ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Ancient knowledge is still horrible. Put the block reduction in CP and completely rework the whole passive. Something like wielding X staff increases your X damage by 5%. No more fire staff +10% bonus for all single target damage.
I wish they'd do that too. However i made these changes with what i think zos's direction is.
I actually think something like 'wielding X staff increases your X damage by Y%' is more in line with ZOS's current direction.
Yeah but then that'd involve removing the block cost which as you can see some people don't want.
It doesn't have to. I am a frost staff tank and wouldn't frost staff to lose any of its utility.
It's as easy as making Ancient Knowledge grant a flat 10% damage all around and then give each staff type a unique extra. Like Fire deals more damage to burning targets or whatever.
That provides problems in pvp though. It's probably just easier overall to forget the change to tri focus and just focus on the rest of the changes as they would undoubtedly be more beneficial to users of the frost staff while not causing as much of a divide. Icy rage would be fantastic for any role, the change to unstable wall is a significant help for frost dps and the frost impulse change is undoubtedly better than the current joke that is minor protection.
So your interest is only frost staff as always. For a moment I thought you had an actual interest in making destruction staff better all around, not just frost warden. The pitch surely evoced that impression. .)
Ice staff magicka blocking is for meme builds only so i hope they remove that
MashmalloMan wrote: »"Tri Focus:
Removed the Frost Staff magicka block cost."
"This effect will instead be included as a new slottable red CP"
After that i stopped reading. U rly didnt think about what this means.
1. There is no CP PvP. Do i have to explain more?
2. There is only 4 CP slots. Why tanks have to waste 1 just because DDs want more? U want even less tanks in the game?
3. Frost DDs already have damage (de)buff from using Ice Staff. Its called Minor Brittle. And thats the reason why trial groups WANT somebody with Ice Staff.
In short - u are hurting tanks because DDs wants more.
While you raise some great point may I highlight 1 thing:
"Destruction Staff"
Why are we trying to make Frost Staves into a pseudo tank, cc, support and DD weapon when the skill line is meant for damage users.
In a perfect world, we would have an Alteration Staff for magicka tanks instead.
Ice staff magicka blocking is for meme builds only so i hope they remove that
Destruction is one of the Schools of Magicka that exist in The Elder Scrolls series. It is the mastery of the spell effects that "harm living and unliving things, and include elemental damage, draining, damaging, vulnerability, and disintegration magical effects."
gariondavey wrote: »Some really good suggestions here. Excellent write up. The ice staff block cp suggestion wasn't good though, due to no cp pvp existing. Other than that I am pretty on board with everything in here.
Ice staff magicka blocking is for meme builds only so i hope they remove that
Warden has the Highest Elemental Damage Bonus in the Game at +10% Frost Damage, and you want to say that Winter's Embrace isn't for Damage.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »Some really good suggestions here. Excellent write up. The ice staff block cp suggestion wasn't good though, due to no cp pvp existing. Other than that I am pretty on board with everything in here.
i understand about the tri focus change as it's a pretty split topic and i've just crossed out the suggestion, however, i wanted to get your further opinions on the changes you did like? were there any outliers? why did they seem good?
gariondavey wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »Some really good suggestions here. Excellent write up. The ice staff block cp suggestion wasn't good though, due to no cp pvp existing. Other than that I am pretty on board with everything in here.
i understand about the tri focus change as it's a pretty split topic and i've just crossed out the suggestion, however, i wanted to get your further opinions on the changes you did like? were there any outliers? why did they seem good?
It was all pretty solid tbh
Changes that coincide with what those abilities should be doing
Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
That snipe is horrible please no 😱 but good stuff in there tho overall thank you 👍
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
While that's true, they're also not hugely behind, themselves.
Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
While that's true, they're also not hugely behind, themselves.
My true point is right now Ice staves are split between two roles and because of the "power budget" concept don't perform either as well as the pure options available. As I suggested in my edited post I'd be just as happy, actually even more, if they made Ice DPS a serious contender for DPS and gave us another staff type for magica tanking.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
While that's true, they're also not hugely behind, themselves.
My true point is right now Ice staves are split between two roles and because of the "power budget" concept don't perform either as well as the pure options available. As I suggested in my edited post I'd be just as happy, actually even more, if they made Ice DPS a serious contender for DPS and gave us another staff type for magica tanking.
While I'd like them to lean fully into dpsing, when it comes to the tanking application of the skill line, changing it from how the line is currently set up will inevitably hurt either dps or tanks if they were to lean into 1 direction. I think if they want to keep this split dps/tanking/support direction, then how the line is currently set up will suffice. It's not the best at dpsing but brittle creates a niche for it to exist.
Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
While that's true, they're also not hugely behind, themselves.
My true point is right now Ice staves are split between two roles and because of the "power budget" concept don't perform either as well as the pure options available. As I suggested in my edited post I'd be just as happy, actually even more, if they made Ice DPS a serious contender for DPS and gave us another staff type for magica tanking.
While I'd like them to lean fully into dpsing, when it comes to the tanking application of the skill line, changing it from how the line is currently set up will inevitably hurt either dps or tanks if they were to lean into 1 direction. I think if they want to keep this split dps/tanking/support direction, then how the line is currently set up will suffice. It's not the best at dpsing but brittle creates a niche for it to exist.
Yes but if part of the power budget wasn't split into tanking options applying brittle could be what makes Ice DPS just as viable as other destruction staves, rather than being relegated to a niche. I'm more a PvP player but I'd be willing to bet high end trail groups aren't likely to allow more than one person using Ice stave in a group and that is likely the tank applying brittle from their backbar. If it's going to be included under the destruction staff skill line it should be just as viable a damage dealing weapon in its own right.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
While that's true, they're also not hugely behind, themselves.
My true point is right now Ice staves are split between two roles and because of the "power budget" concept don't perform either as well as the pure options available. As I suggested in my edited post I'd be just as happy, actually even more, if they made Ice DPS a serious contender for DPS and gave us another staff type for magica tanking.
While I'd like them to lean fully into dpsing, when it comes to the tanking application of the skill line, changing it from how the line is currently set up will inevitably hurt either dps or tanks if they were to lean into 1 direction. I think if they want to keep this split dps/tanking/support direction, then how the line is currently set up will suffice. It's not the best at dpsing but brittle creates a niche for it to exist.
Yes but if part of the power budget wasn't split into tanking options applying brittle could be what makes Ice DPS just as viable as other destruction staves, rather than being relegated to a niche. I'm more a PvP player but I'd be willing to bet high end trail groups aren't likely to allow more than one person using Ice stave in a group and that is likely the tank applying brittle from their backbar. If it's going to be included under the destruction staff skill line it should be just as viable a damage dealing weapon in its own right.
I totally understand how you feel and it's certainly true that only 1 ice staff is generally desired in groups, however, adjusting passives away from what they are now in order to make them for dps is bound to be incredibly devisive between the 2 groups that use it. I definitely want it to be purely for dps. But I know zos doesn't have the same goal. I like to make suggestions that i think best line up with how i think zos should go about things while also keeping with what i think their vision is. Though i suppose my suggestions for winter's embrace don't do that since i don't think anyone knows what the hell is going on with that line. Not even zos themselves.
Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
While that's true, they're also not hugely behind, themselves.
My true point is right now Ice staves are split between two roles and because of the "power budget" concept don't perform either as well as the pure options available. As I suggested in my edited post I'd be just as happy, actually even more, if they made Ice DPS a serious contender for DPS and gave us another staff type for magica tanking.
While I'd like them to lean fully into dpsing, when it comes to the tanking application of the skill line, changing it from how the line is currently set up will inevitably hurt either dps or tanks if they were to lean into 1 direction. I think if they want to keep this split dps/tanking/support direction, then how the line is currently set up will suffice. It's not the best at dpsing but brittle creates a niche for it to exist.
Yes but if part of the power budget wasn't split into tanking options applying brittle could be what makes Ice DPS just as viable as other destruction staves, rather than being relegated to a niche. I'm more a PvP player but I'd be willing to bet high end trail groups aren't likely to allow more than one person using Ice stave in a group and that is likely the tank applying brittle from their backbar. If it's going to be included under the destruction staff skill line it should be just as viable a damage dealing weapon in its own right.
I totally understand how you feel and it's certainly true that only 1 ice staff is generally desired in groups, however, adjusting passives away from what they are now in order to make them for dps is bound to be incredibly devisive between the 2 groups that use it. I definitely want it to be purely for dps. But I know zos doesn't have the same goal. I like to make suggestions that i think best line up with how i think zos should go about things while also keeping with what i think their vision is. Though i suppose my suggestions for winter's embrace don't do that since i don't think anyone knows what the hell is going on with that line. Not even zos themselves.
The two groups that use it are 1) DPS players that enjoy the theme and would like it to be more viable for its original role and 2) Tanks that use it because of the utility and would be just as happy, probably even happier, to use a new magica tanking stave that was designed and dedicated to the role rather than a tacked on set of passives that modified an existing DPS weapon as an afterthought that was introduced years into the games existence.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
While that's true, they're also not hugely behind, themselves.
My true point is right now Ice staves are split between two roles and because of the "power budget" concept don't perform either as well as the pure options available. As I suggested in my edited post I'd be just as happy, actually even more, if they made Ice DPS a serious contender for DPS and gave us another staff type for magica tanking.
While I'd like them to lean fully into dpsing, when it comes to the tanking application of the skill line, changing it from how the line is currently set up will inevitably hurt either dps or tanks if they were to lean into 1 direction. I think if they want to keep this split dps/tanking/support direction, then how the line is currently set up will suffice. It's not the best at dpsing but brittle creates a niche for it to exist.
Yes but if part of the power budget wasn't split into tanking options applying brittle could be what makes Ice DPS just as viable as other destruction staves, rather than being relegated to a niche. I'm more a PvP player but I'd be willing to bet high end trail groups aren't likely to allow more than one person using Ice stave in a group and that is likely the tank applying brittle from their backbar. If it's going to be included under the destruction staff skill line it should be just as viable a damage dealing weapon in its own right.
I totally understand how you feel and it's certainly true that only 1 ice staff is generally desired in groups, however, adjusting passives away from what they are now in order to make them for dps is bound to be incredibly devisive between the 2 groups that use it. I definitely want it to be purely for dps. But I know zos doesn't have the same goal. I like to make suggestions that i think best line up with how i think zos should go about things while also keeping with what i think their vision is. Though i suppose my suggestions for winter's embrace don't do that since i don't think anyone knows what the hell is going on with that line. Not even zos themselves.
The two groups that use it are 1) DPS players that enjoy the theme and would like it to be more viable for its original role and 2) Tanks that use it because of the utility and would be just as happy, probably even happier, to use a new magica tanking stave that was designed and dedicated to the role rather than a tacked on set of passives that modified an existing DPS weapon as an afterthought that was introduced years into the games existence.
Until they show us that they are willing to make new weapons it's probably best to stick with what the general idea for the line is now
Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Thecompton73 wrote: »If Ice staves are truly meant to be for tanking/support the most sensible thing to do would be to split them off completely from the destruction staff skill line and just make them their own skill line with completely separate skills and passives.
As is it's analogous to what it would be like having S&B fall under the DW skill line with a passive that slightly changes the skills when you equip a shield instead of a second sword/axe/mace/dagger. If Ice staves are to be a legit tanking weapon they should also have a set of skills and passives dedicated to the purpose.
They do intend frost dps to exist as well so doing that would entirely cripple dps builds.
Frost DPS currently is far inferior to both lightning and fire, it's basically for RP so how exactly would that destroy any serious DPS build?
Brittle dps builds do exist and aren't a joke. But they are a bit behind other dps builds.
Brittle builds basically exist as more of a support role than a DPS role. They're there to buff the damage of the true DPS builds.
While that's true, they're also not hugely behind, themselves.
My true point is right now Ice staves are split between two roles and because of the "power budget" concept don't perform either as well as the pure options available. As I suggested in my edited post I'd be just as happy, actually even more, if they made Ice DPS a serious contender for DPS and gave us another staff type for magica tanking.
While I'd like them to lean fully into dpsing, when it comes to the tanking application of the skill line, changing it from how the line is currently set up will inevitably hurt either dps or tanks if they were to lean into 1 direction. I think if they want to keep this split dps/tanking/support direction, then how the line is currently set up will suffice. It's not the best at dpsing but brittle creates a niche for it to exist.
Yes but if part of the power budget wasn't split into tanking options applying brittle could be what makes Ice DPS just as viable as other destruction staves, rather than being relegated to a niche. I'm more a PvP player but I'd be willing to bet high end trail groups aren't likely to allow more than one person using Ice stave in a group and that is likely the tank applying brittle from their backbar. If it's going to be included under the destruction staff skill line it should be just as viable a damage dealing weapon in its own right.
I totally understand how you feel and it's certainly true that only 1 ice staff is generally desired in groups, however, adjusting passives away from what they are now in order to make them for dps is bound to be incredibly devisive between the 2 groups that use it. I definitely want it to be purely for dps. But I know zos doesn't have the same goal. I like to make suggestions that i think best line up with how i think zos should go about things while also keeping with what i think their vision is. Though i suppose my suggestions for winter's embrace don't do that since i don't think anyone knows what the hell is going on with that line. Not even zos themselves.
The two groups that use it are 1) DPS players that enjoy the theme and would like it to be more viable for its original role and 2) Tanks that use it because of the utility and would be just as happy, probably even happier, to use a new magica tanking stave that was designed and dedicated to the role rather than a tacked on set of passives that modified an existing DPS weapon as an afterthought that was introduced years into the games existence.
Until they show us that they are willing to make new weapons it's probably best to stick with what the general idea for the line is now
Given the track record for them listening to us I'd say either suggestion is about as likely to be implemented.