With the ongoing discussion and concerns about the effects of account-wide achievements on player character identity and questing experience, I figured I'd bring a little more visibility to the results of the testing I did in
this thread. My general conclusion is that things aren't that bad, and while I wasn't able to get conclusive results on things like ambient NPC comments and achievement-related random encounters, quest-related NPC interactions seem to be properly character-specific.
The main point of concern is the potential for NPCs to react to achievements that have been inherited from other character(s) rather than only addressing things an individual character has done themselves - for example, Character A earned an achievement for defeating Evil Wizard Macguffin, and Character B is hailed as Macguffin's Bane even though they never met the guy. My testing involved taking relatively inexperienced alts around and talking to NPCs whose dialogue may include references to earlier quests or interactions. Since my main character has earned lots and lots of achievements that have subsequently been inherited by my alts, it was easy to see whether or not the NPCs would react to those inherited achievements that the alts had nothing to do with.
All testing done on live; PC/NA except where noted. Screencaps and discussion found
here,
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here. Testing not done by me personally is reported with a link to the original tester's post.
Conclusively found to be working improperly:- Undaunted ghost in the Hollow City tavern addresses level 31 alt as Undaunted who has completed Vaults of Madness, even though she has not unlocked the Undaunted skill line and has not completed Vaults of Madness.
- Alts are not able to eat mammoth cheese at giant camps in Western Skyrim after the "Giant Cheese Connoisseur" achievement is obtained.
- As reported here, character who has never been Emperor/Empress can claim to have been such in White-Gold Tower.
- As reported here, the NPC involved in a post-quest conversation after the Dark Heart of Skyrim epilogue does not appear for alts after the "Taking up the Mantle" achievement is obtained.
- As reported here, the NPC involved in a post-quest conversation after the Season of the Dragon epilogue does not appear for alts after the "A Hero's Song" achievement is obtained.
- As reported here, Melina Cassel may appear in the Reach after the "A Friend in Deed" achievement is obtained, but her conversations cannot be repeated on alts. When she does appear after the achievement has been obtained, the "E" prompt to interact with her doesn't do anything. (As clarified here, she already behaved that way for characters who already had the achievement, but now this behavior is account-wide after the achievement has been granted.)
- As reported here, the city of Orsinium immediately appears to be fully built-up for alts new to the zone, rather than being built up progressively as each character goes through the questline.
Confirmed to be working properly (i.e. NPC interactions are based on individual character's progress rather than inherited achievements):- Dialogue related to Dark Brotherhood membership in the Blackwood main questline reflects character's actual membership status.
- DLC and prologue quest-starters appear if character has not completed their quests.
- Mel Adrys In Hrota Cave, Gold Coast (notices if you’re a vampire and if you completed certain parts of the AD main quest)
- Niralin in Archon’s Grove, Summerset (notices if you’re a werewolf)
- Gabrielle Benele in Anvil, Gold Coast and Solitude, Western Skyrim (comments on a lost party member from the base game main quest)
- Zhasim in Southern Elsweyr (comments if you met him in Wrothgar)
- Valsirenn in the Deadlands (comments if you met her in Summerset)
- Numerous references to quests in Daggerfall and Elden Root, reflecting pre-quest status for quests not completed by the character.
- Fennorian in Western Skyrim (comments if you met him in Unhallowed Grave or the old Greymoor tutorial)
- Lyris in Western Skyrim (comments if you met her in the base game main quest, Icereach, or the Greymoor prologue)
- Za'ji in Shipwright's Regret (comments if you met him in Southern Elsweyr)
Likely to be working improperly but probably not related to AWA:- Character who has done no prior Dark Heart of Skyrim content gets dialogue options in two different conversations with Lyris during "The Gathering Storm" quest in Western Skyrim that refer to earlier experience with the Icereach Coven. This likely refers to events in the old Greymoor tutorial quest "Bound in Blood," which the character has not done. There is no achievement associated with the old Greymoor tutorial, so there would be nothing to inherit from other characters. Worth noting that there are alternate dialogue options to sidestep references to events that do not apply to the character.
Inconclusive based on my testing, but I have not seen any improper results so I remain hopeful:- Ambient NPC comments related to group dungeon completion (with exception noted above).
- Character who has completed only a handful of group dungeons only heard a comment about one dungeon she has completed. Uncertain if comments about other dungeons may appear.
- Ambient NPC comments related to quest completion.
- Character who has done basically no quests outside of group dungeons never heard any comments related to quests that other characters have completed. Uncertain if any such comments may appear.
This one just confuses me:- Tarnamir in Russafeld, Summerset (notices if you’re in the Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood)
- Character with TG skill line unlocked and full loadout of inherited achievements was identified as a criminal; another character (on PC/EU) with only basic achievements inherited did not get criminal dialogue both with and without TG skill line unlocked. Currently theorizing that dialogue trigger comes from an advanced achievement possibly related to questline completion; however, as reported
here, on PS5 a character with 0 DB quest completion and the full DB skill line unlocked via Crown Store also got the criminal dialogue. Worth noting that even characters with the criminal-related dialogue option can choose a different option to sidestep mention of the organizations.
Not tested:- Random encounters such as Choixth and the Adoring Admirer. (Melina Cassel has been tested.)
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