AdamLAD wrote: »

I seriously don't like it. The gap between a good player and terrible player is getting smaller and smaller. (...)

The game keeps being dumbified since One Tamriel.

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Oh boy, gotta love the PvP community hating something designed for casual PvE players which will then get nerfed into being so useless not even casual PvE players will use it.

Where does it state this ring is designed for casual PVE play? And if it is designed for that, then its impact to the PvP environment should've been properly assessed and feedback given during PTS by PvP players should've been taken more seriously.

No PvP player cares if you're absolutely nuking overland mobs with perma corrosive and insane damage molten whips. They do care when it's happening to them in cyrodiil / BGs / IC though.

AdamLAD wrote: »

I seriously don't like it. The gap between a good player and terrible player is getting smaller and smaller. Everything is being HANDED to them. How about zenimax introduces a mythic item that plays the game for you. The games actually so casual now. Its so boring. No sense of achievement in doing literally anything when these things exist. Theres nothing competitive about this game anymore. Such a shame from what it used to be.

I don't know how this ring is doing in pvp but for pve the game is not game shattering in my opinion yes it closes the gap between good and bad players but quite honestly the gap was too wide anyway. The ring is not going to make it so bad players can just automatically clear all vet content it is still going to be very difficult for them but maybe it gives them the courage to dip their toes in the water and try? There is still going to be a gap as two bar builds in almost every case will still out preform one bar builds potentially significantly and especially in groups which brings me to the one thing I hate about this ring is that I can see people building away from groupwide buffs for trials and groups which could end up being detrimental to a team. All and all I don't think the ring in the hands of a player who is not in the top tier is overpowered as they are still going to underperform players who study, practice and have learned the mechanics of the game it only makes it so that they can be a little better which helps you in the long run because when you get grouped with randos there is a better chance of their dps not being terrible.

Bealeb319 wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

I seriously don't like it. The gap between a good player and terrible player is getting smaller and smaller. Everything is being HANDED to them. How about zenimax introduces a mythic item that plays the game for you. The games actually so casual now. Its so boring. No sense of achievement in doing literally anything when these things exist. Theres nothing competitive about this game anymore. Such a shame from what it used to be.

I don't know how this ring is doing in pvp but for pve the game is not game shattering in my opinion yes it closes the gap between good and bad players but quite honestly the gap was too wide anyway. The ring is not going to make it so bad players can just automatically clear all vet content it is still going to be very difficult for them but maybe it gives them the courage to dip their toes in the water and try? There is still going to be a gap as two bar builds in almost every case will still out preform one bar builds potentially significantly and especially in groups which brings me to the one thing I hate about this ring is that I can see people building away from groupwide buffs for trials and groups which could end up being detrimental to a team. All and all I don't think the ring in the hands of a player who is not in the top tier is overpowered as they are still going to underperform players who study, practice and have learned the mechanics of the game it only makes it so that they can be a little better which helps you in the long run because when you get grouped with randos there is a better chance of their dps not being terrible.

Actually this ring does not change much for coordinated group play, same as PO ring did not. Every time I notice group giving most of the buffs and have decent heals I just swap it with Markyn Ring of Majesty and am good to go, I guess most of people do so. Even tho I hate 2 bar builds as I stated before

AdamLAD wrote: »

How about zenimax introduces a mythic item that plays the game for you. The games actually so casual now

ZOS making the game for majority of players. And majority of players are casuals.

I don't know statistics, but looking at other games (single player, where achievements are in public domain), I can conclude that 70%+ of ESO playerbase didn't finished Coldharbour main questline. Conclusions are up to you.

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I usually disagree with ppl that play mostly pvp but that’s mainly because I don’t do it and everyone defends their play style but I have to say this mythic is a joke. It will be nerfed no doubt because it’s just there to sell the chapter and everyone that defends the mythic by saying that effective 2 bar builds still outperform then why are you not outperforming it with 2 bar build? Exactly. It’s made for easy casual mode. You shouldn’t want this if your are a endgame pve’er. Now I understand why casual players like it but just like everything else it will be abused.

I'm older, my reflexes aren't made for twitchy combat, I have crap for internet (my ping is usually 999+), and I can't bar swap due to the combo of those issues. Once I can get the ring (if I can get it), it may help me alleviate some of the anxiety combat produces in me.

Holycannoli wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I usually disagree with ppl that play mostly pvp but that’s mainly because I don’t do it and everyone defends their play style but I have to say this mythic is a joke. It will be nerfed no doubt because it’s just there to sell the chapter and everyone that defends the mythic by saying that effective 2 bar builds still outperform then why are you not outperforming it with 2 bar build? Exactly. It’s made for easy casual mode. You shouldn’t want this if your are a endgame pve’er. Now I understand why casual players like it but just like everything else it will be abused.

I'm older, my reflexes aren't made for twitchy combat, I have crap for internet (my ping is usually 999+), and I can't bar swap due to the combo of those issues. Once I can get the ring (if I can get it), it may help me alleviate some of the anxiety combat produces in me.

Yes you'll feel better with the ring, you just have to choose carefully which skills you want to use. So many skills to choose from and you only get five + one ultimate.

That's all I have now.... I haven't set up a 2 bar build on anyone in years, because there's no point.

Everyone has different internet speeds and physical abilities. I do both PVE and PVP, so I have a foot in each camp. Perhaps a lot of the PVP problem is the desire/obsession to always chase meta and then praise yourself for being a so-called-'real player'. Perhaps THAT is what takes away the fun The best times I've had in PVP were when the leaders used strategy to win, when most of the players didn't even know what the meta-build should be.

I'm GLAD that this ring will help people that aren't perfect; everyone's play style is what works for them! This game's strength (in my eyes) is that people of differing tastes & abilities can enjoy it!

Brokensoul is OP, that's a fact. It'll get nerfed, just a case of when, that's a fact.
PvErs complain just as much as PvPers, that's a fact. All this pvpers vs pvers argument trying to derail the thread lol.

If ZoS ever implements items the same power creep as Oakensoul it'll get the same reaction and adjustments.

AdamLAD wrote: »

I seriously don't like it. The gap between a good player and terrible player is getting smaller and smaller. Everything is being HANDED to them. How about zenimax introduces a mythic item that plays the game for you. The games actually so casual now. Its so boring. No sense of achievement in doing literally anything when these things exist. Theres nothing competitive about this game anymore. Such a shame from what it used to be.

Well, ZOS wants to "raise the floor", which this ring certainly does. You don't agree with the direction ZOS is taking? Did "terrible players" beat you and you are in desperate need of an excuse why you lost to them?

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

IMO, the elites whining about Oakensoul in pvp are the same people who had no problem last week going 100kills to 1 death against the very same players that they are now struggling against.

I'm sure the "elites" aren't having an issue with people who couldn't manage a 2 bar set up all of a sudden.

More likely the issue is that to remain competitive against others of comparable skill who are using this ring you have to do the same; further limiting build options and simplifying pvp combat into spamming damage as there's no reward for managing good buff uptimes while still being able to keep pressure on your opponent.

AdamLAD wrote: »

I seriously don't like it. The gap between a good player and terrible player is getting smaller and smaller. Everything is being HANDED to them. How about zenimax introduces a mythic item that plays the game for you. The games actually so casual now. Its so boring. No sense of achievement in doing literally anything when these things exist. Theres nothing competitive about this game anymore. Such a shame from what it used to be.

This game has never been competitive.

Take Cyrodil for example, where you have:

- teams that are different sizes.
- you can pick which team to play on
- you have new players vs players with thousands of hours
- tryhards vs casuals
- a 30 man group can zerg down 4 guys
- those 4 guys can zerg down 1 guy
- you have 16 year olds vs 60 year olds.

As competitive PvP that is absolutely laughable.

Same goes for "skill", the basis of skilled play is competitive play, yet we are talking about a game where for example instead of doing GvG most groups would rather "farm" unorganised, more casual players, etc. The notion of "farming" to anyone with even a modicum of interest in skilled, competitive PvP is utterly contradictory to those things, if gameplay is one sided enough to be called farming then it certainly isn't skilled or competitive in any meaningful sense.

Which is why PvP in this game and more generally MMORPGs (though some do it a bit better than ESO) is a dismal failure and why the "PvP" playerbase of this game is the least PvP I've ever seen and has no real interest in skilled, competitive PvP, they wouldn't be playing this if they did.

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Brokensoul is OP, that's a fact. It'll get nerfed, just a case of when, that's a fact.
PvErs complain just as much as PvPers, that's a fact. All this pvpers vs pvers argument trying to derail the thread lol.

If ZoS ever implements items the same power creep as Oakensoul it'll get the same reaction and adjustments.

The thing I think that intrigues people about the oakensoul ring is not that it makes them more powerful but that it allows them to use one bar instead of two. Eso as far as mmos go is difficult in the sense that weaving in and out of two bars takes skill and practice. Most casual players you will see in random groups never switch bars making them a detriment to groups but also making them weaker in solo play, this ring is a powerful tool in making them more effective in both group play and solo play it is a good thing not bad. It does not make top end players worse as two bars should still out preform one but it gives good players an opportunity to have a more casual way of playing while still remaining effective too. I got my ring today (day two ps5) and in the testing I've done so far the ring does not appear to be game shattering it still takes me about as long to kill things in pve as it did with two bars so atleast for pve I would say overpowered is a stretch. It will probably get nerfed but it honestly shouldn't having the option to have a viable one bar build is a good thing for this game and keep in mind it is at the cost of having a monster set, trial weapon or 5 piece set equipped so the buffs are not just handed to players there is a cost involved with it too.