And werewolves got ignored, so they're really dead now.

I said before in combat changes post, ZOS are gonna keep doubling down till it passes through live server and once everyone in the community hates it we might get actual change after months of pain. Same as every other update.

As usual

Sigh...

There's still more work to be done, let's keep the constructive feedback flowing. 8.1.2 exceeded my expectations, with a fix to Bound Armaments, a creatively improved and versatile Crystal Weapon, and the return of many 10s DoTs to make rotations more active and proc enchants/effects more frequently. Hopefully more to come next week, we just need to be clear about the problems.

Well they did listen , they just did not act uppon all of it, big differance

Te dot hot problem was as i understood it the biggest(or one of) problem for pve
Yeah la and ha hard cap will it hard but saying its a major source of dps for new player is completely false as most new player i played with did not even try to weave in their rotation. Sure mid tier to high end player will benifit massivly from la weaving but not a brand new player

I don't know but the combat was fun and clear untill they introduced the hybridization, then everything has become confused patch after patch. Big changes, nerfs, double nerfs, and reverts make me confused about my classes and that is not fun.

I think i'll take a break untill the combat team will have a clear and stable vision about the game

Hey, combat team! Do you know how long I've been looking for you?

I feel it's already a big improvement, but it's still far from being good.

Is it so hard to make every weapon meant for damage to be a viable damage option for front and off bar? Is it so hard to nerf the overpowered sets that favor "the ceiling" and buff sets with easy uptimes? The reason Silks of the Sun etc were locked at 400 weapon/spell damage as opposed to the 600 that War Maiden and Swamp Raider enjoy is because their effects could be made use of by light attacks of the respective element. If LAs don't scale anymore then at least buff these sets. If you want to close the skill gap then please just close the skill gap instead of messing with everybody and not even doing what you wanted to be doing.

But why do I even bother. My feedback won't be read and even if I went into meticulous detail, am I the one who's job it is to balance this game? No. Then why does it feel like we players are the ones who have to do all the work here?

First dark convergance, plaguebreak, then oakensoul, savage werewolf, now nocturnal's ploy...
I am in pain.

Agree. Still a DPS reduction. Bad update.

Big agree. Huge, unnecessary, un-asked for changes that do not improve accessibility or raise the floor. I would really love for the dev team to be able to eat their mistake, admit that this is all bananas, and go back to the drawing board. And I'd like them to use a much smaller, more manageable drawing board, and make much smaller, more measured changes.

I know many don't agree but I'm happy with the new jabs animation, but it should do more damage than Flurry as it's part of their "class identity" that is not cared about these days. It is sad to see how few of the problems were addressed. Wardens and Sorcs were mostly uncared for the damages caused to them, They still snuck more nerfs into the situation despite that not being needed. Incredibly disheartening how poorly this was handled. Not to mention the scaling of the "sticky" DoT's sets like the Perfected Master Bow does not work, and many of the core elements that are upsetting the player base were ignored. Werewolves might as well not exist at this point. Wardens shalks are dreadful and harm a key identity to their rotation. Their bear nerfs were unwarranted. Nerfing Boneyard was unwarranted. Nerfing Maelstrom 2h AGAIN was unwarranted. This is ridiculous and absurd. What even is the point of us wasting hundreds of combined hours providing data and testing this information if it's always treated as a "well we're sending this" mentality? These cycles are too short, and the data is vastly ignored.

The fact as a community we have to plead and get enough drama stirred for news outlets to start covering our dismay towards these changes is enough to highlight the failure of communication within ZOS. Gilliam and the Combat team are completely out of touch with the games community and our wants. They have done nothing but cause staggering shifts, conflicts of identity, and devastating blows to player morale. I'm unsure how much longer I can deal with this before I jump ship. This has bordered on depressing. I enjoyed making content creation for ESO, and I'm unsure if I will/want to continue doing so. The game is painful in terms of the treatment of their community. They are, deliberately or not, misleading their casual player base with deceptive comments. (See 8.1.0 for information on Heavy attacks) Heavy attacks being a big thing the casual player base enjoy. Saying you're looking out for them and then handing them a letter showing they're receiving the biggest nerfs in history.

They treat us with comments that feel so slighted and condescending. It highlights to me that Gilliam may not be the one who needs to man this position any longer. The results of these changes and the basic fundamental math disproving the combat teams' plans and ideas do not take a professor to expose. Using the "Provide us data, not just anecdotal feedback" maybe that's highlighting a core element. The combat team is so obsessed with fine-tuning things and miscalculations involving "sticky dots" that they fail to capture identity. They are too focused on the numbers and not enough on the creativity to define things. The combat is becoming insanely cookie cutter, rotations are just blending into the same thing across the board. This is destined for failure if they can't break their mold and create a better identity.

10, 12, and 15s dots shouldn't be your standard of measurement as you're just created a cookie cutter imprint. Creativity ZOS is the key to identity. Why not 3s, 5s, 9s, 30s, variety is the key. It's incredibly painful watching the combat team do this again while the community is screaming out in hopes that we'll be heard. ZOS has a dedicated community set on giving them full feedback and information. With little to no filter on being open on it. It didn't take us long to prove that these updates suggested changes were poor. It was ignorant for it to be blown off as knee-jerk reactions or ones based on anecdotal evidence.

Enough ranting, ZOS needs to get its priorities back on identity instead of their spread sheets and focus on making the players happy not their oven. Players don't like cookie cutters.