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Mistform changes means RIP console VRG HM
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Who the hell decided that? the ability is now useless and there is no reason to use it anymore, why would they make it unusable or did ZOS forget PvP is barley 5% of the games content, I do not even bring my Vampire into PvP.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on September 20, 2021 5:37PM15 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Vampire is now even less fun for PVE.
It's like the #1 rule for vampire changes is always "what would make vampire even less desirable?"24 -
GoodFella146✭✭✭✭✭It's amazing how literally every update has some vampire nerf after Greymoor which was WILDLY UNPOPULAR due to vampires becoming too nerfed then.22 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PvP had nothing to do with the nerf.
Been trying to point out for years devs don't like PvE content cheesed.
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CyberOnEso✭✭✭✭✭
✭You know they also nerfed the healing and shield reduction of the curse from Bahsei.@CyberOnEso PC | EU - Jack of all Trades - Armory Style Manager Planesbreaker | Godslayer | Dawnbringer | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Gryphon Heart1 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭CyberOnEso wrote: »You know they also nerfed the healing and shield reduction of the curse from Bahsei.
That set is useless, you cannot benefit from a barley noticeable 15% increase in spell damage when you have no magic left.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on September 20, 2021 5:43PM0 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »CyberOnEso wrote: »You know they also nerfed the healing and shield reduction of the curse from Bahsei.
That set is useless, you cannot benefit from a barley noticeable 15% increase in spell damage when you have no magic left.
Uhhhhhhhhh13 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is the explanation:
"Mist Form is meant to be used as a disengagement tool"
And how am I too disengage from a PvE enemy? if it were a disengagement tool then why does Blood Mist exist? the ability is too weak for PvP and in PvE pointless without the damage reduction[snip]
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 20, 2021 5:58PM15 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »[snip]
Nor did they care to, in any way, try to update Mist Form to make it more useful after such a heavy nerf.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 20, 2021 5:59PM2 -
Remathilis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, I guess they really do want vampire to be an RP thing. Make it a skin and be done with it.23 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »This is the explanation:
"Mist Form is meant to be used as a disengagement tool"
And how am I too disengage from a PvE enemy? if it were a disengagement tool then why does Blood Mist exist? the ability is too weak for PvP and in PvE pointless without the damage reduction[snip]
I know right? Blood Mist is not a disengagement tool and nobody in their right mind uses it as such in PvP. Much better turning it into a batswarm life leeching streak than leaving it as a slow and lumbering AoE health sponge. Blood Mist goes counter to what they claimed the ability is for.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 20, 2021 6:01PMPC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not a Vampire but making an ability useless in ALL PvE is not a good change.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
GM of IMPERIUM since 2015.24 -
cro25519✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »CyberOnEso wrote: »You know they also nerfed the healing and shield reduction of the curse from Bahsei.
That set is useless, you cannot benefit from a barley noticeable 15% increase in spell damage when you have no magic left.
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Thannazzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Remathilis wrote: »Well, I guess they really do want vampire to be an RP thing. Make it a skin and be done with it.
Yep, slowly removing any mechanical point of being a vamp, looks like it's a new world for me instead.5 -
GoodFella146✭✭✭✭✭Don't forget they are making sure more NPCs won't interact with you while in stage 4 LOL. But yeah there are many good points already and this thread just started.4
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Cillion3117✭✭✭✭✭The last rework was a flop. They just need to sit down and start from scratch again.6 -
Grandchamp1989✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I didn't think they could make the vampire more "meh" but I guess they could.9 -
Halcyon_Kismet✭✭✭[snip]
A nerf to the % would have been adequate and kept the move at least usable in some circumstances in PvE rather completely butchering the move.
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 21, 2021 11:05AM12 -
GoodFella146✭✭✭✭✭Grandchamp1989 wrote: »I didn't think they could make the vampire more "meh" but I guess they could.
I believe we could say "minimally exceptional"0 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Was just watching a video from Tank Club on vRG to compare notes from a run we did yesterday. Whole time recommending vamp for tank.... *sad pandas in tank club now*3 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Halcyon_Kismet wrote: »[snip]
A nerf to the % would have been adequate and kept the move at least usable in some circumstances in PvE rather completely butchering the move.
That would have been better than what they came up with in all honesty. Something like 30% so it's like the old major protection would've been okay.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 21, 2021 11:06AMPC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK5 -
Zekka✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Who the hell decided that? the ability is now useless and there is no reason to use it anymore, why would they make it unusable or did ZOS forget PvP is barley 5% of the games content, I do not even bring my Vampire into PvP.
That was a pure PvE change, PvP had nothing to do with it. ZOS simply didn't like seeing tanks mitigate [snip] they were not supposed to in vet trials.
Stop bringing PvP up for every change as an easy scapegoat.
[edited for profanity bypass]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 21, 2021 11:07AM9 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just realized this change also nerfs it in PvP. Often times I use it to get into keeps and more often than not I might get some NPCs on me. These NPCs will hit for full damage if this goes live and they are not exactly weak, especially in groups which they come in.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK4 -
Thannazzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe the are all just jealous of Finn's prefix title and want the same one, richly deserved if this goes live!1 -
K9002✭✭✭✭✭[That was a pure PvE change, PvP had nothing to do with it. ZOS simply didn't like seeing tanks mitigate [snip] they were not supposed to in vet trials.
Stop bringing PvP up for every change as an easy scapegoat.
They're not blaming PvP, just pointing out that now the skill has no application outside of PvP, in their words in about 95% of the game content. It wouldn't hurt so much if vampire had more than 5 abilities, 3 of which are utterly useless to begin with.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 21, 2021 11:07AM11 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I know vampire just got an overhaul last year but honestly; it needs another one because they butchered something good into nothing.Edited by Jodynn on September 20, 2021 7:30PMJodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.11 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I know vampire just got an overhaul last year but honestly; it needs another one because they butchered something good into nothing.
Indeed, and the list is pretty long to with just the Greymoor specific changes.
* Unending health cost increase on Blood Frenzy.
* Blood for Blood making you unhealable by others for 5 seconds.
* Damage nerf on Eviscerate and it's morphs.
* Removal of health and stamina regeneration on Mistform.
* Nerfing Drain's already abysmal damage.
* Reducing the vampire cost decrease buff.
(Bonus pre-PTS list)
* Removal of Accelerating Drain for Brain Drain, and then removal of Brain Drain for Drain Vigor.
* Nerfing Vampiric Drain's damage to abysmal levels.
* Removing the stun from Vampiric Drain.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK9 -
Thannazzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just wish that ZOS would ask themselves one question before coming up with this kind of stuff:
"Will this change make the game more or less fun to play?"14