Be honest, have had one playing the new zone?

Nanfoodle wrote: »

Be honest, have had one playing the new zone?

Honestly it's none of your business, but yes I have which also triggered a migraine.

This zone is so dark I can’t see anything.

I have to constantly look at my map to make sure I am still on the road.

Personally I would prefer this as an accessibility option (the ability to turn off game features that can be conducive to harm or discomfort).

However if is not feasible to have it as a 'toggle' then as far as I'm concerned please remove them. My immersion and visual pleasure cannot come at the expense of someone else's health.

This, like every videogame since the 90s has epilepsy warnings right in the small print. If you know you're at risk of seizures why are you playing videogames?

Do it as an accessibility option but don't remove things to accommodate a handful of people.

If we cannot get an accessibility option due to coding, then perhaps it would be nice if the Art Team and those responsible for visual effect design took a refresher course in how to design effects that aren't going to cause migraines.

Between the Cyrodiil thunderstorms, the Scrying mini game, and now Deadlands, there seems to be a pattern of effects that look cool but cause problems.

And if there is no way to remove the effects via an accessibility option, then perhaps it is the responsibility of the designers to learn how to design future effects that won't negatively impact their players.

Like - Scrying didn't need those white flashes. A little bit of knowledge might've guided them towards choosing a less jarring transition.

hafgood wrote: »

So because some can have seizures they shouldn't play video games? Whatever happened to inclusively?????

Some can have fatal run-ins with freight trains so they shouldn't play on train tracks.
It's not being non-inclusive, its intentionally putting one's self in harm's way despite the dangers.

And what about inclusivity for the majority who don't suffer from seizures? They should have things taken away?

Accessibility option. Nobody loses. Everybody wins.

This game has too many flashing effects generally, and I agree it does seem like each time they intentionally add more.

Maybe it's covering up flaws in performance or graphics but it's annoying.

I have no photosensitivity or other issue -- I'd just like to be able to see what's going on in the game.

Is it even physically possible to do a trial without displaying enemy health bars? Just clouds of flashing lights and other special effects carpeting the whole room.

hafgood wrote: »

quadraxis666 wrote: »

It's not being non-inclusive, its intentionally putting one's self in harm's way despite the dangers.

And what about inclusivity for the majority who don't suffer from seizures? They should have things taken away?

It's very much about inclusivity.

And if there is an accessibility option what are you losing exactly?

What? You literally didnt read the post in full did you? If theres an accessibility option, nobody loses, everybody wins. Everyone is included and it's a super happy rainbow candy fun time love world for everyone.

Amottica wrote: »

The game itself should have such a warning at login. There are flashes in many areas of the game.

Might not be a bad idea to have such a warning in the Scrying minigame. Work it into the training quest that Gabrielle Benele does at the Antiqutarian's Guild the first time you do it.

"Hey, Vestige, Scrying has white flashes of light. Might want to close your eyes, look away, or whatever you deem necessary."

I mean, you do a lot of Scrying to level Antiquities. And unlike weather effects, it's absolutely something that the player can avoid or prepare themselves for if they know it's coming.

@ZOS_Kevin Thank you for this I appreciate it and I know others will as well. I really think the photosensitive warning needs to be more visible especially with more and more bright and flashing lights being added all the time. An option to turn them down would be awesome.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi @Dolphinsgal. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We are passing on your experience to the Dev team to see what can be done on the accessibility front.

As @Adremal noted, we do have a photosensitive warning outlined in the Terms of Service. That has been outlined below just as a reference point. But we will take player feedback here to the dev team about the visibility of the warning and how it could be improved.

PHOTOSENSITIVITY WARNING. A very small percentage of individuals may experience epileptic seizures or blackouts when exposed to certain visual images, including without limitation light patterns or flashing lights. Exposure to certain patterns or backgrounds on a computer, television or other screen, or while playing video games, may induce epileptic seizures or blackouts in these individuals. These conditions may induce previously undetected epileptic symptoms, blackouts, or seizures in persons who have no history of prior seizures or epilepsy. If You, anyone in Your family, or anyone in Your household, have an epileptic condition, have had seizures of any kind, or seizure symptoms, consult a doctor prior to using the Services or playing any Game. If You experience any of the following symptoms while playing any Game, immediately discontinue use and consult Your physician before resuming play : dizziness, altered vision, eye or muscle twitches, jerking or shaking of arms or legs, loss of awareness, disorientation, confusion, any involuntary movement, or convulsions.

Thanks all and appreciate the feedback.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi @Dolphinsgal. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We are passing on your experience to the Dev team to see what can be done on the accessibility front.

As @Adremal noted, we do have a photosensitive warning outlined in the Terms of Service. That has been outlined below just as a reference point. But we will take player feedback here to the dev team about the visibility of the warning and how it could be improved.

PHOTOSENSITIVITY WARNING. A very small percentage of individuals may experience epileptic seizures or blackouts when exposed to certain visual images, including without limitation light patterns or flashing lights. Exposure to certain patterns or backgrounds on a computer, television or other screen, or while playing video games, may induce epileptic seizures or blackouts in these individuals. These conditions may induce previously undetected epileptic symptoms, blackouts, or seizures in persons who have no history of prior seizures or epilepsy. If You, anyone in Your family, or anyone in Your household, have an epileptic condition, have had seizures of any kind, or seizure symptoms, consult a doctor prior to using the Services or playing any Game. If You experience any of the following symptoms while playing any Game, immediately discontinue use and consult Your physician before resuming play : dizziness, altered vision, eye or muscle twitches, jerking or shaking of arms or legs, loss of awareness, disorientation, confusion, any involuntary movement, or convulsions.

Thanks all and appreciate the feedback.

Thank you @ZOS_Kevin for responding to this thread as this issue has been brought up a few times on the forum before. Adding an accessibility feature in the menu will allow everyone to adjust the settings to their own personal preferences without having to reset their monitor settings or settings on their computer. Some people who have visual/neurological issues 'may' have their computer settings or monitor settings adjusted for them by an Occupational Therapist so having an accessibility feature specific to the graphics for ESO will not interfere with their entire set up. I might suggest having the Developers consult experts in the field of visual conditions, neurological conditions such as migraines, seizures, post concussive disorders etc to see what types of accessibility features may minimize symptoms the best.

I would also suggest having a section on the website where players can submit accessibility requests in private, so they are not subject to community debate on their medical conditions and whether or not it should be accommodated. That way each request can be accessed in private as to whether or not it would cause undue hardship to the company, while maintaining the players dignity and respect which is part of the Human Rights accommodation request process.

Thank you again for addressing this issue.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

As @Adremal noted, we do have a photosensitive warning outlined in the Terms of Service. That has been outlined below just as a reference point. But we will take player feedback here to the dev team about the visibility of the warning and how it could be improved.

Having a warning is one thing, but continuing to expose players to something that has no redeeming purpose and causes physical pain to many is something I can't wrap my head around.

I'm not referring to normal spell lights and animations, but rather the full screen bright flashes of light that happen in a lot of story fights when we beat the boss. It even happened in the Prologue to the Reach I believe it was, that every time we opened a chest that was a quest objective we were blasted with this blinding white light.

It may be a transitioning thing but why can't it fade to black like when we put pieces in the Vardenfall map instead of a bright flash?

These bright flashes even happen when scrying. Why?

There is no good reason to continue something that causes this many players so much discomfort.