Please eliminate the Insightful, Agree and Awesome ranking system on forum posts

VaranisArano · July 2022

SimonThesis wrote: »

I like the reactions we have now, but I would like a disagree button. A disagree button would prevent a lot of back and forth forum arguments and flaming etc. Maybe even make the amount of disagrees not visible to the poster, just everyone else so that no one tries to collect disagrees. Though it could prevent someone from bringing up a really good point out of laziness.

ZOS_Kevin

How does that work?

I mean, if you disagree with someone enough to post something, it's a choice to make it a flaming post vs a reasonable comment.

And honestly, if I'm having a back-and-forth discussion, I can guess the other person disagrees with me. I can also guess how many other posters disagree with me and care enough to react by how many reactions their post gets. Though if I really wanted an accurate count, a simple poll would be better.

Not that it really matters, since I'm not debating someone in a back and forth for the forums points. Usually it's because we're discussing the matter at hand either in more detail or trying to hash out a misunderstanding. None of which is really going to be stopped by a disagree button...

LalMirchi · July 2022

Paulytnz wrote: »

Well I guess that's one way to get people to click on the "agree", "insightful" or "awesome" option - create a thread asking for their removal lol!

That was really insightful.

I respectfully disagree with OP however. There is no need for removing the feedback buttons nor a need for a disagree button. This forum does not resemble social media.

Cuwen · July 2022

What would be nice is if they stopped deleting posts they just didn't like...

brylars · July 2022

I think this runs along with my post about bringing "disagree" button in. The consensus was that it would bring in more negativity into the discussion without explanation. As for the existing reactions, it really is part of the social media community. Every program has some sort of reaction available for those who wish to react to a post without having to explain themselves.

Besides. It is always nice to see that some agree without having to go through pages of comments to find those who commented on your comment and showed their support in word.

SammyKhajit · July 2022

Sammy likes to be insightful, agreeable and awesome all at the same time

Amottica · July 2022

xaraan wrote: »

It's VERY helpful when you see a back and forth on a topic and see one side constantly getting 20+ agrees and the other side getting like 4.

True. I cannot fathom why anyone would find such a small thing objectionable. There is not a negative reaction that can be given.

Adding a quote from @Kahnak as it is very appropriate. I also gave them an insightful reaction.

Kahnak wrote: »

You know what is a huge problem? This thing that isn't a problem.

BretonMage · July 2022

SimonThesis wrote: »

I like the reactions we have now, but I would like a disagree button. A disagree button would prevent a lot of back and forth forum arguments and flaming etc. Maybe even make the amount of disagrees not visible to the poster, just everyone else so that no one tries to collect disagrees. Though it could prevent someone from bringing up a really good point out of laziness.

I disagree with this. A disagree button does little except to make voicing certain opinions a punitive experience, effectively discouraging healthy discussion of diverse opinions. We're lucky to have moderators here to stop flaming and trolling, so we don't need the type of mechanisms that social media introduced as a sort of auto-moderation system (that didn't really work anyway except to encourage brigading).

There was a recent thread on a disagree button that contained some very, uh, insightful posts.

Lapin_Logic · July 2022

chattygeekHD wrote: »

But if you don't like the buttons.. The easy answer is don't use them, right?

STAHP LIKING MY POSTS, I DON'T LIKE IT!!!

colossalvoids · July 2022

One of the most insightful posts I've seen so far, keep it up!

Amottica · July 2022

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

chattygeekHD wrote: »

But if you don't like the buttons.. The easy answer is don't use them, right?

STAHP LIKING MY POSTS, I DON'T LIKE IT!!!

How insightful!.

PrimusTiberius · July 2022

of all things...this...really?

Sevalaricgirl · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

This system is not necessary and it's not helpful in any way. Forum posts don't need to be ranked or approved of by other players.

This isn't reddit. There is a reddit for ESO, go there.

Paralyse · July 2022

I just want them to bring "LOL" back.

Varana · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Doesn't anyone else think we need to get away from the social media inspired "like" and "dislike" baloney? Can't anyone have a discussion now days without the need for "likes"?

Instead of measuring the quality of a discussion based on how many people "liked" you, why don't we all just learn to have a discussion and actually base the worthiness of the discussion on the merits rather than the "likes"?

Social media has corrupted the brains of the masses, and this is one way it's done it. Being popular IS NOT the same as being right or worthy. If you're basing the worthiness of yourself or your comment based on the number of "likes", you're not thinking, you're doing it wrong.

But this system isn't that? This has serious "old man rants at world" vibes.

The forum buttons aren't "likes" and "dislikes". They express an agreement (which is probably the closest to "like"), commend a post for giving valuable information, or mark a post as outstanding in some other way.
This is not a popularity contest, and if you see it as such, that is your view. How do you know other people base their worthiness on the number of Agrees in this forum? That is entirely your assumption, and I'm pretty sure for at least some in this thread, that this is a rather ridiculous assumption. Don't ascribe intentions to other people and then attack them.

Esp. Agrees and Insightfuls are contributing to the discussion. Have you never nodded in agreement? Or otherwise signalled your approval with a short "Yes!" or "She's right!" or "I think so as well!" or similar expressions? They're not elaborate speeches, either, and we do that all the time. We've even done that well before the advent of the root of all evil, i.e. social media.

And now I've given this thread way more of my life time than it deserved. Please honour my sacrifice. ;D

barney2525 · July 2022

THIS is what we have to complain about now-adays ?

Everything must be running pretty well then.

Kappachi · July 2022

barney2525 wrote: »

THIS is what we have to complain about now-adays ?

Everything must be running pretty well then.

People will always find something to complain about even if everything's working fine for 99.99% of the playerbase.

Paulytnz · July 2022

Kappachi wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

THIS is what we have to complain about now-adays ?

Everything must be running pretty well then.

People will always find something to complain about even if everything's working fine for 99.99% of the playerbase.

I have a complaint about your 99.99% number - you should have said 100%!!!!

EvilAutoTech · July 2022

Paulytnz wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

THIS is what we have to complain about now-adays ?

Everything must be running pretty well then.

People will always find something to complain about even if everything's working fine for 99.99% of the playerbase.

I have a complaint about your 99.99% number - you should have said 100%!!!!

I would have gone with 100.001%

Minnesinger · July 2022

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

What is needed is a return of the Disagree button, and a rep system so that posts with silly opinions can be downvoted to Oblivion.

Let alone the legendary "LOL" that was obviously farmed by similar posts like this.

merpins · July 2022

I mean I'm one for an Agree, Disagree, and Lol button.

Maitsukas · July 2022

If you go to the following forum page, you'll notice that there are badges for now disabled reactions:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/badges/

The reactions that are listed there:

Like (last earned by an user in November 2013)
LOL (last earned by an user in February 2015)
Up Vote (never earned by anyone)

Paralyse · July 2022

The feels

Riptide · July 2022

In the very early beta there were literally around 10 different reactions, pretty sure some negative.

I wish they would get rid of both reactions and stars. I’ve seen so many posts over the years where people are transparently taking an artificial contrarian view to grind reactions, and it just flat poisons substantive discussion.

Varana · July 2022

OTOH, if you've been on the internet, it becomes very clear very quickly that people like to be contrarian and troll-ish just for the "fun" of it. Even without reactions and the like - people will post random outrageous stuff (like "eliminate forum reactions!") so they trigger responses. That there are people who "poison substantive discussion" is not a consequence of Like buttons. It's what people are on the internet.

Riptide · July 2022

Nods, you could be right. My thought was to not “reward” it.

But I take your point.

EdmondDontes · July 2022

Varana wrote: »

OTOH, if you've been on the internet, it becomes very clear very quickly that people like to be contrarian and troll-ish just for the "fun" of it. Even without reactions and the like - people will post random outrageous stuff (like "eliminate forum reactions!") so they trigger responses. That there are people who "poison substantive discussion" is not a consequence of Like buttons. It's what people are on the internet.

I posted the request because social media has taught people to THINK that agree/awesome/thumbsup etc. are value indicators, that they have worth, when they do not. People are using these buttons to determine their self worth and their contributions when the opposite is generally the case.

People need to get off the social media mindset and just have a discussion that stands on it's own merits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvg0eY_Ls4Y

Educate yourself, don't determine your worth based on "likes" or "agrees".

Cadbury · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

OTOH, if you've been on the internet, it becomes very clear very quickly that people like to be contrarian and troll-ish just for the "fun" of it. Even without reactions and the like - people will post random outrageous stuff (like "eliminate forum reactions!") so they trigger responses. That there are people who "poison substantive discussion" is not a consequence of Like buttons. It's what people are on the internet.

I posted the request because social media has taught people to THINK that agree/awesome/thumbsup etc. are value indicators, that they have worth, when they do not. People are using these buttons to determine their self worth and their contributions when the opposite is generally the case.

People need to get off the social media mindset and just have a discussion that stands on it's own merits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvg0eY_Ls4Y

Educate yourself, don't determine your worth based on "likes" or "agrees".

I blame The Matrix movies for perpetrating this. Everyone wants to be Neo when in reality most people would act like Cypher.

kieso · July 2022

Plot twist,

OP made post to gain rank approval by others.

EdmondDontes · July 2022

kieso wrote: »

Plot twist,

OP made post to gain rank approval by others.

No. Try reading my posts. There is a valid reason for the request.

Social media has altered the minds of the minions to make them think "like" buttons are an accurate indicator of value or worth when the opposite tends to be the case.

Prof_Bawbag · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

kieso wrote: »

Plot twist,

OP made post to gain rank approval by others.

No. Try reading my posts. There is a valid reason for the request.

Social media has altered the minds of the minions to make them think "like" buttons are an accurate indicator of value or worth when the opposite tends to be the case.

You've basically answered your own question why this will never happen. Kinda self-explanatory. Social media, the net etc have all moved on from when i had my dial up connection. Give it another 5 years and we'll all be sat somewhere arguing about the next implemented ego boost.