i know this because i've done guild challenges and personal challenges to make money within a certain amount of time, and it's not hard to reach 1 mil). You must also know that there's better ways of making money if you have that many surveys at this point.

Additionally, you will have to competitively list your gains, which takes up valuable trader slots and will likely push the value of your runes down.

now if you're mix and matching surveys, i retract some of this statement, but i still say that enchanting surveys are a waste of time.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2022

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, Alchemy is the only one that's really actually worth doing.

@acastanza_ESO
Yeah, that is definitely NOT true. Now, I am not sure it is worth running out to harvest every time you get a survey, but once they pile up a bit, they are an extremely efficient method of gathering resources. @tmbrinks could probably give better info here, but if I had to guess, the value of the surveys goes: Jewelry>Cloth>Blacksmith>wood or alchemy>Enchanting. Admittedly, alchemy is probably the one I am least comfortable valuing, but I dont think its at the top.

When I did about half of my survey stash last summer, I got a hefty pile of gold mats and lots of refined mats for either making gear or doing more writs.

Using the data I've collected for years, with prices as of this week on PC/NA. The approximate values of each survey is (after the materials being refined, if relevant)

Jewelry Survey ~ 65k gold
Clothing Survey ~ 53k gold
Blacksmithing Survey ~ 21k gold
Woodworking Survey ~ 10k gold
Alchemy is dependent on how much you want to "reset" the node. But getting all Columbine/Corn Flower would be about ~ 25-30k gold. w/o resetting it's probably in the 15-20k range
Enchanting is behind at ~ 3.5k gold

I concede the point to someone who did the math!

Smart move, LOL. I get into more arguments on these forums than I probably should, but I am NOT getting into one with @tmbrinks over math or crafting writs. Looks like my order was about right, perhaps I had alchemy a little low. I would have guessed that wood worker surveys are worth a bit more than 10k a pop, but I trust those numbers.

WiseSky wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, Alchemy is the only one that's really actually worth doing.

@acastanza_ESO
Yeah, that is definitely NOT true. Now, I am not sure it is worth running out to harvest every time you get a survey, but once they pile up a bit, they are an extremely efficient method of gathering resources. @tmbrinks could probably give better info here, but if I had to guess, the value of the surveys goes: Jewelry>Cloth>Blacksmith>wood or alchemy>Enchanting. Admittedly, alchemy is probably the one I am least comfortable valuing, but I dont think its at the top.

When I did about half of my survey stash last summer, I got a hefty pile of gold mats and lots of refined mats for either making gear or doing more writs.

Using the data I've collected for years, with prices as of this week on PC/NA. The approximate values of each survey is (after the materials being refined, if relevant)

Jewelry Survey ~ 65k gold
Clothing Survey ~ 53k gold
Blacksmithing Survey ~ 21k gold
Woodworking Survey ~ 10k gold
Alchemy is dependent on how much you want to "reset" the node. But getting all Columbine/Corn Flower would be about ~ 25-30k gold. w/o resetting it's probably in the 15-20k range
Enchanting is behind at ~ 3.5k gold

So what you are saying is that is that I am sitting at around 300 Million of gold with my 8K surveys?

My quick math was more like 230 million assuming they are evenly distributed (and 20k for an alchemy survey). I would hazard a guess is that if you have 8k surveys, some were acquired pre jewelry surveys so likely you have fewer of those, which would bring it down a bit, but its still potentially a lot of gold. Said it early, but I did about 1500 surveys last summer. My MM value of my craft bag went up I think by about 40 million, so that roughly checks out.