kringled_1 wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Kesstryl wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

So what you are actually saying is that people overreacted on the forums???? I'm shocked...

Is it wrong to hold ZOS as a triple AAA company to the very standards the game started with as to keep immersion and have access to all quests no matter how trivial?

Would saying that the entire game is unrepeatable, everything is broken and I can't even play the game anymore an overreaction?

While there's only a relatively small amount of content that is truly unrepeatable, for many people the game has lost a lot of repeatability.
I used to try to get the vet dungeon achievements (ND/HM/SR) across multiple characters/roles/classes when it fit in. Now the game will no longer acknowledge that I've repeated the run, and my ability to track these is greatly diminished.
Similar for World Bosses. While they're certainly still there on the map to be fought, I have no tracking other than the achievements which say I've killed almost every single WB in the game.
Delves have been gutted. I went through 20-25 delves about a week ago for skyshards. Prior to update 33, I would have fought a boss in every single one. This time? I found 2 bosses alive. I'm not waiting for longer than it took me to go through the rest of the delve for a respawn, so for me delves are now just a skyshard with trash mobs. (I know delve bosses aren't particularly challenging, but at least they had a name).

Look, I understand your point, I just think the reactions of a lot of people here are over reactions. As to your WB and delve issues, why don't you use the zone guide? It is still character specific.

Lumsdenml wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Kesstryl wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

So what you are actually saying is that people overreacted on the forums???? I'm shocked...

Is it wrong to hold ZOS as a triple AAA company to the very standards the game started with as to keep immersion and have access to all quests no matter how trivial?

Would saying that the entire game is unrepeatable, everything is broken and I can't even play the game anymore an overreaction?

While there's only a relatively small amount of content that is truly unrepeatable, for many people the game has lost a lot of repeatability.
I used to try to get the vet dungeon achievements (ND/HM/SR) across multiple characters/roles/classes when it fit in. Now the game will no longer acknowledge that I've repeated the run, and my ability to track these is greatly diminished.
Similar for World Bosses. While they're certainly still there on the map to be fought, I have no tracking other than the achievements which say I've killed almost every single WB in the game.
Delves have been gutted. I went through 20-25 delves about a week ago for skyshards. Prior to update 33, I would have fought a boss in every single one. This time? I found 2 bosses alive. I'm not waiting for longer than it took me to go through the rest of the delve for a respawn, so for me delves are now just a skyshard with trash mobs. (I know delve bosses aren't particularly challenging, but at least they had a name).

Look, I understand your point, I just think the reactions of a lot of people here are over reactions. As to your WB and delve issues, why don't you use the zone guide? It is still character specific.

The zone guide is only character specific where there is underlying data. For World bosses, two things are tracked: Map discovery which is character specific, and completion, which is only tracked by achievement and now account wide.
With addons disabled, when logged into my crafter character, if I look at the zone guide for Backwood, it shows me as having 6/6 world bosses complete, even though only 3 of them are shown on the map (the other 3 are not discovered).
That character has never fought a single WB in Blackwood; has only been in Blackwood to pick up surveys and dig antiquities.

Delves have the same issue - completion is now tracked account wide - but it is compounded there.
Delve bosses have an accelerated spawn mechanic - if a player who has not completed the delve approaches the boss area, the boss will spawn almost immediately if its not already alive. Prior to update 33, this meant that any time a character went into a delve for the first time to get the skyshard, they could also kill the boss. Now, as long as any character on the account has completed the delve, its marked as account wide and so you just have to wait a few minutes for the boss to spawn. But unless I'm farming something specific from that boss, I'm not going to hang out by the spawn location for longer than it took me to run in and out of the delve.
So the zone guide is not an automatic solution, because it is only character specific for some features.
Quest and discovery only features (wayshrines, striking locales, set stations) are character specific, as are skyshards and lore books. Delves, world bosses, and events (dolmens, geysers, etc) are account wide.

I find it all confusing, a mashup of global and character completions which wipe out my interest in playing the alternate characters. I had been doing delves and public dungeons with them, but now the delves are a waste of time.

I agree with the people who say that they may as well give all characters their skyshards if any character has discovered them, especially in delves. The delves serve no purpose now except for the first character to go there (I have done them all on my first character) or to collect a shard. If they want to clean up the game, delete the delves entirely, and just hand out the skyshards. The only reason they left skyshards as character based was because of their selling the discoveries in the store. That has no value to me, only to them.

Even the delve quests are things I now avoid, since I did them on my main character. What's the point in redoing the quest without killing the named and getting the skyshard? All three made a delve worth exploring. Now, they are irritants on my map.

That's the issue, everything is now half-baked. Some pieces are worth pursuing, some are obsolete. It may as well all be obsolete.

Adventurer wrote: »

Could you add to your OP that Melina Cassel and Khunzari+Verandis epilogues can now be only done once per account, as it was reported in my thread? In case someone does it read and decide to try fixing some of the issues.

Yes yes, I suppose I can stop being lazy.


Added the following findings to the first post:

Conclusively found to be working improperly:

• As reported here, the NPC involved in a post-quest conversation after the Dark Heart of Skyrim epilogue does not appear for alts after the "Taking up the Mantle" achievement is obtained.
• As reported here, Melina Cassel may appear in the Reach after the "A Friend in Deed" achievement is obtained, but her conversations cannot be repeated on alts. When she does appear after the achievement has been obtained, the "E" prompt to interact with her doesn't do anything. (As clarified here, she already behaved that way for characters who already had the achievement, but now this behavior is account-wide after the achievement has been granted.)

Has anyone conclusively tested Khunzar-ri? Or are we presuming he'll work the same way as Verandis?

quote="kringled_1;c-7555584"]Someone has but I don't recall which thread.
I could not get the Adoring Admirer to appear on an account that had the achievement but had no problem on one that did not.[/quote]I remember someone reported Khunzanri doesn't work in my thread, they said they went to check bothi him and Verandis' epilogues, and he appears in either on new alts.

Thanks for adding the info in!

Kesstryl wrote: »

I'm wondering if ZOS will be gracious and find a way to give us back these NPCs for alts, or are we going to be stuck with something that's forever lost like stealth for Bosmer.

I'm trying to let go and not care anymore.

There is one good thing personally this disaster motivated me to finally stop being lazy and work towards positions in big companies that do AAA titles (I'm in mobile/indie now), so maybe someday I could avert a thing like this one.

Added the following to the first post:

Conclusively found to be working improperly:

• As reported here, the NPC involved in a post-quest conversation after the Season of the Dragon epilogue does not appear for alts after the "A Hero's Song" achievement is obtained.

Not an NPC interaction, but the construction of the city of Orsinium is fully completed on my baby alts. Which is honestly a bummer, because I thought it was really neat working my way through the main quest and checking out how the city would progressively get closer and closer to completion as I went. I ran up to the entrance yesterday for the first time on a brand new character, saw the archway was fully done and it just looked like a normal city, said out loud, "This sucks," and turned around and went to another zone. I'm sure I'll be back to play it, but I really did feel surprisingly disappointed in the moment.

Do we just go to the Rimmen throne room to check? I can't recall what character I was on or where it was in the questline when I saw the eldritch queenbomination on PTS.

I can't promise anything before because I barely have time to get my endeavours and tickets these days but I should have some time on Friday so if anyone can point me to what I need to do quest-wise to check on Queen Euraxamira, I'll do that then if noone gets around to it before. Do I need to start the main quest until Abnur takes us to parley, or get to a certain point, or just stroll in? My brain is so fried, the chaos of the PTS is just a distant memory now. At this rate I'll probably forget what ESO used to be like before AwA...no, just kidding, I can't forget my missing balcony scene. /playtinyviolin

Ilsabet wrote: »

For what it's worth, I took an alt to Rimmen Palace and the throne was empty. So that at least suggests that the new queen isn't just parked there full-time after a character has done the questline.


Also, added the following to the first post:

Conclusively found to be working improperly:

• As reported here, the city of Orsinium immediately appears to be fully built-up for alts new to the zone, rather than being built up progressively as each character goes through the questline.

Thanks for checking on the Queens, that should have made it into a patch note that it was fixed. This is what has been most frustrating about this, no communication about the bugs, no acknowledgement that they exist or get fixed, and then they wonder why some of us from PTS are still up in arms.

I'm hoping this thread will help ZOS to fix the rest of the broken things they might have missed. We can hope a few patches from now the improperly working things will be fixed. When all testing is done the results should definitely be posted in the bug reports forum, and anything we find in game should be reported in the in game bug report feature too, just to make sure this information is getting to the right people. And in the future I'm begging ZOS to please put fixes to NPCs in the patch notes.

GUYS.

@Kesstryl @Ilsabet @Adventurer @Wolf_Eye

From the PTS 8.0 patch notes:

Taking Up the Mantle: Count Verandis Ravenwatch will now properly show up and you can have the conversation with him after completing Markarth's capper quests if you've already completed the achievement on another character.
Note: This does mean you can have this conversation again on the character that initially completed the achievement.

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

GUYS.

@Kesstryl @Ilsabet @Adventurer @Wolf_Eye

From the PTS 8.0 patch notes:

Taking Up the Mantle: Count Verandis Ravenwatch will now properly show up and you can have the conversation with him after completing Markarth's capper quests if you've already completed the achievement on another character.
Note: This does mean you can have this conversation again on the character that initially completed the achievement.

Oh that's great! Does that mean Khunzari's epilogue is fixed as well? Has anyone tested it yet?

Adventurer wrote: »

Oh that's great! Does that mean Khunzari's epilogue is fixed as well? Has anyone tested it yet?

That's not mentioned in the notes, I'm afraid. I scanned them for any other fixes of the type we've been hoping for in this thread but the only "achievement fix" I saw was this one. They did finally fix the Demon Weapon sticking point though, which is nice and also has been a long time coming.

Ilsabet wrote: »

Well there's one small but notable victory. I wonder if that means Verandis will stick around indefinitely and can be spoken to at any time, or if it simply means they're resetting completion of the conversation for all characters such that OG achievement characters get one more go before he disappears again.


Here's another relevant item:

Old Wounds: One of Tarnamir's conversations no longer assumes you've actually joined the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood unless you've completed those quests.

I actually would love it if Verandis did stick around, it wouldn't feel so sad if he was still there to visit from time to time.

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

Kesstryl wrote: »

I actually would love it if Verandis did stick around, it wouldn't feel so sad if he was still there to visit from time to time.

I wish we could see him return to Castle Ravenwatch from time to time (he promised to visit, after all), not to mention update the NPCs there and their acknowledgement of our Greymoor accomplishments - but I definitely don't expect that level of attention to detail and change in the world state.

That would be epic. One could only hope that attention to detail will someday make it into the game.

Ilsabet wrote: »

Well there's one small but notable victory. I wonder if that means Verandis will stick around indefinitely and can be spoken to at any time, or if it simply means they're resetting completion of the conversation for all characters such that OG achievement characters get one more go before he disappears again.

Ilsabet wrote: »

Well there's one small but notable victory. I wonder if that means Verandis will stick around indefinitely and can be spoken to at any time, or if it simply means they're resetting completion of the conversation for all characters such that OG achievement characters get one more go before he disappears again.

I just tested this on PTS. He does not stick around after you finish talking with him. I wish he did. One could test if not finishing the conversation would allow him to stick around. I mean if you already have the achievement, no point in making him go away forever.