Free Deadlands DLC

SeaGtGruff · October 2021

I think it's great, and I'm on my second year of subscribing. Don't forget, getting it free means you'll have access to it even if you stop subscribing. Also, just because I'd get "free" access to it anyway, as long as I keep subscribing, doesn't mean I think non-subscribers should be prevented from getting it for free.

We went through this same uproar when Murkmire was given away as a free daily login reward. "It devalues my ESO Plus!" No, it really doesn't.

And some people spend Crowns to get the DLCs despite having an ESO Plus subscription, because (1) you can access it even if your subscription ends and (2) you can get any included extras that accessing it via ESO Plus doesn't give you.

Which leads me to my only questions: Are there additional items that will come from purchasing the DLC, including-- but not limited to-- any prepurchase rewards (or are those just for new chapters)? And if so, will those be given away for free as well? Because I'm thinking they probably won't, in which case I'll likely be purchasing the new DLC on both servers anyway.

kmcaj · October 2021

method__01 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Or because of the economic impact of Covid, subs are down and they want to reach out to people who can't afford to sub and they want to be compassionate. And it was well-received when they did it with Murkmire.

That's apples and something that isn't remotely like an apple.

[snip]

There really is no pleasing this community. Daily login rewards are always criticized, events aren't frequent enough, its always something. And now, they can't even basically give out free content without people being up in arms about it being obtainable to people who already purchased Blackwood. Maybe just be happy for other people, it effects people other than you, people less fortunate than you, the community is not a community of one. We all make up the community.

the sub ppl dont have a prob with community,they are big part of,just want equal treatment
how gifting something i already have is a gift?

Now if your sub runs out you still own the DLC. It's yours now! Assuming whatever the thing is that unlocks it succeeds.

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SammyKhajit · October 2021

Bought Blackwood at half price so can’t complain. Sammy doesn’t mind the DLC given out as the reward, but how about something extra for the plus members? A house/houseguest/big statue of Lyranth and please for the love of Kyne give us more variations than mini statues as monthly perk. Something like free appearance tokens etc would be much more appreciated.

AzuraFan · October 2021

Sheezabeast wrote: »

ZOS put a dollar value on humans participating in events, you don't even have to participate in events to buy event tickets. They give away chapters when you buy the base game. They as the proprietary owner get to constantly redefine what they are worth and how much you are worth to them.

Agreed. I guess I'm surprised that ZOS doesn't seem to value subscribers as much as I thought it did. My bad.

trackdemon5512 · October 2021

Disturbed_One wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

ofalltheworlds wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of complains about people complaining, because it's free stuff, and other people will still benefit, and those things are true. I'm happy for people who are able to benefit from this, and I hope they enjoy the DLC they otherwise wouldn't have had access to. I'm not upset that people are getting access to the DLC.

That said, I am also disappointed that the mystery reward is something that doesn't benefit me at all. I was looking forward to a cool bonus reward, and finding out that it's just something I already have is a let down after all the hype.

People can feel multiple things at once - I can be happy for the people it benefits, and disappointed for myself. I'm not trying to take away other people's free stuff, I'm just personally frustrated at how this was set up and communicated.

Put it this way. For those with ESO+ there is zero incentive in the reward. Their subscription was to afford them access to all DLCs and the craft bag. A 12 month subscription amounts to 2 zones (the fall zone and the previous year chapter) plus the craft bag.

For 12 month subscription holders you’re effectively just taking away the value of one large item while the price doesn’t change. Arguably they’re wasting their money. The same for 3 month subscription holders.

1 month holders and non subscribers get the greatest value.

A house the reward is fantastic and of equal value for all players. Offering the DLC for free amounts to a waste of money for subscribers. See those who bought Imperial City and felt similarly miffed when it was given away for free to all players years later.

The crowns you could buy the DLC for are less than 10% of what you get for a year's worth of subbing...

You also have 2 dungeon DLCs which are causally not mentioned at all...

You also get Crown Store discounts, 10% extra XP, and the craft bag...

At least talk about everything you get instead of omitting so much of it to "prove your point"... I loathe disingenuous arguments like that.

This is a literal drop in the bucket of the total value you get from subbing...

We can have differing opinions of the validity of what they're doing... as to whether they should or not... but they're not taking away anything from me. I, as a subscriber, LOSE NOTHING, and some other people get something. Personally, I'm okay with that, same as I am in the real world when those less fortunate get something, even if I would have benefited from it prior (such as my student loans statement earlier).

Crowns I get from my subscription can be spent at any time. I could wait until a DLC goes on sale to maximize their purchasing power.

When I and others subscribed to ESO+ it was for two reasons: the craft bag and unlimited access to ALL DLCs including the most recent one. The other benefits are nice but they pale in comparison. And I’m technically paying for the crowns so that if I cancel my membership I can still purchase a DLC to play without.

The most loyal players buy the newest chapter each year within the 3 months of its introduction. This means that for long term players their ESO+ really is only for 3 DLCs and a craft bag. Now this event makes it 2 DLCs and a craft bag.

So yes, I and others feel like we shelled out cash upfront and later got shafted on what we expected of our investment. When Zenimax switched over from a mandatory subscription model to F2P ask the players that paid if they similarly felt shafted and at least they were rewarded with unique pets and costumes that have NEVER been given out again.

VaranisArano · October 2021

I'll take the free DLC.

I don't subscribe, so it means I got a DLC I would otherwise buy. I can use those crowns I would have spent for other things. And everyone plays ESO differently - I will get a lot more enjoyment from the DLC than I have from any of the big event reward houses.

Sheezabeast · October 2021

AzuraFan wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

ZOS put a dollar value on humans participating in events, you don't even have to participate in events to buy event tickets. They give away chapters when you buy the base game. They as the proprietary owner get to constantly redefine what they are worth and how much you are worth to them.

Agreed. I guess I'm surprised that ZOS doesn't seem to value subscribers as much as I thought it did. My bad.

I used to be that person who couldn't live without my craft bag. I subbed for roughly 2016 to most of 2019. Then I could no longer sub. And I know what it feels like to feel jilted and like they don't care. Over time, I just realized that they just constantly shift the goal posts for where you feel relevant, where you feel you have an impact, and where you feel they listen and they respond. This year, seeing the live testing of no proc Cyrodiil was a big wake up call for a lot of people for just how toyed with the community is, how effective the PTS is, what role we actually play, and how much they really listen. That's just one example, but hopefully you see my point. I think they really are just doing what they did with Murkmire, and I would almost bet that in that box is a house.

Disturbed_One · October 2021

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Disturbed_One wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

ofalltheworlds wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of complains about people complaining, because it's free stuff, and other people will still benefit, and those things are true. I'm happy for people who are able to benefit from this, and I hope they enjoy the DLC they otherwise wouldn't have had access to. I'm not upset that people are getting access to the DLC.

That said, I am also disappointed that the mystery reward is something that doesn't benefit me at all. I was looking forward to a cool bonus reward, and finding out that it's just something I already have is a let down after all the hype.

People can feel multiple things at once - I can be happy for the people it benefits, and disappointed for myself. I'm not trying to take away other people's free stuff, I'm just personally frustrated at how this was set up and communicated.

Put it this way. For those with ESO+ there is zero incentive in the reward. Their subscription was to afford them access to all DLCs and the craft bag. A 12 month subscription amounts to 2 zones (the fall zone and the previous year chapter) plus the craft bag.

For 12 month subscription holders you’re effectively just taking away the value of one large item while the price doesn’t change. Arguably they’re wasting their money. The same for 3 month subscription holders.

1 month holders and non subscribers get the greatest value.

A house the reward is fantastic and of equal value for all players. Offering the DLC for free amounts to a waste of money for subscribers. See those who bought Imperial City and felt similarly miffed when it was given away for free to all players years later.

The crowns you could buy the DLC for are less than 10% of what you get for a year's worth of subbing...

You also have 2 dungeon DLCs which are causally not mentioned at all...

You also get Crown Store discounts, 10% extra XP, and the craft bag...

At least talk about everything you get instead of omitting so much of it to "prove your point"... I loathe disingenuous arguments like that.

This is a literal drop in the bucket of the total value you get from subbing...

We can have differing opinions of the validity of what they're doing... as to whether they should or not... but they're not taking away anything from me. I, as a subscriber, LOSE NOTHING, and some other people get something. Personally, I'm okay with that, same as I am in the real world when those less fortunate get something, even if I would have benefited from it prior (such as my student loans statement earlier).

So yes, I and others feel like we shelled out cash upfront and later got shafted on what we expected of our investment. When Zenimax switched over from a mandatory subscription model to F2P ask the players that paid if they similarly felt shafted and at least they were rewarded with unique pets and costumes that have NEVER been given out again.

Nope, never felt that way in any way, shape, or form when they made that change.

I respect your ability to voice your opinion, but please do not confer those upon me as if it were universally agreed on.

kmcaj · October 2021

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Disturbed_One wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

ofalltheworlds wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of complains about people complaining, because it's free stuff, and other people will still benefit, and those things are true. I'm happy for people who are able to benefit from this, and I hope they enjoy the DLC they otherwise wouldn't have had access to. I'm not upset that people are getting access to the DLC.

That said, I am also disappointed that the mystery reward is something that doesn't benefit me at all. I was looking forward to a cool bonus reward, and finding out that it's just something I already have is a let down after all the hype.

People can feel multiple things at once - I can be happy for the people it benefits, and disappointed for myself. I'm not trying to take away other people's free stuff, I'm just personally frustrated at how this was set up and communicated.

Put it this way. For those with ESO+ there is zero incentive in the reward. Their subscription was to afford them access to all DLCs and the craft bag. A 12 month subscription amounts to 2 zones (the fall zone and the previous year chapter) plus the craft bag.

For 12 month subscription holders you’re effectively just taking away the value of one large item while the price doesn’t change. Arguably they’re wasting their money. The same for 3 month subscription holders.

1 month holders and non subscribers get the greatest value.

A house the reward is fantastic and of equal value for all players. Offering the DLC for free amounts to a waste of money for subscribers. See those who bought Imperial City and felt similarly miffed when it was given away for free to all players years later.

The crowns you could buy the DLC for are less than 10% of what you get for a year's worth of subbing...

You also have 2 dungeon DLCs which are causally not mentioned at all...

You also get Crown Store discounts, 10% extra XP, and the craft bag...

At least talk about everything you get instead of omitting so much of it to "prove your point"... I loathe disingenuous arguments like that.

This is a literal drop in the bucket of the total value you get from subbing...

We can have differing opinions of the validity of what they're doing... as to whether they should or not... but they're not taking away anything from me. I, as a subscriber, LOSE NOTHING, and some other people get something. Personally, I'm okay with that, same as I am in the real world when those less fortunate get something, even if I would have benefited from it prior (such as my student loans statement earlier).

Crowns I get from my subscription can be spent at any time. I could wait until a DLC goes on sale to maximize their purchasing power.

When I and others subscribed to ESO+ it was for two reasons: the craft bag and unlimited access to ALL DLCs including the most recent one. The other benefits are nice but they pale in comparison. And I’m technically paying for the crowns so that if I cancel my membership I can still purchase a DLC to play without.

The most loyal players buy the newest chapter each year within the 3 months of its introduction. This means that for long term players their ESO+ really is only for 3 DLCs and a craft bag. Now this event makes it 2 DLCs and a craft bag.

So yes, I and others feel like we shelled out cash upfront and later got shafted on what we expected of our investment. When Zenimax switched over from a mandatory subscription model to F2P ask the players that paid if they similarly felt shafted and at least they were rewarded with unique pets and costumes that have NEVER been given out again.

But now you may have (if all goes well) moved up from being a dlc renter to an official dlc owner! And you can maximize your crowns for other sales and never have to worry about ever having to buy this dlc on sale or not. Congrats!

jad11mumbler · October 2021

The "You'll own it once your subs runs out" argument almost works except those of us who will always sub while we actually play the game and won't let it run out.

Also since its a small zone dlc it'll be finished in a week with no reason to go back until zos puts an event there to drive up sales for it.

merpins · October 2021

Sheezabeast wrote: »

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Or because of the economic impact of Covid, subs are down and they want to reach out to people who can't afford to sub and they want to be compassionate. And it was well-received when they did it with Murkmire.

That's apples and something that isn't remotely like an apple.

[snip]

There really is no pleasing this community. Daily login rewards are always criticized, events aren't frequent enough, its always something. And now, they can't even basically give out free content without people being up in arms about it being obtainable to people who already purchased Blackwood. Maybe just be happy for other people, it effects people other than you, people less fortunate than you, the community is not a community of one. We all make up the community.

I don't think it's about the content being free, but how they hyped it up as "guess what? you're gonna get something amazing if you do this thing! We can't tell you what right now because we're gonna announce it during the steam, betcha cant guess what it is..."
It's a nice thing to get and it's always nice to own the content with the game, even if you're a subscriber. But hyping it up like that was a dumb way to go about it, because giving away content for free (kinda) that 1. subs already get for "free" once the thing drops, and 2. isn't more than what we already knew was coming, a la a house like other expansions which ALSO would have been underwhelming since it's been done in the past, is... Underwhelming.
It should have just been announced with the event, not hyped up as a surprise because, although it's surprising, it's only surprising because it wasn't expected due to the hype they made. It would have been equally unexpected and universally better received without hyping it up as a secret first.

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trackdemon5512 · October 2021

kmcaj wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Disturbed_One wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

ofalltheworlds wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of complains about people complaining, because it's free stuff, and other people will still benefit, and those things are true. I'm happy for people who are able to benefit from this, and I hope they enjoy the DLC they otherwise wouldn't have had access to. I'm not upset that people are getting access to the DLC.

That said, I am also disappointed that the mystery reward is something that doesn't benefit me at all. I was looking forward to a cool bonus reward, and finding out that it's just something I already have is a let down after all the hype.

People can feel multiple things at once - I can be happy for the people it benefits, and disappointed for myself. I'm not trying to take away other people's free stuff, I'm just personally frustrated at how this was set up and communicated.

Put it this way. For those with ESO+ there is zero incentive in the reward. Their subscription was to afford them access to all DLCs and the craft bag. A 12 month subscription amounts to 2 zones (the fall zone and the previous year chapter) plus the craft bag.

For 12 month subscription holders you’re effectively just taking away the value of one large item while the price doesn’t change. Arguably they’re wasting their money. The same for 3 month subscription holders.

1 month holders and non subscribers get the greatest value.

A house the reward is fantastic and of equal value for all players. Offering the DLC for free amounts to a waste of money for subscribers. See those who bought Imperial City and felt similarly miffed when it was given away for free to all players years later.

The crowns you could buy the DLC for are less than 10% of what you get for a year's worth of subbing...

You also have 2 dungeon DLCs which are causally not mentioned at all...

You also get Crown Store discounts, 10% extra XP, and the craft bag...

At least talk about everything you get instead of omitting so much of it to "prove your point"... I loathe disingenuous arguments like that.

This is a literal drop in the bucket of the total value you get from subbing...

We can have differing opinions of the validity of what they're doing... as to whether they should or not... but they're not taking away anything from me. I, as a subscriber, LOSE NOTHING, and some other people get something. Personally, I'm okay with that, same as I am in the real world when those less fortunate get something, even if I would have benefited from it prior (such as my student loans statement earlier).

Crowns I get from my subscription can be spent at any time. I could wait until a DLC goes on sale to maximize their purchasing power.

When I and others subscribed to ESO+ it was for two reasons: the craft bag and unlimited access to ALL DLCs including the most recent one. The other benefits are nice but they pale in comparison. And I’m technically paying for the crowns so that if I cancel my membership I can still purchase a DLC to play without.

The most loyal players buy the newest chapter each year within the 3 months of its introduction. This means that for long term players their ESO+ really is only for 3 DLCs and a craft bag. Now this event makes it 2 DLCs and a craft bag.

So yes, I and others feel like we shelled out cash upfront and later got shafted on what we expected of our investment. When Zenimax switched over from a mandatory subscription model to F2P ask the players that paid if they similarly felt shafted and at least they were rewarded with unique pets and costumes that have NEVER been given out again.

But now you may have (if all goes well) moved up from being a dlc renter to an official dlc owner! And you can maximize your crowns for other sales and never have to worry about ever having to buy this dlc on sale or not. Congrats!

What good is owning a DLC if you quit the game? I mean isn’t the marketing strategy to get players on ESO+? And then don’t the vast majority of those players basically only play with ESO+ for the DLC and the craft bag?

I mean when the majority of these forums complains about changes to game combat (Dark Convergence for example) and then threatens to quit their subscription they usually stop playing until changes they agree to come around. They don’t play around in the DLCs they could have bought.

six2fall · October 2021

If they really wanted to do this & make everyone happy eso+ members should get the collectors free while others just get the dlc. Way it is now is just another point of contention & really disincentives players from doing the sub 2hich let's be honest hasnt been great for a long time & if it wasnt for craft bag I'd bet almost everyone would stop sub

Monte_Cristo · October 2021

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

So ideally when giving people something, you want them to be able to utilize it and be thankful for it. Here you have a situation where pretty much anyone who is participating in this event also has access to the DLC as I'm betting people who buy expansion also sub, so you are basically saying:

"Hey thanks to everyone who participated to unlock this prize, we are now going to give access to it to all the folks who didn't participate."

I buy the chapters and zone dlcs, never been a sub (got Murkmire for free as a login reward). And didn't the announcement say you only get the rewards if you own the Blackwod chapter?

kmcaj · October 2021

six2fall wrote: »

If they really wanted to do this & make everyone happy eso+ members should get the collectors free while others just get the dlc. Way it is now is just another point of contention & really disincentives players from doing the sub 2hich let's be honest hasnt been great for a long time & if it wasnt for craft bag I'd bet almost everyone would stop sub

That could be very unfair. Say someone has subbed for years but has a 1 day lapse and misses out while someone else just happens to be trying a sub out for a month and never subs again. Best to just give the collectors dlc to all as an even better reward if we do really really well in whatever unlocks it.

Sheezabeast · October 2021

six2fall wrote: »

If they really wanted to do this & make everyone happy eso+ members should get the collectors free while others just get the dlc. Way it is now is just another point of contention & really disincentives players from doing the sub 2hich let's be honest hasnt been great for a long time & if it wasnt for craft bag I'd bet almost everyone would stop sub

If there was a Blockbuster, DLC would be DVDs. You would be subbing, aka renting a DVD. You would not be owning the DVD. You could rent it back to back so you could pretend/feel like you owned it, but you would not own it. But the person down the street walking into Walmart can buy that DVD to own for X amount of dollars. And they own it. They also get the option to refund it if they are unhappy. A consumer that purchases specific content has privilege's. Your sub is considered a grouped list of privilege's and is rented and not owned. You are getting a prize, just like someone not subbed. Should you stop going to Blockbuster to get your DVD, you stop watching it. Saying someone who pays for the sub model is entitled to a 3k mount and a 1k pet that anyone can buy from the crown store once it is released simply because they rent content being given to them, that's not anywhere near fair to people who don't sub.

freespirit · October 2021

I have read and digested everyone's point of view.

The decision still sucks!

A "fantastic mystery reward" that was hyped up by ZoS should be superb for everyone.

This is not!

I am happy for people who would maybe struggle to buy the DLC, however personally I am disappointed.

six2fall · October 2021

kmcaj wrote: »

six2fall wrote: »

If they really wanted to do this & make everyone happy eso+ members should get the collectors free while others just get the dlc. Way it is now is just another point of contention & really disincentives players from doing the sub 2hich let's be honest hasnt been great for a long time & if it wasnt for craft bag I'd bet almost everyone would stop sub

That could be very unfair. Say someone has subbed for years but has a 1 day lapse and misses out while someone else just happens to be trying a sub out for a month and never subs again. Best to just give the collectors dlc to all as an even better reward if we do really really well in whatever unlocks it.

Its perfectly fair everyone has ability when their sub is going to renew if you dont that's on you

totzummrdave_ESO · October 2021

I just want to know what happened to the pony they promised us for watching today's cast.
Straight from the email I received a couple days ago:
"Get an exclusive look at the fiery conclusion to the year-long Gates of Oblivion saga! Plus, tune in for key announcements, upcoming in-game activities, and fun surprises! Watch on Twitch.tv/Bethesda at 4pm ET on 10/1 and earn a pet pony."
I watched, but so far no usele... erm pet.

AzuraFan · October 2021

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I used to be that person who couldn't live without my craft bag. I subbed for roughly 2016 to most of 2019. Then I could no longer sub. And I know what it feels like to feel jilted and like they don't care. Over time, I just realized that they just constantly shift the goal posts for where you feel relevant, where you feel you have an impact, and where you feel they listen and they respond. This year, seeing the live testing of no proc Cyrodiil was a big wake up call for a lot of people for just how toyed with the community is, how effective the PTS is, what role we actually play, and how much they really listen. That's just one example, but hopefully you see my point. I think they really are just doing what they did with Murkmire, and I would almost bet that in that box is a house.

You're right about feeling like they don't care. Normally I'm cynical enough not to fall into the trap with companies, of believing they do care lol. Thanks for the bucket of cold water.

Also, you've given me something to think about. I've been saying that once you have the craft bag, you can't live without it. Now I'm asking myself if that's true because I have quite a number of empty character slots. I'm on a yearly sub so I won't have to make a decision soon, but I'll be thinking about it. I don't play the dungeon DLCs, so I mainly subscribe for the craft bag and the end-game DLC (I know there are other benefits, but I don't care about them). This year the DLC is free, so it's an expensive sub this year for a craft bag. Anyway, food for thought.

FlopsyPrince · October 2021

This is very "meh" for me.

I won't be playing if I am not a sub, just the bag space makes it worthwhile for me. And ALL the DLCs.

I can't see playing without ESO+ myself, so this is definitely not the "big deal" they make it out to be. Perhaps some will love it, but I would wonder even about that. Certainly some here will benefit, but how much of the playerbase will benefit?

Though I do wonder how they will get 100% if they count ALL players. What about those who have just quit playing, even if they are subbed? I am wasting my PS4 sub right now since I am not playing there. I may try to get on and earn the Pathfinder achievement at least once to help, but I may not. Does that mean everyone on the PS4 (both NA and EU) will not get the not so grand "grand prize" if I do not?

I am still irked at losing all my PS4 stuff (mounts, Crowns, housing) by moving to the PC. So a misleading "great deal" is annoying.

RevJJ · October 2021

Well, as an ESO+ subscriber at least this means I don’t have to waste time trying to get the pathfinder achievement on all my toons. Thanks for saving me some time ZOS, I guess?

🤷🏻‍♂️

kmcaj · October 2021

six2fall wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

six2fall wrote: »

If they really wanted to do this & make everyone happy eso+ members should get the collectors free while others just get the dlc. Way it is now is just another point of contention & really disincentives players from doing the sub 2hich let's be honest hasnt been great for a long time & if it wasnt for craft bag I'd bet almost everyone would stop sub

That could be very unfair. Say someone has subbed for years but has a 1 day lapse and misses out while someone else just happens to be trying a sub out for a month and never subs again. Best to just give the collectors dlc to all as an even better reward if we do really really well in whatever unlocks it.

Its perfectly fair everyone has ability when their sub is going to renew if you dont that's on you

There are many life reasons why someone may not have the ability to renew on any given day. It's naive to think that everyone has same ability in anything.

Actual playable game content is really the best gift ZOS could give. The reason many are here is to play the game. To be fair though, the best option would be for ZOS to provide a way to opt out of the free dlc. This way those who are happier renting it don't have to own it.

FlopsyPrince · October 2021

It also amazes me that some here don't allow people to dislike ANYTHING ZOS does.

I don't feel "kicked in the teeth" but "disappointed" is reasonable. Some won't even allow that. We have to be EXCITED for anything that is done!

Not very realistic.

Xenite · October 2021

Me and the wife are both disappointed. We have been subscribers since launch.... basically the reward is nothing.

Geez, thanks.

FlopsyPrince · October 2021

RevJJ wrote: »

Well, as an ESO+ subscriber at least this means I don’t have to waste time trying to get the pathfinder achievement on all my toons. Thanks for saving me some time ZOS, I guess?

🤷🏻‍♂️

Won't that make sure no one gets the ultimate prize? Is that the goal?

Kind of like those carnival prizes that are impossible to win?

Disturbed_One · October 2021

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

It also amazes me that some here don't allow people to dislike ANYTHING ZOS does.

I don't feel "kicked in the teeth" but "disappointed" is reasonable. Some won't even allow that. We have to be EXCITED for anything that is done!

Not very realistic.

Nobody has said you can't be "disappointed"

We are specifically talking to those that are saying "kicked in the teeth" as it's an utterly ridiculous response to what happened.

You're getting a free DLC, saving 1500 crowns, and you'll have access to it forever. Rather than only having it when you have an active sub.

Edit: Even as an ESO+ sub, I'd argue the free DLC is more valuable to me than some re-skinned mount that goes in my list of 200+ that I'll never use.

Disturbed_One · October 2021

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

This is very "meh" for me.

I won't be playing if I am not a sub, just the bag space makes it worthwhile for me. And ALL the DLCs.

I can't see playing without ESO+ myself, so this is definitely not the "big deal" they make it out to be. Perhaps some will love it, but I would wonder even about that. Certainly some here will benefit, but how much of the playerbase will benefit?

Though I do wonder how they will get 100% if they count ALL players. What about those who have just quit playing, even if they are subbed? I am wasting my PS4 sub right now since I am not playing there. I may try to get on and earn the Pathfinder achievement at least once to help, but I may not. Does that mean everyone on the PS4 (both NA and EU) will not get the not so grand "grand prize" if I do not?

I am still irked at losing all my PS4 stuff (mounts, Crowns, housing) by moving to the PC. So a misleading "great deal" is annoying.

No.

It's 100% of an arbitrary threshold that only ZoS knows.

We'll hit it regardless of the community involvement. Think of the marketing fiasco they'd have if they didn't.

They are essentially just giving everybody the free DLC if they own Blackwood.

winterscrolls229prerb18_ESO · October 2021

As a strong anti sub player (from half a decade of wow) the reward was great.

For my case though, they did the absoulte worst for themselves in terms of getting paid:

- Since endeavours, content is king. The only reason i pay these days is for low hanging crown store purchases, or the same in crates (40 or lower) with twitch gems. Since endeavours, i can tell my brain to not do this now and just wait. So given that i don't need crowns.. access to content is the most valuable thing and the main thing worth paying for.

- Sweetwater cascades would have been much better. Its SO good that i would have been swooning in awe and probably impulsed the insanely priced 5k mermaid pack as a thankyou gesture. I guess they only get so many toys to offer per year and sweetwater's been slotted in as the big guns at the zos armada against sea shephard this year, so fair enough.

- Being in the exact same position last year, it was the free house (+sale combo) that worked and made me buy greymoor. I don't think i would have for the story dlc, as i was still trying to draw the line where to stop buying before finishing playing.. but i really needed a house at the time.... See you only don't buy the latest story when you still have so much content to do.. content is the last thing you need...

Anyway, the reward is great for me.

Sheezabeast · October 2021

Disturbed_One wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

This is very "meh" for me.

I won't be playing if I am not a sub, just the bag space makes it worthwhile for me. And ALL the DLCs.

I can't see playing without ESO+ myself, so this is definitely not the "big deal" they make it out to be. Perhaps some will love it, but I would wonder even about that. Certainly some here will benefit, but how much of the playerbase will benefit?

Though I do wonder how they will get 100% if they count ALL players. What about those who have just quit playing, even if they are subbed? I am wasting my PS4 sub right now since I am not playing there. I may try to get on and earn the Pathfinder achievement at least once to help, but I may not. Does that mean everyone on the PS4 (both NA and EU) will not get the not so grand "grand prize" if I do not?

I am still irked at losing all my PS4 stuff (mounts, Crowns, housing) by moving to the PC. So a misleading "great deal" is annoying.

No.

It's 100% of an arbitrary threshold that only ZoS knows.

We'll hit it regardless of the community involvement. Think of the marketing fiasco they'd have if they didn't.

They are essentially just giving everybody the free DLC if they own Blackwood.

It also generates hits on the website for how many times people check the progress, so, its profitable for them in many, many ways whether they make money off the DLC or not.