ESO's Content Creators are moving on

Gaeliannas · April 2022

Molydeus wrote: »

Gaeliannas wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

To say the console numbers and or pc numbers represent the entire player base, would be ridiculous. Just as it is for whatever steam shows.

Well Steam is a subset of PC players, a 20-50,000 concurrent player subset apparently. I am curious though, why you feel one platform is not representative of the overall game health? All platforms are accessing the same game, just getting there differently is all. I personally don't see a difference between them, especially judging by the feedback, all platforms seem to be experiencing all the same issues, once they are all on the same patch levels. I know people on these forums like to play the PC vs Console card all the time, but in the end, we are all playing the same core game.

Because they all have different player counts and arguably target different population groups.

Different player counts don't matter, pretty sure those that bought the game from CDKeys are in the minority, but are exacvtly the same as all other players. What do you mean by population groups though, and how exactly would being in one, affect how someone feels about the game?

Unless the different platforms somehow attract players who think completely differently than players on other platforms (other than their preference on their device to game with), there is no difference. We are all accessing the same game, it runs off the same servers, experiencing the same content, what exactly is different? Basically, I play on PC, are folks claiming if I bought and played on PS or XBox that would somehow change how I think?

Reverb · April 2022

PvE streams are a big draw when there’s new content. We’ll see more of those when High Isle content is allowed to be previewed by the stream team. We’ll see build theory crafting and parsing, and housing previews, and the like.

Outside of new content, with a few exceptions, the most compelling ESO streams and videos are pvp. Why would anyone try to stream Cyrodiil right now? Viewers don’t want to watch you disconnect mid fight and spend 10 minutes dealing with “Lost lobby connection”, “This account is already logged in”, “Error 403 Insure you have a valid internet connection”, “this account is already logged in”.

Why would anyone want to watch someone hit their ultimate 12 times and it never goes off, or break free 4 times in a row and die still stunned, or fight guards that are porting around a resource due to desyncs?

SerafinaWaterstar · April 2022

Vaoh wrote: »

LalMirchi wrote: »

Perhaps this is a good thing? IMO games should not be wagged by the tail.

I respect the vision that the creators of ESO hve established and will continue to follow the game.

What vision? Their combat balance shifts multiple times every year lmao. And fyi losing content creators is not good.

I don’t think people understand just how insanely popular this MMO would be if there weren’t so many drastic missteps being made.

This. A thousand times this.

It just feels like they are sabotaging their own success for some ridiculous reason.

sarahthes · April 2022

Molydeus wrote: »

Gaeliannas wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

To say the console numbers and or pc numbers represent the entire player base, would be ridiculous. Just as it is for whatever steam shows.

Well Steam is a subset of PC players, a 20-50,000 concurrent player subset apparently. I am curious though, why you feel one platform is not representative of the overall game health? All platforms are accessing the same game, just getting there differently is all. I personally don't see a difference between them, especially judging by the feedback, all platforms seem to be experiencing all the same issues, once they are all on the same patch levels. I know people on these forums like to play the PC vs Console card all the time, but in the end, we are all playing the same core game.

Because they all have different player counts and arguably target different population groups.

Trending is still indicative of the game's health overall even though it doesn't give absolute numbers.

Rex-Umbra · April 2022

No new PvP content since Morrowind launch. Need a complete Cyrodiil revamp to make it hot again.

Nestor · April 2022

I stream the game to myself everyday. Its called playing the game.

Why would I want to watch someone else play?

Lysette · April 2022

Nestor wrote: »

I stream the game to myself everyday. Its called playing the game.

Why would I want to watch someone else play?

It is easier to eat pizza or whatever while watching a stream than while playing yourself. With a controller it might even be rather impossible to eat pizza and play at the same time

I tend to watch street food videos while having my pizza to maximize the enjoyment of food.

StabbityDoom · April 2022

Personally I think it is cruel that people who no longer stream ESO are still on stream team. Stream team needs to be reconstructed, and I say this with no self interest since I'm not doing it anymore. There's still a few streamers, like me, who only streamed ESO, and had never been cared about. It shouldn't just be a numbers game. Loyalty should matter. Contributions should matter.

Kalik_Gold · April 2022

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

ESO came out in 2014 right? So that's like almost 8 year old mmo now? Streamers for pvp left long ago. The games integrity was and will always be questionable. Lag is punishing to the point LA's do better dmg then abilities. The PvE portions are mostly fun though so the game survives on.

The PC PvP streamers left after New World - Dottz, Fengrush etc... that was the main fall off of PC. Then the PS guys Zilla, Kerkoff, King of Gamez etc left for Elden Ring.

I don't watch PvE Streams except for twitch drops to gamble on crates for the red senche (5 years and still only got the pet).

Red_Feather · April 2022

A few of them are playing guild wars 2 now. An mmorpg that is years older than eso.

Lixiviant · April 2022

Basically, they'll be back. New content, new interest. Happens in pretty much every MMO.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO · April 2022

Gaeliannas wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

To say the console numbers and or pc numbers represent the entire player base, would be ridiculous. Just as it is for whatever steam shows.

Well Steam is a subset of PC players, a 20-50,000 concurrent player subset apparently. I am curious though, why you feel one platform is not representative of the overall game health? All platforms are accessing the same game, just getting there differently is all. I personally don't see a difference between them, especially judging by the feedback, all platforms seem to be experiencing all the same issues, once they are all on the same patch levels. I know people on these forums like to play the PC vs Console card all the time, but in the end, we are all playing the same core game.

Bottom line point is, just because 1 source shows what is typical for all games over years, does not mean it gives exact and appropriate numbers for every source. I.e..consoles......gamers not using steam.

8 years of up's and downs of player numbers, is in fact normal....for any game.

This game is not dying. It still continues to thrive and add content. Bugs? Yes. Tell me a mainstream game that doesn't have issues. Every gaming fourm I am on or have been on has the same discussions....player base dropping, too many un patched bugs, devs do not listen....yada yada. I still enjoy the game and continue to roll it....regardless of whether ppl stream their gameplay or not. I'm definitely not alone in that 🍻

This fourm only has a tiny fraction of ppl that logi n roll the game....doesn't mean we go by that to guesstimate the games 'popularity'.

StabbityDoom · April 2022

PVP'ers tend to be the first to jump on the new fun thing. Nothing wrong with that, but when they do, they should leave the stream team. It should be a consideration, too, when evaluating people for it. Who is going to stick around? Who isn't?

Onomog · April 2022

Lixiviant wrote: »

Basically, they'll be back. New content, new interest. Happens in pretty much every MMO.

I imagine ZOS singing this to themselves everytime someone talks about leaving:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrEoPDv67fE

spartaxoxo · April 2022

Personally I don't think that whether or not they also stream other things should effect stream team, as long as a good portion of their time is ESO. There certainly shouldn't be any pressure to be loyal to ESO, it just needs to account for a decent chunk of your content because obviously someone who mostly only streams like Fortnite or something is a Fortnite streamer. But it you spend a decent amount of time streaming ESO, then there should be no issue being stream team as long as you also meet whatever other criteria they have.

Jaraal · April 2022

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Personally I think it is cruel that people who no longer stream ESO are still on stream team. Stream team needs to be reconstructed, and I say this with no self interest since I'm not doing it anymore. There's still a few streamers, like me, who only streamed ESO, and had never been cared about. It shouldn't just be a numbers game. Loyalty should matter. Contributions should matter.

I'll vouch for this. I've watched Stabbity more than I have any other ESO content creator.

Malthorne · April 2022

Twitch viewers numbers of the MMOs I play/follow as of this moment:

Wow 48k
FF14: 25k
Guild wars 2: 1.8k
ESO: 1.5k

It’s crazy to see GW2 ahead of ESO

Chaos2088 · April 2022

They really need to sort out their game. PvP is just a joke now.

BlakMarket · April 2022

Mayrael wrote: »

One question. WHO CARES?

Because I sure don't. So-called content creators for me are just players who show how they play (better or worse) and are not an indicator of anything. They are just ordinary citizens like us, whose opinion has the same value. I don't care how many of them create something in ESO or any other title.

Eso content creators are a real indication of the games current state, many creators simply cannot create the content due to performance and constant bugs, even Arttea an amazing source of ESO information published a video 4 days ago titled "ESO's Performance Is Affecting My Ability To Create Content" which I will link below.

Content creators are also a voice for the player base, often bringing bugs/exploits/mechanics to light either discovering themselves or a member of their community has shared the information which in-turn leads to faster patches/hot fixes. For example an exploit last week with the Pale Order mythic item leading to 400k+ healing per tick, Nefas published the exploit and it was hot fixed within days.

Finally, Eso content creators provide another layer of community revolving something we all clearly love/enjoy, I have met players I play with almost daily in these communities. I think content creators important for the health of the game, any game tbh.

Arttea's latest video:
youtube.com/watch?v=GpKovhRpQ94

SeaGtGruff · April 2022

What I don't understand about a lot of PvP streamers is that they'll go to Cyrodiil and start looking for fights to jump into, then if they die they'll frequently start griping about how laggy the game is and that that's why they just died-- except the player(s) who just killed them didn't seem to be suffering from said lag. I don't know if that's because of their various locations around the world, or differences in their internet services, different graphics settings (video quality), different add-ons, or whatever, but it does make me wonder.

I was watching a streamer who's new to ESO and he was having trouble during the Jester's Festival with his locations loading extremely slowly. Another viewer and I suggested that he check his graphics settings and it turned out it was set all the way up to the highest setting. He reduced it a bit and it helped a bit, but it was still set much higher than I'd have gone with (mine is set to the minimum).

During one of Rich Lambert's streams, he made a comment about "draw" calls and how too many would burn out a graphics card, or something of that nature. (I think this was when someone asked him about the number of trees in Blackwood, which they thought was too low.) Aside from the fact that I don't understand how other players can even see to play the game when their screens are crowded with all sorts of icons and things put there by their add-ons, I have to wonder if having that much additional onscreen stuff being constantly drawn and updated might be interfering with how smoothly the game seems to be performing for them. I mean, I know people are never going to give up all of their add-ons, but I wonder about things like that.

neferpitou73 · April 2022

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

What I don't understand about a lot of PvP streamers is that they'll go to Cyrodiil and start looking for fights to jump into, then if they die they'll frequently start griping about how laggy the game is and that that's why they just died-- except the player(s) who just killed them didn't seem to be suffering from said lag. I don't know if that's because of their various locations around the world, or differences in their internet services, different graphics settings (video quality), different add-ons, or whatever, but it does make me wonder.

I was watching a streamer who's new to ESO and he was having trouble during the Jester's Festival with his locations loading extremely slowly. Another viewer and I suggested that he check his graphics settings and it turned out it was set all the way up to the highest setting. He reduced it a bit and it helped a bit, but it was still set much higher than I'd have gone with (mine is set to the minimum).

During one of Rich Lambert's streams, he made a comment about "draw" calls and how too many would burn out a graphics card, or something of that nature. (I think this was when someone asked him about the number of trees in Blackwood, which they thought was too low.) Aside from the fact that I don't understand how other players can even see to play the game when their screens are crowded with all sorts of icons and things put there by their add-ons, I have to wonder if having that much additional onscreen stuff being constantly drawn and updated might be interfering with how smoothly the game seems to be performing for them. I mean, I know people are never going to give up all of their add-ons, but I wonder about things like that.

Oftentimes Lag happens for one player and not the other (I made a thread a while back of my group being frozen in place from lag while an enemy group ran through us). Then there's also the fact that usually the person who attacks first often gets their skills off before the other other person even registers being hit due to server desync.

Lower graphics settings can help a bit. But this seems to depend on the player in my experience. For some players there really is a problem with too high graphics, on the other hand I know people playing on good set ups with the lowest possible graphics still getting abysmally low fps.

As to the topic of the thread, while I don't really pay attention to a lot of content creators it doesn't seem like a sign of a healthy game. But what's infinitely more damaging than them leaving is the reason: the game doesn't work. If they were leaving because they were bored, meh, whatever, people move on. But the fact that so many people who have invested years' worth of time and money into this game have decided to call it quits should signal to ZoS that people are losing patience with these issues; and that they need to be fixed lest ESO's player retention plummet.

StabbityDoom · April 2022

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Personally I think it is cruel that people who no longer stream ESO are still on stream team. Stream team needs to be reconstructed, and I say this with no self interest since I'm not doing it anymore. There's still a few streamers, like me, who only streamed ESO, and had never been cared about. It shouldn't just be a numbers game. Loyalty should matter. Contributions should matter.

@ZOS_GinaBruno reached out to me to let me know they do audit streamers and if we see people who haven't played eso in a long time we should reach out to them. I appreciate this Gina and apologize for making any statements that caused you any grief about this. I appreciate the communication.

Turns out - and I'll quote a friend here - "There are many stream team members on the page who haven't stream on twitch in years. The actuality, they are on youtube. The links should be updated to the correct platform, because If anyone clicks on the link and finds a stream member twitch channel inactive then it comes across as a bunch of people on the list not streaming.." thank you Qrähe - and this is why I made the mistake, sorry folks.

BlakMarket · April 2022

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

What I don't understand about a lot of PvP streamers is that they'll go to Cyrodiil and start looking for fights to jump into, then if they die they'll frequently start griping about how laggy the game is and that that's why they just died-- except the player(s) who just killed them didn't seem to be suffering from said lag. I don't know if that's because of their various locations around the world, or differences in their internet services, different graphics settings (video quality), different add-ons, or whatever, but it does make me wonder.

I was watching a streamer who's new to ESO and he was having trouble during the Jester's Festival with his locations loading extremely slowly. Another viewer and I suggested that he check his graphics settings and it turned out it was set all the way up to the highest setting. He reduced it a bit and it helped a bit, but it was still set much higher than I'd have gone with (mine is set to the minimum).

During one of Rich Lambert's streams, he made a comment about "draw" calls and how too many would burn out a graphics card, or something of that nature. (I think this was when someone asked him about the number of trees in Blackwood, which they thought was too low.) Aside from the fact that I don't understand how other players can even see to play the game when their screens are crowded with all sorts of icons and things put there by their add-ons, I have to wonder if having that much additional onscreen stuff being constantly drawn and updated might be interfering with how smoothly the game seems to be performing for them. I mean, I know people are never going to give up all of their add-ons, but I wonder about things like that.

Most pvp streamers look to fight outnumbered, often fighting 1-5 player at once. If 1-2 skills doesn't go off, you will die because of the pressure/damage from those players.

I myself enjoy that style of pvp, and at this point 50-80% of my deaths while pvp'ing will be simply because I cant heal myself, after pressing an ability 5 times to no avail. I love this game and wish it would perform like 99% of games in 2022.

spartaxoxo · April 2022

StabbityDoom wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Personally I think it is cruel that people who no longer stream ESO are still on stream team. Stream team needs to be reconstructed, and I say this with no self interest since I'm not doing it anymore. There's still a few streamers, like me, who only streamed ESO, and had never been cared about. It shouldn't just be a numbers game. Loyalty should matter. Contributions should matter.

ZOS_GinaBruno reached out to me to let me know they do audit streamers and if we see people who haven't played eso in a long time we should reach out to them. I appreciate this Gina and apologize for making any statements that caused you any grief about this. I appreciate the communication.

Turns out - and I'll quote a friend here - "There are many stream team members on the page who haven't stream on twitch in years. The actuality, they are on youtube. The links should be updated to the correct platform, because If anyone clicks on the link and finds a stream member twitch channel inactive then it comes across as a bunch of people on the list not streaming.." thank you Qrähe - and this is why I made the mistake, sorry folks.

Thanks for sharing this! I'm glad it turns out they are streaming ESO. Personally, I also think you should have been a stream team member if you weren't already, your videos are very helpful.

Jaraal · April 2022

Malthorne wrote: »

It’s crazy to see GW2 ahead of ESO

They have less bugs, less yo-yo balancing, less deletion of core gameplay, and better server performance.

Not crazy at all.

kamimark · April 2022

Moving on? Never were, and sure aren't now. I look at my Twitch page, and see:

- Animal Crossing: 2.4K viewers
- Genshin Impact: 9.4K viewers
- Minecraft: 17.1K viewers
- Elder Scrolls Online: 688 viewers
- World of Warcraft: 17.5K viewers

(and it's past most Minecrafters' bedtimes, it's higher in day)

Less than 4% in ESO as MC or WoW.

BazOfWar · April 2022

Most of the streamers and youtuber's I follow have done exactly the same too, one in particular tried for a long time to engage with Zos about Glaring issues and was ignored. Most of them have now decided they are flogging a dead horse.

And if we here are expected to believe that the game code is being completely re-written from the ground up then Zos is taking us all for fools.

Cardhwion · April 2022

Synaptic wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed how a lot of ESO's youtubers/streamers, especially those that focused on PvP have moved on to greener pastures in the wake of Update 33 ?

If you'll go on Twitch you'll notice most of the streamers there are PvP players who try their best to make interesting and fun builds and theorycraft along with their respective communities only to then go in Cyrodiil and be faced with severe performance issues which is just bad publicity for the game as a whole if you ask me.

It feels like every other ESO youtuber I watch has some gripe with the game, be it performance or the lack of balancing.

And it's hard to blame them. During streams developers have talked about how one of this game's strength's is PvP, specifically the three faction war in Cyrodiil. Meanwhile Cyrodiil hasn't received any significant updates in 8 years which to me is weird considering that statement. But I guess we all know how the devs really feel about the PvP community as many of us have seen their reaction on a certain Dev's stream when questioned on this topic.

Performance issues aside it's also strange how they barely ever add incentives such as earnable mounts or skins for PvP but you can find all these and more in PvE with every new update, not to mention all the store items.
Let's be honest, the Dragonguard Berserker style for example is not a PvP style, it's a style that can be obtained from a PvP area just by killing the mobs there, no PvP required.

There's also the matter of how badly Update 33 broke PvP.
I won't go into class specifics but everyone's running around with resto staves on their backbar, with insane survivability and no one dies anymore in PvP
I've had multiple occasions where I would run into someone in Imperial City, we would fight for about 20 minutes and then we'd both give up on the fight and go about or day because we simply couldn't kill each other, maybe if we fought for another 20minutes and one of us made a mistake or failed to reapply buffs/heals. And this happens a lot for other people as well (unless you're a Caluurion Stamblade and you find someone that doesn't have 100% upkeep on their buffs)
And we knew this would happen, the PTS feedback thread was full of people suggesting this would make the PvP meta worse than it already was yet they implemented everything without making any changes at all anyway.

And I understand the PvP community is considerably smaller because I know some comments will point this out but I still think that's not an excuse for the complete neglect it's seen over the years in a game that used to pride itself on the PvP aspect.

I'm trying my best not to be negative because despite everything I still think it's a great game but I just feel like as a community we should point these things out more in hopes of having them looked at (at the very least) by the developers.

Seen recent vidoes from Hack the Minotaur, Deltia and others. So seems okay.

Cardhwion · April 2022

blktauna wrote: »

Except it's not a 'break' its leaving in anger. Had New world not been crap, half the pvp pop of cyrodil would have permanently moved on. There's just nothing on the map that offers anything comparable yet. Yet being the operative word.

I would prefer ESO get their *** together because this is the best thing going, the best PVP (when it works), the best lore and history and I wish it worked properly because they'd really have more players than they know what to do with. As it is now I started playing SWTOR and split my time because every time I try to play ESO, something is so busted I can't. We wnt to play. Really.

Same for the streamers. I know some folks don't get it but I love watching them. Some do community nights where you can hop in and do dungeons with people far better than you to get that gear or achievement you want, some make you laugh with random pugging (you learn what not to do and its a riot), there's the housing folks doing what they do, some just fish and chat about lore... You can learn alot and kudos to them for teaching.

SWTOR isn't that PVP Strong either, even if you count galactic starfighter into the mix. And don't even mention Huttball.

StabbityDoom · April 2022

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Thanks for sharing this! I'm glad it turns out they are streaming ESO. Personally, I also think you should have been a stream team member if you weren't already, your videos are very helpful.

When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. So I admitted it. Thanks. I applied several times to ST, but it didn't happen. I will continue to contribute any way I can, because I love the community. I'm here if you have any questions.