xFocused wrote: »

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

It's such a trash set now, doesn't even pull at point blank range. Probably time to change to rush of agony.

This. I just wrote this comment on another thread but it's definitely not working as intended lately. Animation still works but no matter the AoE skill you use to proc it, the pull just isn't there right now. I can barely get it to pull NPC's at resources. They need to either remove it completely or fix it

Yes I only noticed it after coming back from my Anniversary Jubilee box opening / cake break. It's not the known bug where it doesn't pull outside of melee range. It just doesn't pull at all most of the time, usually during lag. Guess performance has hit yet another low.

Dang it! I was hoping to go a full week without seeing a Dark Convergence or Fake Tank thread. Thank you for ruining my streak.

EdmondDontes wrote: »

As the title says, Dark Convergence still breaks PvP for everyone trying to play the game using actual skills.

It's only used by ball groups and trolls who think ranged bombing from stealth should be something that exists in a video game.

The free pull and the OP damage eliminates all player skill gaps and that just shouldn't be possible.

One solution: Get a sorc to streak the necro or the dcon user. Problem solved. I do it when on a sorc. Ruins their day. And if you launch some dots before---streak---attack again, they go down really fast. The key is to call out which one is using dcon. So, some sort of war strategy is required.

Boycott Dark Convergence. Yeah, you.

And Plaguebreak.

They are completely overtuned and frankly silly.

No place in this great game

Its much better when the lag is not horrible.

Gaeliannas wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Gaeliannas wrote: »

Ishtharo wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

As the title says, Dark Convergence still breaks PvP for everyone trying to play the game using actual skills.

It's only used by ball groups and trolls who think ranged bombing from stealth should be something that exists in a video game.

The free pull and the OP damage eliminates all player skill gaps and that just shouldn't be possible.

Hold block, sovled your problem for you.

That was easy, thanks! Now solve the lag issue so the game actually registers my block when I do it. Thanks again in advance!

It looks like he solved the lag issue for you

Guess I should have asked sooner!

You heard it here first, the lag was fixed because Gaeliannas asked for it

WordsOfPower wrote: »

Boycott Dark Convergence. Yeah, you.

And Plaguebreak.

They are completely overtuned and frankly silly.

No place in this great game

Great idea.Boycott Plaguebreak by refusing to purge and staying 8 meters away from those infected by it also boycotting Dark Convergence by performing block during the first second of the AOE.

If everyone did this together Im 100% sure they will stop using these sets.

I hasn't resulted in deaths of mine yet, just of rotations being interrupted.
I am afraid whatever they do, it might make it useless for pve, where it's so much fun to use. Even if they reduced the radius to 8 meters, it would probably become pointless already.

DizzyMac wrote: »

Block & walk out of it

Real ones blockcast right through it

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

WordsOfPower wrote: »

Boycott Dark Convergence. Yeah, you.

And Plaguebreak.

They are completely overtuned and frankly silly.

No place in this great game

I won't play with sets as out of balance as Dark Convergence and Plaguebreak. It feels like cheating to me. So I've already boycotted them. But then again I won't play an NB either in PvP because cloak during a fight feels even more like cheating to me, and it practically is cheating. Whoever thought a player being able to engage in a long term fight while also being invisible was fair in a PvP situation needs a stern talking to about what is fair game play and what is not.

Are you boycotting detection potions too?

...and there are at least 4 abilities to detect or reveal invisible opponents.

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

The trend I've noticed in all these complaint threads is casual players really hate dark convergence but vet players really hate plaguebreak. Just some food for thought.

DC is easy to deal with while not in terrible lag. Plaguebreak is easy to deal with when not around Squishies. Neither really should bother a decent player that's not in a zerg if things work right. Both are still overloaded in what they do. And things have only recently started working right.

DC is completely ignored by immovable or snow treaders which any good player or ball group uses. It is purely a zerg stomper set. The one use case where you might get lucky with it against optimized groups is if you manage to yoink in some pugs into the ball group's path and use the aforementioned pugs to VD + PB the ball.

Plaguebreak is actually ridiculously OP but most people don't seem to understand how to use it or defend against it. Outside of negate, it is the only equalizer against HP and healing that exists in the game. It is single handedly the reason why ball groups have lost so much power (no purge crutching). On top of that, a plagued group will just explode to the next burst.

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

The trend I've noticed in all these complaint threads is casual players really hate dark convergence but vet players really hate plaguebreak. Just some food for thought.

DC is easy to deal with while not in terrible lag. Plaguebreak is easy to deal with when not around Squishies. Neither really should bother a decent player that's not in a zerg if things work right. Both are still overloaded in what they do. And things have only recently started working right.

DC is completely ignored by immovable or snow treaders which any good player or ball group uses. It is purely a zerg stomper set. The one use case where you might get lucky with it against optimized groups is if you manage to yoink in some pugs into the ball group's path and use the aforementioned pugs to VD + PB the ball.

Plaguebreak is actually ridiculously OP but most people don't seem to understand how to use it or defend against it. Outside of negate, it is the only equalizer against HP and healing that exists in the game. It is single handedly the reason why ball groups have lost so much power (no purge crutching). On top of that, a plagued group will just explode to the next burst.

Imovability pots are only up a fraction of time. DC is constantly up in large fights. Snowtreaders does nothing for it other than if someone is spamming roots and slows on the bomb. But again; lag made it better than it is, and it is still overloaded regardless of effectiveness. Massive AOE Pull, stun, and damage? Yeah. Overloaded.

PB is completely controlled by decent players. They don't purge and just stack HOTs in stead. Only PUGs getting blown up become a problem. Or; when I use it and I see enemy guards around enemy players, I will hammer the guards. Good players probably are not going to be there unless they have to though. Also overloaded in that it does what VD does in a lighter sense, as well as a DOT, as well as also a purge counter.

I agree, the set is ridiculous in pvp. Even with whatever nerfs it has had it is still an extremely powerful skill that only exacerbates underlying issues in the game and is simply not fun.

I don't like proc sets in general, but this one is so bad/annoying, I just cannot fathom how the dev team designed this (and a couple of other sets) specifically for pvp. It just shows a complete lack of understanding about how pvp works in this game, or perhaps the people consulting on pvp are part of the ball groups that use sets like this to farm pugs.

I think the biggest problem with Dark Conv. (now that lag is not as bad) is the way it's used by organized groups. A set that is meant to break groups and zergs, is used most effectively by them. Some will say that's the case of a good organized group - well, that applies to every skill and set in the game. Doesn't mean it can't be denied to them for particular skills and sets that are meant to be group busters.

Doing something like limiting overlap would work wonders. I've watched these ball groups just run through a zerg, they just need to be tanky-ish, stack healing and then all arm prox-det, when 12 guys hit you with a little bit of damage, it adds up, so it doesn't even have to be hard hitting. Just add in a couple spin to win guys while half the group drops DC circles all over, it's just easy mode.

Personally, I would not allow prox-det to stack. Prox-det is meant to be used by lesser numbers against greater and I rarely see that outside of a bomber. If you are within another allies prox-det radius, then yours wouldn't count (no one could take prox det damage more than once within so many seconds). Same with Dark Conv. I'd put some sort of limitation on stacking them in an area or making you completely immune to the pull for like 30 seconds+ after breaking free from one. Last thing would be spin to win - there just should not be an AoE execute in the game lol.

I think organized groups are always going to trounce zergs and out perform them, as it should be. But if they design skills and sets to address stacked groups and don't design them so they aren't also abused by those groups, then they aren't designed well.