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Do you want the ability to buy horse upgrades all at once?
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I miss my maxed out horse from PS4, I feel so slow on PC I just run everywhere on foot instead.
If you have both major gallop and gifted rider, a horse with 0 mount training will be faster than a max character on foot (but barely). Max speed cap on foot is 200% movement speed, a horse with 0 training but both passives and while sprinting will be at 203%.
If you dont have major gallop and gifted rider, you need sprint and 51 pts of speed training to be faster than a max character on foot.
Pretty easy to build to be at speed cap on foot these days, so for a new player with low CP, it very well might make sense to focus on character speed over horse speed.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/566038/movement-and-mounted-speed-caps-explained#latest
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AVaelham✭✭✭✭Yes.Yes, this is such an alt-unfriendly system especially when you consider that a new character doesn't have many wayshrines discovered either and it makes the whole thing more tedious than it needs to be. Travelling in Cyrodiil with a 20-something character is absolutely annoying.
If they really care so much about the monetization of this feature maybe they could at least improve it for the ESO+ subscribers and make it possible to add at least 2/5 points per day.
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SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.I wouldn't buy it, but it doesn't hurt to make it available for people who do. They already offer horse lessons in the crown store, so why not.0 -
whitecrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.If the idea is to simulate continual training then that wouldn't make sense. You can't become a master in a day no matter how much money you throw at it.
However they could reduce the number needed to reach full mastery, or even allow purchase of a few days (equivalent to a more intensive training session).0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.Bank upgrades are monetized in the same fashion and can be upgraded at once.
I doubt they make much off of them compared to horse training or they'd have made it better already. This is has been a long standing complaint for a long time. I know people who won't make an alt til they can buy enough riding books from crown store to make it bearable, can't say the same for bank and merchant.0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.I don't care really; I max all riding on everyone, but then I almost never ride anyway. I certainly wouldn't spend either real money or gold for it.0 -
AVaelham✭✭✭✭Yes.If the idea is to simulate continual training then that wouldn't make sense. You can't become a master in a day no matter how much money you throw at it.
Clicking on a button every day doesn't really make you a master of riding either though. If we could gain XP for riding or something then it would be a fair comparison.1 -
whitecrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.If the idea is to simulate continual training then that wouldn't make sense. You can't become a master in a day no matter how much money you throw at it.
Clicking on a button every day doesn't really make you a master of riding either though. If we could gain XP for riding or something then it would be a fair comparison.
Sure it does. You get better every day.0 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes.Either go with the same system they use for bank and inventory upgrades or add riding lesson scrolls to the writ voucher vendor.
Maybe add the lesson scrolls to the siege merchant in Cyrodiil for AP, for players that just want to focus on PVP, where riding speed is most noticeable for new players trying out that zone, if they can upgrade their mount as they go without needing a large amount of gold or crowns more players might give it a chance.0 -
Beilin_Balreis_Colcan✭✭✭✭✭
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I think @AVaelham is referring to the fact that the whole Elder Scrolls game series is built on XP being gained by performing a task, i.e. you use magicka and gain XP, you use a sword and gain XP, etc.If the idea is to simulate continual training then that wouldn't make sense. You can't become a master in a day no matter how much money you throw at it.
Clicking on a button every day doesn't really make you a master of riding either though. If we could gain XP for riding or something then it would be a fair comparison.
Sure it does. You get better every day.PC(Steam) / EU / play from Melbourne, Australia / avg ping 3902 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.This is one of those popular on the surface types of questions. Then you get a bit deeper and not so much. Of course I would like to train my mounts all at once. I also know why that isn't allowed and why it might not particularly be good for the game.
Kind of like if the question was "would you like to see crown store prices cut in half." All kinds of people would vote yes. Then we find out that means going back to subscriptions being required and all of a sudden the idea loses support.
What we have now is actually a decent compromise compared to how it started. In the beginning if you got a new mount you had to level that mount.
I agree with this. I selected no. I think people forget that horse training was a thing long before the Crown Store and the CS books were added later by popular demand. In an MMO everything shouldn't be immediate.
Logging in to train my horse was much more of an incentive than daily logins are.
However if there was an other in this poll I would agree with some of the happy medium ideas. I like the idea of halving the points needed.1 -
DestroyerPewnack✭✭✭✭✭Yes.
Making fast horse upgrades a lot more expensive will just widen the affordability gap, so those players who can't afford to spend the extra money will be disadvantaged. So even if it makes more sense from a gold economy point of view, it will be unfair.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Because it works. I don't buy much in the crown store, but I do buy horse upgrades. Never the whole thing, but I do usually buy at least a decent amount of riding speed when I create a new toon. I agree that it is a garbage policy, but it wont change.
On the flipside, I have never bought a backpack upgrade. I think I might have bought one of the last bank upgrades way back, because all the upgrades cost the same, but the last few are pretty expensive (at least they were relatively speaking once upon a time). Fairly certain that if they removed the cooldown, crown sales of horse upgrades would dry up, and I am guessing mount upgrades far outweigh bag/backpack upgrades in terms of ZOS bottom line.
What would be nice, increase the cost of training and have it ramp up drastically, but then have the cooldown reset every 20 hours or so. So if you want to do it in a day, you can do it for $$$$$$. If you want to do it in a week, it might be $$$, and if you want to take your time, well its pretty much how it is now (although 250 is nothing and should be increased). 45,000 is not a lot to fully level a horse, purely from a gold standpoint. Make it cost like a 5 million to do it in a day, a million to do it in a week or two, maybe 100k normally. This game needs better gold sinks.
How exactly would it be unfair? Is it unfair that players who started playing before you have maxed mounts while you're still upgrading yours, by virtue of having had more time? If anything, the system people are proposing will help close the wealth gap, as players with more gold would be happy to spend a lot more to skip the cooldown, and players with limited resources will upgrade their mounts at the current speed, but for a lot cheaper.
Also, people tend to forget that people with a lot of gold had to either spend a lot of time to accumulate it (doing daily writs, grinding mats, etc,) or even worse, had to spend real life money to sell crowns. Meaning, they had to sacrifice something to get all that gold. Treating them like day one players, or players who just play for fun, IS the unfair thing here.1 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We already have the ability to buy all the horse upgrades all at once so I doubt this would get serious consideration from Zenimax.0 -
aipex8_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes.I've been known to drop a couple thousand crowns on speed upgrades on new characters to at least get a head start. Can't stand going that SLOOOOOOW.0 -
ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.There's no good reason why you shouldn't be able to do this all at once with gold if you can with crowns. But to satisfy those who wish to role play training, perhaps make it so you have to train your first character on the account the old way before you can use gold to completely train the other characters. Say your first character helped teach them everything they know. This would be really helpful to players who have been playing for years who enjoy alts. (In spite of being someone who enjoys roleplay, I have no desire to "roleplay" training my characters horse unless it involves a more meaningful mechanic. Its just tedious on alts.)PC l NA
Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.Considering that I literally trained my RL paint colt from birth through every little bit of "nope son, you have to do this my way" with walking on lead but not walking on MY feet and not walking OVER me (yeah, with Tambo that was a real issue....) through driving him with long-lines while walking behind him so he got to know how reins worked, and learned to "give" to gentle rein touch on his neck, to keeping him calm the first time he was shod, to getting him used to having tack put on (hackamore then bridle, then blanket, saddle, saddlebags, nose bag, "coat" for cold weather, boots for slippery footing....) - and then assisting my vet with gelding him....
I'm not much bothered by buying riding training a day at a time for months. Serious. It took me two years (plus another 6 months with a "real trainer" - as I was not - to get Tambo to the point of NOT trying to rid himself of me every time he saw a cow - which was daily up here....)
Tambo @ 2 years, barely broke:
I was 45 - and believe me when I say that when he didn't "behave", I was in danger of bruises at least, and broken bones at worst. He was not quite 21 when he died, and yes, while I miss our horses - we are WAY too old now to deal with them.5 -
Saxhleel✭✭✭Yes.Look, maybe if they made it ACCOUNT or SERVER wide and not CHARACTER wide.Edited by Saxhleel on October 20, 2021 2:10AM"What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No Recall or Intervention can work in this place. Come. Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy" — Dagoth Ur5 -
AzuraFan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Results only.I like the idea of being able to train all three stats every day (reducing the time to 60 days).1 -
Mesite✭✭✭✭No.What's the point of playing if you can just buy everything? Life is about the journey. If you can buy a fully trained horse then next you will be able to buy achievements. Log on, buy all the achievements, finished, move onto next game.
However, I'd like to be able to pay to be emperor for a day.
Actually, you might be right. In real life you probably could buy a fully trained horse.2 -
Hapexamendios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. All my characters are maxed out, so I don't really care one way or the other.
2. It will never happen as long as the riding lessons are in the crown store.1 -
kinguardian✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I would like to see it reduced to 30 days and be able to put a point into each of the three categories every day.
I like this idea actually
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭That's not going to happen. Gold is a minor factor here. For ZOS it's the time that counts, so riding lessons from the crown store can be used freely. If it were about gold they would have a cool down.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
HyekAr✭✭✭No.PAY FOR WIN?
I would like to have the option to cusomize the horse and do some tuningsEdited by HyekAr on October 20, 2021 6:33AM0 -
Lucozade85✭✭✭Yes.To be honest I think if you've spent 6 months levelling up a horse then they should be levelled for every character anyway.3
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NylAR✭✭✭✭Best solution imho would be to combine all 3 categories of training into one and pay once to upgrade all 3 at the same time. Then also allow people to pay extra gold with progressively increasing prices to let them upgrade their mounts on the spot within the same day if they have enough gold.
This would make sure that there would still be incentive to pay crowns for lessons and at the same time not limit players who have spent a ton of time actually playing the game.
The costs to go beyond daily limit would have to be insanely high though - keep that in mind. I'm talking millions of gold for a couple points. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for ZOS.0 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.
Originally we could just spend 50 days leveling an horse. You could buy horses with 10 in carrying, speed or stamina and add to it. You better remember to switch to your speed horse in Cyrodil, overland you used the carrying horse.This is one of those popular on the surface types of questions. Then you get a bit deeper and not so much. Of course I would like to train my mounts all at once. I also know why that isn't allowed and why it might not particularly be good for the game.
Kind of like if the question was "would you like to see crown store prices cut in half." All kinds of people would vote yes. Then we find out that means going back to subscriptions being required and all of a sudden the idea loses support.
What we have now is actually a decent compromise compared to how it started. In the beginning if you got a new mount you had to level that mount.
I agree with this. I selected no. I think people forget that horse training was a thing long before the Crown Store and the CS books were added later by popular demand. In an MMO everything shouldn't be immediate.
Logging in to train my horse was much more of an incentive than daily logins are.
However if there was an other in this poll I would agree with some of the happy medium ideas. I like the idea of halving the points needed.
Later they changed the system, I assume this was because the crown store and sale of mounts.
The benefit was that you could have 60/ 60 / 60 the downside was that you spends half a year leveling up riding.
I just park new alts next to the stable, focusing on speed first, then a bit of stamina then inventory and back to stamina
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
faeeichenlaub✭✭✭✭Yes.I feel you should experience the grind once. But once it's done you have effectively unlocked the abilities of the mounts account wide. It's "your" stable. As it stands now we are training the character, not the mount, so either rename the objective to educate your dolt of a new character in animal husbandry or unlock the ability for the stable.
ZOS can charge the total gold value to become an accomplished rider, or maybe pay in crowns (like skyshards unlocks) but to grind the whole business over again? Nope won't do it."Azura give me strength, Let my voice change the world as long as I am in it."0
