For solo play has to be jabs, using sets that return magicka on kills makes trash mobs fun and the sustain is never ending.

So it is to me the ultimate "spammable", other skills may do more damage and fit rotations better BUT jabs can get you through a dungeon on it's own. 😁

For the bosses I have a monster set that returns magicka on crit (can't remember the name atm) and jabs crits a lot too! 😎

Even though I voted Puncturing Strikes, Lava Whip is a very strong second. It only loses to Stikes because it is not an AoE.

The main disadvantage to Templar (which makes it balanced IMO) is that you can't take a synergy, drink a potion, or light attack while in a channel. Blocking also cuts off your DPS.

With the same gear no cp, 64 points in mag, no food - dark elf:

Tooltip:

Sweeps 11706 with burning light (guaranteed)

Cliff Racer 10414 (11976.1 at 28-meter max range)

Flame Skull 10236 (12283.2 every 3rd cast)

Flame Lash 11490 (13648 Power lash)

Frags 11772 (19541.52 Proc'd)

Swallow Soul 10326 no additional damage


So, the magblade's spammable does the least damage with ZERO additional modifiers


Damn, eh!

ke.sardenb14_ESO wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Sweeps doesn’t even make sense. By the time you lay down shards, wall of elements, solar barrage, purifying light. You get like 2 maybe 3 sweeps in before you gotta reload. It’s melee range, is effected weirdly by CP tree and to optimize you gotta use duel wield or lightning staff, does not mesh up with Jesus beam as far as buffs go, plus it’s clunky.

With a nightblade every other rotation you are able to get 4 swallow souls in before a spectral bow. It’s just very easy to fit into such a dynamic rotation of counting to 5. It has range, fits in perfectly with the CP tree and class execute and you are able to optimally use a flame staff with it.

Obviously just talking magicka here.

If you have ever played Stamplar you know that jabs is so strong, you will actually be wasting your time using executioner. Your average rotation will be trap>hail>ritual>Potl>3 jabs>Potl>3 jabs repeat. It widely considered one of the easiest rotations in the game. I did not even vote, because it gets boring after a while, and I still knew jabs was going to win by a country mile.

Uh, everyone can see that you voted for Lava Whip.

RedFireDisco wrote: »

With the same gear no cp, 64 points in mag, no food - dark elf:

Tooltip:

Sweeps 11706 with burning light (guaranteed)

Cliff Racer 10414 (11976.1 at 28-meter max range)

Flame Skull 10236 (12283.2 every 3rd cast)

Flame Lash 11490 (13648 Power lash)

Frags 11772 (19541.52 Proc'd)

Swallow Soul 10326 no additional damage


So, the magblade's spammable does the least damage with ZERO additional modifiers


Damn, eh!

Very misleading information that does not take into account all the confounding variables. That sweeps tooltip is over a whole second and you have to land all 4 to achieve that where swallow soul is instant.

Furthermore the games combat design includes LA weaving. Over a tested duration you will land less sweeps and less light attacks using sweeps as a main spammable.

players end up losing DPS with a Templar bcz it is very easy to break away from a structured rotation and end up in the sweeps black hole.

like I have previously stated the CP tree works against templars. You want to buff up AoE to help strengthen your sweeps but Jesus beam is not modified at all by boosting AoE damage. Where a nightblades impale and swallow soul are benefiting from the same CP modifiers.

And lastly using a flame staff is much less clunky over the alternatives but flame staves do not help out sweeps.

Any class ability that has a channeling or casting time are not abilities to spam. They can easily be interrupted.

For PVE, any instant ability that has a range of 5m+, can easily be weaved with a light attack, and averages over 7K damage with around 4k weapon damage and 30k resource pool is an ability that is going to be decent to include as the primary ability to weave with light attacks, aka the spammable ability.

For PVP, Templar does well with its spammable ability with its Biting Jabs / Puncture Sweep ability but at the same time Templars, even magika ones are more melee focused than ranged focused. You can go range with a templar using Dark Flare but that casting time can be a curse when you lag out or if your target moves out of your LoS, which causes the character to stay in the animation of the ability and can make you a sitting duck.

Those that feel templar are great with Biting Jabs / Puncture Sweep must be forgetting NB Sap Essence ability that heals, damage and gives a 20% sorcery/ brutality bonus.

It's pretty telling how nearly everyone is in agreement that Jabs is the best.

It's not meta (I think) but my favorite spamable is Snipe. I love #BowBuildsAllTheWay

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7OTYz9lQ70

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

ke.sardenb14_ESO wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Sweeps doesn’t even make sense. By the time you lay down shards, wall of elements, solar barrage, purifying light. You get like 2 maybe 3 sweeps in before you gotta reload. It’s melee range, is effected weirdly by CP tree and to optimize you gotta use duel wield or lightning staff, does not mesh up with Jesus beam as far as buffs go, plus it’s clunky.

With a nightblade every other rotation you are able to get 4 swallow souls in before a spectral bow. It’s just very easy to fit into such a dynamic rotation of counting to 5. It has range, fits in perfectly with the CP tree and class execute and you are able to optimally use a flame staff with it.

Obviously just talking magicka here.

If you have ever played Stamplar you know that jabs is so strong, you will actually be wasting your time using executioner. Your average rotation will be trap>hail>ritual>Potl>3 jabs>Potl>3 jabs repeat. It widely considered one of the easiest rotations in the game. I did not even vote, because it gets boring after a while, and I still knew jabs was going to win by a country mile.

Uh, everyone can see that you voted for Lava Whip.

Exactly, if you saw my first post you I broke down why I chose whip over jabs. What I'm sayings is jabs is the one spammable in the game that carries the class itself, and if you asked me a patch ago I would have picked it.
I chose whip because this patch it feels just as strong as jabs did on my templar, but the utility of both morphs, and how they mesh with DKs kit is more impactful than just having a heal or major savagery.

Ksariyu wrote: »

Pretty much the same. They act mostly the same, feel exactly the same. Not really much of a difference, which is kind of how ZoS wants it.

Not at all. In there you have channeled aoe spammables that require you to weave slightly differently, single target instant spammables, spammables with a buffed proc, spammables that also provide a group buff, spammables that provide a self heal, spammables that also damage other nearby targets... And that doesn't even include the semi spammables like blast ones, shalks, daedric prey that do delayed damage but are used much more regularly than a typical dot, or other spammables like sap essence.

I play every class of DD, most of them in magicka and stamina variations, and I definitely wouldn't agree that they all feel the same - even at the level of detail of how the class spammable works. And there are non-class spammables that feel different again (destro staff single target and aoe spammables, including an interrupt, also a frost spammable with lingering dot), psijic la buff spammable....

Rudrani wrote: »

so disappointed in the poll results.

jabs should come in second to swallow soul, not visa versa.

what makes jabs better than swallow soul is that it is hella-AoE

but what makes jabs not as good as swallow soul:

1) cannot be blockcast (huge problem)
2) useless at range (major problem)
3) slightly aids to weave with a potion, etc.

Swallow Soul is probably the best single target spammable. But jabs gives your direct and AOE damage and healing. Also, the range of jabs is longer than you might think. Its nearly a ranged attack

I like the NB spammables. I don’t like or much use the DK or Necro spammables. I wouldn’t call crystal frags a spammmable; I use a weapon spammable like crushing shock and then cast crystal frags when it procs.