Don't get hit with the AOE damage from the person nearby with the highest armor?

Also don't forget some players have 20k+ spell penetration. So 12k hit is not unreasonable given the calculation.

(12400) / (0.26 * 0.5) = 95384 total resist

I have 48k + 46k resist in my PvP tank build before Pariah. With Pariah I have > 100k total resist.

You most likely got hit by a spell pen build and your teammate was a tank.

Nser wrote: »

The set is buggy and someone people using it in pvp.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

so many people using it ATM*

Wing wrote: »

it seems a little buggy, i feel like a number of . . .numbers, might be off this update.

in any case im making a new character specifically for using these sets, they are just too effective in pvp to bother using anything else.

its not fun to using broken set

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Also don't forget some players have 20k+ spell penetration. So 12k hit is not unreasonable given the calculation.

(12400) / (0.26 * 0.5) = 95384 total resist

I have 48k + 46k resist in my PvP tank build before Pariah. With Pariah I have > 100k total resist.

You most likely got hit by a spell pen build and your teammate was a tank.

Yes but with zero resists the max hit is defined by the 26% of your total resisits. On my Warden, for example, the max calculated hit was around 6500, I mitigated it to 4600. So spell penetration etc is not supposed to affect how hard this hits.

I think the other comment is more likely: the set is calculating the total resists in the entire AOE stun.

In that case, can you imagine what a leap would do?

Something is wrong with it, I got hit for 5k one time but then 12k another time wearing the exact same gear. I know that putting fracture on the target will reduce the damage the proc deals, but does anyone know if having additional penetration will, like maces or sharpened trait?

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Pymad wrote: »

it seems to ignore resistance

I was just going to make a separate thread about this. The player's resist is completely ignored.

40k resist target should receive 5200 damage but receives 10400 damage.

80000 * 0.26 * 0.5 * ((33000/660)/100) = 5200
80000 * 0.26 * 0.5 = 10400

It also appears Toughness is ignored as well.

Yeah I didn't do precise test about calculations but I'm sure this is the AoE which is problematic. I also see that depending on the initial target, the damage AoE will remain huge but depends (as intended) on the initial target resistance.
Seeing values I guess this come from ignoring BattleSpirit (which is not a new bug on AoE proc) and resistance. May something else is bugged but they have to work on this part.

But why are talking about Toughness ? This is a health buff (10%) this does not interfere with Hrothgar proc.

divnyi wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Pymad wrote: »

it seems to ignore resistance

I was just going to make a separate thread about this. The player's resist is completely ignored.

40k resist target should receive 5200 damage but receives 10400 damage.

80000 * 0.26 * 0.5 * ((33000/660)/100) = 5200
80000 * 0.26 * 0.5 = 10400

It also appears Toughness is ignored as well.

How can you explain 19.5k damage above with that?
Or do we have a case where it sums all armor from all the players hit by CC in a single motion, AND also ignores resists?

Anyway it is huge and needs to be nerfed asap @ZOS_GinaBruno

I test it for the sum of all players and this is not that. But this is ignoring resistance (10400 in this example) and the 0.5 multiplier from battle spirit (so 20800 in this case).

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Pymad wrote: »

But why are talking about Toughness ? This is a health buff (10%) this does not interfere with Hrothgar proc.

Sorry I meant Protection. Actually need to do more testing with this to confirm.

Ah yeah, this is possible.

Please fix this Zos, getting hit for 11-12k damage from Hrothgar's in BGs is no fun. =( Nobody on my team was even tanky, 4 glass cannon casters.

@GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler, Working as intended ? I try to figure out how 1 tick of Hrothgar's Chill set can deal 21K damage on my stamplar with 20K resistance

Update.

I tested Corrosive armor-- it did not cause the huge Hrothgar hit.

But later, I hit 2 players with talons. One was hit for 4500, the other one for 15000.

Another player I hit for 19k. No idea why

Many other times it is 3-7k

Seems completely random. I can't figure it out yet

Greek_Hellspawn wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

But later, I hit 2 players with talons. One was hit for 4500, the other one for 15000.

Maybe it hits harder the more enemies you hit? Like the first person gets hit for his armor value then the second gets hit for both his and the first opponents armor value.

No, see a couple posts up. I hit 6 players ( you can see it in combat metrics scroll mode) and none was higher than 7k. But another DK hit me and 3 players with Talons and I got hit for 19k.

Can't see a pattern yet

8% from the new frostbite set
an extra 4% if chilled
10% if warden from passive
10% + 10% from whatever of the top right warfare passives apply
5% + 10% from major/minor berserk
+15% for that champion point when attacking someone with a shield on
+10% from destro staff passive
or +15% from dual wielding, hitting a disabled target
major/minor vuln, 15%

and probably some other un-named damage buffs I can't remember. That sums up to 99%-104%. Hit with full balorgh proc for full pen, which mean (resist-pen)/3300 = armor damage mitigation.

It could be bugged, and I think the strength and instant nature is significantly out of step damage and effect size with other Magicka procs like caluurion's and icy conjuror.

It's also possible that the damage calculation for this seems like it should be really simple to do, and obvious, as the tooltip claims it's just based off a stat you, the target, have access to. Damage calculation in this game is fairly complicated as there are a ton of potential modifiers. Learning allll of the ins and outs would take forever, but it is valuable to look into relevant ones, and talk to people who nerd out on this stuff, when putting together a build. A lot of the stuff around are something accidentally meta-ish that a truly gifted player poasted on YouTube with some clips. Spent like 8 hours over the last 2 days developing something awful with new mechanics that I need to practice in pve before annoying some people in pvp, if it works as well as I think it should. Thinking way too hard can pay off!

(And yeah, I know I probably got some stuff wrong with the napkin math above, but I'm not going to figure out which are additive/multiplicative and whatever else zos has done. Demonstrates the point tho)