ESO's Content Creators are moving on

Synaptic

Has anyone else noticed how a lot of ESO's youtubers/streamers, especially those that focused on PvP have moved on to greener pastures in the wake of Update 33 ?

If you'll go on Twitch you'll notice most of the streamers there are PvP players who try their best to make interesting and fun builds and theorycraft along with their respective communities only to then go in Cyrodiil and be faced with severe performance issues which is just bad publicity for the game as a whole if you ask me.

It feels like every other ESO youtuber I watch has some gripe with the game, be it performance or the lack of balancing.

And it's hard to blame them. During streams developers have talked about how one of this game's strength's is PvP, specifically the three faction war in Cyrodiil. Meanwhile Cyrodiil hasn't received any significant updates in 8 years which to me is weird considering that statement. But I guess we all know how the devs really feel about the PvP community as many of us have seen their reaction on a certain Dev's stream when questioned on this topic.

Performance issues aside it's also strange how they barely ever add incentives such as earnable mounts or skins for PvP but you can find all these and more in PvE with every new update, not to mention all the store items.
Let's be honest, the Dragonguard Berserker style for example is not a PvP style, it's a style that can be obtained from a PvP area just by killing the mobs there, no PvP required.

There's also the matter of how badly Update 33 broke PvP.
I won't go into class specifics but everyone's running around with resto staves on their backbar, with insane survivability and no one dies anymore in PvP
I've had multiple occasions where I would run into someone in Imperial City, we would fight for about 20 minutes and then we'd both give up on the fight and go about or day because we simply couldn't kill each other, maybe if we fought for another 20minutes and one of us made a mistake or failed to reapply buffs/heals. And this happens a lot for other people as well (unless you're a Caluurion Stamblade and you find someone that doesn't have 100% upkeep on their buffs)
And we knew this would happen, the PTS feedback thread was full of people suggesting this would make the PvP meta worse than it already was yet they implemented everything without making any changes at all anyway.

And I understand the PvP community is considerably smaller because I know some comments will point this out but I still think that's not an excuse for the complete neglect it's seen over the years in a game that used to pride itself on the PvP aspect.

I'm trying my best not to be negative because despite everything I still think it's a great game but I just feel like as a community we should point these things out more in hopes of having them looked at (at the very least) by the developers.

ShawnLaRock

Even official Stream Team Members on Twitch are increasingly vocal about their dissatisfaction; logging into ESO less, in favour of streaming other games; and many who are still listed as being on the team, are simply awol.

Why is it being allowed to slide this far down?

S.

Grandchamp1989

Hmmmm...

Disclaimer:
This is my personal opinion, observation and experience, please take it with a grain of salt.

For me the only reason to watch ESO on twitch etc. is PvP.

Seeing someone questing in super easy overland where things, almost, die when you look at it is not my idea of exciting content.
Some very few stream hardmode trials, but with limited commentary as a result.

I think the best streaming content.. again IMO... is PvP content as it offer challenge, reactions and commentary.

But I rarely tune in to watch it anymore.
I believe Arttea just made a video regarding her not being able to make content? Something like that..

In my opinion we need PvP.
Make people who watch 1v10 be like "Wow, how he doing that?!"

But yeah.. Seems the content creator's are toning it down... Makes me sad if true OP.
But could be I'm wrong.. Again take this opinion piece with a grain of salt.

Synaptic

I completely agree.

In my opinion PvP is the most interesting/entertaining ESO related content I can watch on Twitch.tv or even Youtube

But lately streamers and youtubers can't showcase their builds because they're constantly faced with severe performance issues, and this has been a problem even outside of Cyrodiil as Arttea's video pointed out.

I also think it's a bit strange than when developers stream they mainly stick to PvE content like running dungeons as if to avoid showcasing the major issues in Cyrodiil.

VaranisArano

Synaptic wrote: »

I completely agree.

In my opinion PvP is the most interesting/entertaining ESO related content I can watch on Twitch.tv or even Youtube

But lately streamers and youtubers can't showcase their builds because they're constantly faced with severe performance issues, and this has been a problem even outside of Cyrodiil as Arttea's video pointed out.

I also think it's a bit strange than when developers stream they mainly stick to PvE content like running dungeons as if to avoid showcasing the major issues in Cyrodiil.

PVE content is a lot easier to coordinate on a limited schedule, guarantees that you have control over the content you stream, and advertises your game's latest stuff.for sale.

PVP is good streamer content because it's never quite the same twice, but it's not necessarily ideal for Devs looking to showcase areas of their game for more reasons than just performance.

Katheriah

Synaptic wrote: »

If you'll go on Twitch you'll notice most of the streamers there are PvP players who try their best to make interesting and fun builds and theorycraft along with their respective communities only to then go in Cyrodiil and be faced with severe performance issues which is just bad publicity for the game as a whole if you ask me.

PvP is fun right until the moment you enter Cyrodiil. You're coming up with this new build, thinking of a nice combo en the moment you actually start using it you find yourself swapping skills because they just don't fire.

Synaptic wrote: »

But I guess we all know how the devs really feel about the PvP community as many of us have seen their reaction on a certain Dev's stream when questioned on this topic.

This moment made things painfully clear... But at least we know where we stand and not to expect too much...
Did they ever respond to that (besides not streaming anymore?).

The_Lex

Katheriah wrote: »

Synaptic wrote: »

But I guess we all know how the devs really feel about the PvP community as many of us have seen their reaction on a certain Dev's stream when questioned on this topic.

This moment made things painfully clear... But at least we know where we stand and not to expect too much...
Did they ever respond to that (besides not streaming anymore?).

Sadly, no. They came out with a stock “we’re working on it” post. But nothing about the stream in question. They’re moving forward as if it didn’t happen.

Katheriah

I will pretend I do not find that typical...

LalMirchi

Perhaps this is a good thing? IMO games should not be wagged by the tail.

I respect the vision that the creators of ESO hve established and will continue to follow the game.

Cuddlypuff

ESO isn't a very good "streaming" game. From a viewer's perspective, it's just not very exciting, competitive or educational. Usually the most popular steamers are just doing super casual stuff in chill streams, which appears to appeal to the target market these days. The only content I've watched related to ESO lately has just been the odd PVP build video here and there.

BalticBlues

Synaptic wrote: »

I won't go into class specifics but everyone's running around with resto staves on their backbar, with insane survivability and no one dies anymore in PvP

Indeed, even my Stamina Werewolf now is a backbar Healer.
When Stamina is king everywhere, in damage and healing, who needs Healers?

To me, U33 killed meaningful roles in PvP.
Stamina is the one way to rule 'em all now.

Lazarus_Rising

Unkillable self heal tank builds were always in game and are the most defended playstyle by the pvp community. The only time i can remember, when there was no super tanky meta was in elsweyr because of the dots. Then there was such an outcry since nobody wanted to equip purge because it did interfere with the OP playstyle.

Gaeliannas

LalMirchi wrote: »

Perhaps this is a good thing? IMO games should not be wagged by the tail.

I respect the vision that the creators of ESO hve established and will continue to follow the game.

What do you see this "vision" as? From my perspective, their vision seems to be to make as much profit from as little re-investment as possible, all while hoping it all doesn't completely melt down in the meantime Then feed players a yearly line about how they are working on improving it, and hope enough players buy it so they can stick with the vision.

I am pretty much hoping they change their vision really soon.

Synaptic

Lazarus_Rising wrote: »

Unkillable self heal tank builds were always in game and are the most defended playstyle by the pvp community. The only time i can remember, when there was no super tanky meta was in elsweyr because of the dots. Then there was such an outcry since nobody wanted to equip purge because it did interfere with the OP playstyle.

That's true, the "tank meta" has always been around but now they've chosen to homogenize classes and kill class identity as someone already mentioned rather than working on some of the class skills/morphs that are useless in most cases.

LalMirchi wrote: »

Perhaps this is a good thing? IMO games should not be wagged by the tail.

I respect the vision that the creators of ESO hve established and will continue to follow the game.

I'm not trying to say the game or it's content is bad by any means but we have to at least recognize that content creators/streamers are a driving force when it comes to bringing in new players, this is true for most games nowadays.

I just hope their "vision" is not to continue ignoring the performance and balancing aspects of the game in favor of pushing more store items and furnishing related content cause it feels like that's mostly what we've been getting lately.

SerafinaWaterstar

The only time I know of when people in my various guilds actually watch any of these “content creators 🤣🤣” is when there are drops enabled.

Still not understanding why they are a thing…..

Kiralyn2000

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Still not understanding why they are a thing…..

Yep. I don't get this whole streaming thing. Let alone why it should be 1) an indication of a game's health; or 2) a job you can earn a living at.


/oldmanyellsatcloud

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

Simple really.

The more games they roll...the more ppl they will have sub...the more money they sponge from those ppl.

Every game has up's n downs with patches, updates, maintenance, new content etc etc.... (i.e...I'm having issues logging in from my NA PS5 now)

Whoever those "content creators" are, should understand one thing....the fans of this game will roll, regardless if they turn their cams on or not.

Like one person said.....I only tolerate them when there's drops.

Synaptic

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Simple really.

The more games they roll...the more ppl they will have sub...the more money they sponge from those ppl.

Every game has up's n downs with patches, updates, maintenance, new content etc etc.... (i.e...I'm having issues logging in from my NA PS5 now)

Whoever those "content creators" are, should understand one thing....the fans of this game will roll, regardless if they turn their cams on or not.

Like one person said.....I only tolerate them when there's drops.

Let's be honest, as a streamer there's very little monetary incentive to play/stream this game as it's at the bottom of the Twitch Games list, there's way better alternatives if that's your only objective.

The youtubers that have been putting out ESO related videos for years now are in fact fans of the game like you and I but even they're finding it hard to stick with the game through all the promises of better performance and fixes but very little results. I just think that's worrying and a pretty clear indication on the current state of the game.

Gaeliannas

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Still not understanding why they are a thing…..

Yep. I don't get this whole streaming thing. Let alone why it should be 1) an indication of a game's health; or 2) a job you can earn a living at.


/oldmanyellsatcloud

Not into streamers myself, but they are an indicator of a games health. Apparently enough folks do watch them that some make hundreds of thousands a year doing it. In order to do that, you need to have folks watching and engaged. While a big piece of that is the streamers ability to entertain and engage their audience, the backdrop is a game, which folks need to enjoy playing as well. When folks stop enjoying a game, the views drop off, the income disappears, and they are forced to move on to a new game that viewers are engaged in.

LalMirchi

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Still not understanding why they are a thing…..

Yep. I don't get this whole streaming thing. Let alone why it should be 1) an indication of a game's health; or 2) a job you can earn a living at.
...

Old Abba quote from "our" times

Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich man's world

However, streaming is free and OBS Link is really great for recording your gameplay as well. This is a good way to earn a living, like many others.

TwistedEvil

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

The only time I know of when people in my various guilds actually watch any of these “content creators 🤣🤣” is when there are drops enabled.

Still not understanding why they are a thing…..

🤣 No kidding! Everyone I play with only mentions them when there are drops. I wouldn't put ANY stock into their 'change of streaming habits' 😂😂😂

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

Synaptic wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Simple really.

The more games they roll...the more ppl they will have sub...the more money they sponge from those ppl.

Every game has up's n downs with patches, updates, maintenance, new content etc etc.... (i.e...I'm having issues logging in from my NA PS5 now)

Whoever those "content creators" are, should understand one thing....the fans of this game will roll, regardless if they turn their cams on or not.

Like one person said.....I only tolerate them when there's drops.

Let's be honest, as a streamer there's very little monetary incentive to play/stream this game as it's at the bottom of the Twitch Games list, there's way better alternatives if that's your only objective.

The youtubers that have been putting out ESO related videos for years now are in fact fans of the game like you and I but even they're finding it hard to stick with the game through all the promises of better performance and fixes but very little results. I just think that's worrying and a pretty clear indication on the current state of the game.

No.

Wolfpaw

PvP streamers have been falling off the last few years. It's unfortunate as they had the biggest streaming ESO communities that helped grow the success of this game and community.

TwistedEvil

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Synaptic wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Simple really.

The more games they roll...the more ppl they will have sub...the more money they sponge from those ppl.

Every game has up's n downs with patches, updates, maintenance, new content etc etc.... (i.e...I'm having issues logging in from my NA PS5 now)

Whoever those "content creators" are, should understand one thing....the fans of this game will roll, regardless if they turn their cams on or not.

Like one person said.....I only tolerate them when there's drops.

Let's be honest, as a streamer there's very little monetary incentive to play/stream this game as it's at the bottom of the Twitch Games list, there's way better alternatives if that's your only objective.

The youtubers that have been putting out ESO related videos for years now are in fact fans of the game like you and I but even they're finding it hard to stick with the game through all the promises of better performance and fixes but very little results. I just think that's worrying and a pretty clear indication on the current state of the game.

No.

🤣🤣 I guess that says it all. I'm literally crying. A truly perfect reply 😂

Synaptic

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

PvP streamers have been falling off the last few years. It's unfortunate as they had the biggest streaming ESO communities that helped grow the success of this game and community.

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No one's rattled mate, you're the only one here trying to take make this into something it's not.

Content creators like youtubers and streamers are leaving, and they're not the only ones.

The game has been plagued with increasingly severe performance as well as balancing issues. This is not made up or imagined, it's well documented and available for everyone to see if they chose. There's even exploits out there that have been present in the game for months and have gone unfixed.

We get it, you're a die-hard fan, I'm a fan myself and that's precisely why I think things like this should be discussed rather than ignored or swept under the rug.

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defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

Synaptic wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

PvP streamers have been falling off the last few years. It's unfortunate as they had the biggest streaming ESO communities that helped grow the success of this game and community.

[snip]

[snip]

No one's rattled mate, you're the only one here trying to take make this into something it's not.

Content creators like youtubers and streamers are leaving, and they're not the only ones.

The game has been plagued with increasingly severe performance as well as balancing issues. This is not made up or imagined, it's well documented and available for everyone to see if they chose. There's even exploits out there that have been present in the game for months and have gone unfixed.

We get it, you're a die-hard fan, I'm a fan myself and that's precisely why I think things like this should be discussed rather than ignored or swept under the rug.

Im just being real. There is not 1 game (mainstream games) that doesn't experience issues...i.e....'the sky is falling ppl' that blast on the games fourms saying 'the game is dying' etc etc etc...

This game is no different than others. It's just the way things go. Good times and bad times....part of life. As I mentioned earlier, I'm having issues logging from my ps5.

That does not indicate the further demise of the game. Streamers or no streamers...this game will survive...and thrive 😎

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Synaptic

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Synaptic wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

PvP streamers have been falling off the last few years. It's unfortunate as they had the biggest streaming ESO communities that helped grow the success of this game and community.

[snip]

[snip]

No one's rattled mate, you're the only one here trying to take make this into something it's not.

Content creators like youtubers and streamers are leaving, and they're not the only ones.

The game has been plagued with increasingly severe performance as well as balancing issues. This is not made up or imagined, it's well documented and available for everyone to see if they chose. There's even exploits out there that have been present in the game for months and have gone unfixed.

We get it, you're a die-hard fan, I'm a fan myself and that's precisely why I think things like this should be discussed rather than ignored or swept under the rug.

Im just being real. There is not 1 game (mainstream games) that doesn't experience issues...i.e....'the sky is falling ppl' that blast on the games fourms saying 'the game is dying' etc etc etc...

This game is no different than others. It's just the way things go. Good times and bad times....part of life. As I mentioned earlier, I'm having issues logging from my ps5.

That does not indicate the further demise of the game. Streamers or no streamers...this game will survive...and thrive 😎

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It hasn't been thriving in a long time but let's agree to disagree.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

Synaptic wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Synaptic wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

PvP streamers have been falling off the last few years. It's unfortunate as they had the biggest streaming ESO communities that helped grow the success of this game and community.

[snip]

[snip]

No one's rattled mate, you're the only one here trying to take make this into something it's not.

Content creators like youtubers and streamers are leaving, and they're not the only ones.

The game has been plagued with increasingly severe performance as well as balancing issues. This is not made up or imagined, it's well documented and available for everyone to see if they chose. There's even exploits out there that have been present in the game for months and have gone unfixed.

We get it, you're a die-hard fan, I'm a fan myself and that's precisely why I think things like this should be discussed rather than ignored or swept under the rug.

Im just being real. There is not 1 game (mainstream games) that doesn't experience issues...i.e....'the sky is falling ppl' that blast on the games fourms saying 'the game is dying' etc etc etc...

This game is no different than others. It's just the way things go. Good times and bad times....part of life. As I mentioned earlier, I'm having issues logging from my ps5.

That does not indicate the further demise of the game. Streamers or no streamers...this game will survive...and thrive 😎

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It hasn't been thriving in a long time but let's agree to disagree.

Yes, it has.

We do disagree...I will agree to that 👍

ADarklore

The problem I think we are having is that when a content streamer (PVE especially) posts builds or finds success with certain skills... ZOS sees it and then nerfs those skills (it happened recently to Carve and Stampede). So why bother spending your time to offer builds if ZOS is just going to turn around and nerf those skills making those builds, and therefore your time, pointless?!?

Further, I think a lot of people are also playing other games, Elden Ring comes to mind. There has to reach a point in a streamer's life where streaming THE SAME content over and over and over gets old... so it doesn't surprise me that PVP streamers would need a break or move on.

newtinmpls

ADarklore wrote: »

The problem I think we are having is that when a content streamer (PVE especially) posts builds or finds success with certain skills... ZOS sees it and then nerfs those skills (it happened recently to Carve and Stampede). So why bother spending your time to offer builds if ZOS is just going to turn around and nerf those skills making those builds, and therefore your time, pointless?!?

I don't know enough to agree or disagree, but on an unofficial "this is my opinion" note, that's what it looks like to me.

As for the "I watch streams to get drops" all that does (for me, anyway) is firm up my notion that Crates are a bad "gamble" as it's been YEARS since I got anything but "potions, poisons and mimic stones" from any crates. With this level of "sample" it's kept me off the product.

Hmm..wait I think I did get the Senche cub of regret - that's got to have been in the past year.

blktauna

Except it's not a 'break' its leaving in anger. Had New world not been crap, half the pvp pop of cyrodil would have permanently moved on. There's just nothing on the map that offers anything comparable yet. Yet being the operative word.

I would prefer ESO get their *** together because this is the best thing going, the best PVP (when it works), the best lore and history and I wish it worked properly because they'd really have more players than they know what to do with. As it is now I started playing SWTOR and split my time because every time I try to play ESO, something is so busted I can't. We wnt to play. Really.

Same for the streamers. I know some folks don't get it but I love watching them. Some do community nights where you can hop in and do dungeons with people far better than you to get that gear or achievement you want, some make you laugh with random pugging (you learn what not to do and its a riot), there's the housing folks doing what they do, some just fish and chat about lore... You can learn alot and kudos to them for teaching.