Weapon drops in dungeons are meme worthy

Jolsyf · July 2021

A little over 30 Frostvault runs trying to get Tzogvin's bow, paying all I have (around 50k), only for it finally drop it today for someone on the group and he say "sorry I need this for my sticker book" and leaves...

I just feel like the biggest clown grinding in this game dungeons, just why... what is the logic of weapons only droping from last boss and to have it compete with jewellery to boot. This is unlike any other mmo I've played at this point, its not about skill, its not about speed, its just rng dumb luck. Please, from all my heart, this game needs some sort of way of facilitating adquiring dungeon weapons, maybe some pitty system that after 20 runs you get to choose what the last boss will drop, or undaunted keys for weapons, something...

Alucardo · July 2021

Using undaunted keys sounds good. You give up the ability to buy a monster piece for a gear/weapon instead.
That sucks about the sticker book guy. I mean, if you're not planning on using it, just give it to group member who actually wants it. That would have sent me over the edge.

starkerealm · July 2021

Jolsyf wrote: »

what is the logic of weapons only droping from last boss and to have it compete with jewellery to boot.

That's not quite accurate. Clear all your trash, and check for your chests. Those can drop any piece, including weapons. I've gotten set weapons off of trash mobs in a number of dungeons, and seen them drop for others.

SeaGtGruff · July 2021

Why did you have to spend around 50k? Aren't dungeons free to run? Are you saying you were paying for carries?

Jolsyf · July 2021

starkerealm wrote: »

Jolsyf wrote: »

what is the logic of weapons only droping from last boss and to have it compete with jewellery to boot.

That's not quite accurate. Clear all your trash, and check for your chests. Those can drop any piece, including weapons. I've gotten set weapons off of trash mobs in a number of dungeons, and seen them drop for others.

weapons only drop from chests (not simple ones) and last boss dungeon

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Why did you have to spend around 50k? Aren't dungeons free to run? Are you saying you were paying for carries?

I didn't paid anything, I offer it to anyone willing to trade for the bow, should it drop it for that person

starkerealm · July 2021

Jolsyf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Jolsyf wrote: »

what is the logic of weapons only droping from last boss and to have it compete with jewellery to boot.

That's not quite accurate. Clear all your trash, and check for your chests. Those can drop any piece, including weapons. I've gotten set weapons off of trash mobs in a number of dungeons, and seen them drop for others.

weapons only drop from chests (not simple ones) and last boss dungeon

No, they drop off trash mobs. I've gotten multiple weapons off of trash mobs over the years. If you're consistently clearly everything in the dungeon, you'll usually get a drop run. Now, those drops can be armor pieces, but they can also drop weapons.

miteba · July 2021

Dungeons should have a token system like cyrodiil where you collect stones (telvar) that you could trade for random gear coffers of equipment or weapons.
We could collect many stones through completing dungeons and then you could choose which dungeon coffers have interest.
It would be also random between those 3 dungeon sets but at least it would give more chances to obtain what you need.

zvavi · July 2021

HM should guarantee a weapon and jewelry drop.

jm42 · July 2021

Alucardo wrote: »

That sucks about the sticker book guy. I mean, if you're not planning on using it, just give it to group member who actually wants it.

[snip] Maybe later that guy will need that bow for another char and will create it from stickerbook, or even if he is just a completionist who wants to get full stickerbook - that is his right to keep HIS OWN loot. why ppl with loot log always think that everyone's duty is to give them their loot?

[edited for baiting]

Marillea · July 2021

Took me, my fiancé and a couple of guildies 5 months to drop 1 Tzogvin dagger in between us all.

Of course, after we got the first, a second one dropped right after.

Folkb · July 2021

They really do need to add something to up the weapon drop. People here say they drop in chests and also mobs which I have yet to see but don't discount but even that seems too rare.

robpr · July 2021

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Why did you have to spend around 50k? Aren't dungeons free to run? Are you saying you were paying for carries?

They are, just when someone really need something they often incentivise others to give the loot for the price. I decline the gold most of the time unless the person was really pain in the butt whole run. I remember back in the day whenever someone dropped Moondancer Inferno in Sharpened people literally thrown millions to your face.

Tsar_Gekkou · July 2021

They should just have bosses always drop a body piece and a weapon or jewelry piece. It's not like it would break the dungeon economy or anything.

Hämähäkki · July 2021

The more desperate you are, the lower are the chances in getting what you're looking for.

Once you have everything you need, it'll drop left and right.

That's number one rule of ESO farming/grinding

Sahqon · July 2021

Folkb wrote: »

They really do need to add something to up the weapon drop. People here say they drop in chests and also mobs which I have yet to see but don't discount but even that seems too rare.

Got quite a few things, including the coveted Medusa staves off trash mobs (on random normal after I grinded them out already). And chests have in my experience a higher chance of dropping weapons than armor pieces... ofc never the weapon you want, but weapon. Probably just rng, but there's quite a good chance of drops from those too.

Agenericname · July 2021

Jolsyf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Jolsyf wrote: »

what is the logic of weapons only droping from last boss and to have it compete with jewellery to boot.

That's not quite accurate. Clear all your trash, and check for your chests. Those can drop any piece, including weapons. I've gotten set weapons off of trash mobs in a number of dungeons, and seen them drop for others.

weapons only drop from chests (not simple ones) and last boss dungeon

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Why did you have to spend around 50k? Aren't dungeons free to run? Are you saying you were paying for carries?

I didn't paid anything, I offer it to anyone willing to trade for the bow, should it drop it for that person

Definitely not the case. I had a Medusa's dagger drop the other day off of a trash mob. Historically the drops seem to be consistent with the loot table, which are poor odds, but they can drop.

MrMazurski · July 2021

Yea agree, sometimes are a meme.

Idea with keys chest are very nice.

For me, the items you already have in your collection should have a lower drop chance, and those you don't have a higher drop chance.

Lady_Galadhiel · July 2021

Took me over 2 weeks farming a lightning staff in SCP,that was in the time when the set was still used as supporter set.
Also never saw a lightning staff in MA and did run it so often.

aaisoaho · July 2021

I spent 3 weeks trying to get Kinras dagger. On second week I started to offer a 500k gold bounty for it and on the third I upped it to a million. After a while I decided it is not worth anymore of my time and settled on Kinras 2h sword. So yes, I also feel like the weapon droprate feels annoying when trying to farm that one particular weapon.

khyrkat · July 2021

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JanTanhide · July 2021

Jolsyf wrote: »

A little over 30 Frostvault runs trying to get Tzogvin's bow, paying all I have (around 50k), only for it finally drop it today for someone on the group and he say "sorry I need this for my sticker book" and leaves...

I just feel like the biggest clown grinding in this game dungeons, just why... what is the logic of weapons only droping from last boss and to have it compete with jewellery to boot. This is unlike any other mmo I've played at this point, its not about skill, its not about speed, its just rng dumb luck. Please, from all my heart, this game needs some sort of way of facilitating adquiring dungeon weapons, maybe some pitty system that after 20 runs you get to choose what the last boss will drop, or undaunted keys for weapons, something...

Get the locations of all the spawn points for treasure chests in the dungeon you are farming. You have an excellent chance of getting weapons/jewelry from a chest. I think Vet will get you a higher chance but even normal dungeon runs drop good stuff from time to time in the chests.

When I was farming Arx I got my first Medusa Inferno staff from the final boss. I got another one from a treasure chest (normal run) and another player got a Medusa Inferno staff from a chest.

EF321 · July 2021

Alucardo wrote: »

Using undaunted keys sounds good. You give up the ability to buy a monster piece for a gear/weapon instead.
That sucks about the sticker book guy. I mean, if you're not planning on using it, just give it to group member who actually wants it. That would have sent me over the edge.

If I don't have it collected, it goes into MY sticker book, not yours. I don't care if I don't need it today. No matter how bad/niche/useless set is. Look at Crusader - it is going to be entirely different set now with next patch.

Every piece you collect today is potentially a piece you might need for your future builds. And even if you don't need that exact piece, it still lowers the cost of reconstruction of all other pieces.

So no, you can't have my uncollected loot.
And please accept NO as an answer and move on. I don't owe you explanation on why I am going to keep it. Had a guy literally bugging me for 30 minutes, until I logged off.

Bigmatt2 · July 2021

robpr wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Why did you have to spend around 50k? Aren't dungeons free to run? Are you saying you were paying for carries?

They are, just when someone really need something they often incentivise others to give the loot for the price. I decline the gold most of the time unless the person was really pain in the butt whole run. I remember back in the day whenever someone dropped Moondancer Inferno in Sharpened people literally thrown millions to your face.

Yep, I've seen it happen with a Crimson Sword. Same scenario as OP, the guy was grinding for days and someone (pug group) said he needed it for his stricker book, guy said 1 mill. Can't pass that kind of money up for something that just sits in a sticker book until you decided to use it for a build.

MornaBaine · July 2021

There's a reason I don't do dungeons. This is it.

Veinblood1965 · July 2021

I was thinking about this last night. Trying to get the Engine Guardian heavy monster piece on Vet. It's not a hard dungeon but after a few runs and no piece it sucks. Maybe a way to earn these somehow? Other than just pure RNG.

AlnilamE · July 2021

Alucardo wrote: »

Using undaunted keys sounds good. You give up the ability to buy a monster piece for a gear/weapon instead.
That sucks about the sticker book guy. I mean, if you're not planning on using it, just give it to group member who actually wants it. That would have sent me over the edge.

I'm going to say this as someone who gave away their only ever Zaan drop for free: The loot belongs to the person who got it and they are free to do with it as they wish. If it's important for them to complete the sticker book, so be it.

Is it disappointing if you were grinding for it? Sure! But that's for you to deal with, not them.

WaltherCarraway · July 2021

I farmed Burning Spellweave Inferno staff for 5 years over 500 runs finally got mine few days ago gotta thank H here.

Commander_Kjlp · July 2021

There has been ton of quality of life changes recently but there is still some terror inducing features in this game. Harpoon Kilt was bad sign from someone in development and what they think of what activity (BOT like activity) you should be forced to do in ESO. Higher drop chance on parts you don't have or even the token/key drop idea is good. This is easy fix but it only works if ESO devs don't hate their own players (they do). Tokens tied to the specific dungeon that after collecting 20-25 tokens you can unlock one item from transmute station. Nothing needs to be added bar Token drop per dungeon and unlock prop from already existing transmute station. This is few hour work for one person. You still need to run that dungeon average 20 times lets say (on vet) but then you can unlock one item from that set. You need more or meta changed to swords? Maybe you got the sword by random drop already or you need to farm the 25 tokens again. 40-50 dungeon runs for 2 certain set parts and whatever dropped naturally - that cannot be described as too easy (if you dont hate your audience that is). This game should not work that you finally get your inferno Medusa staff and leave the game for weeks after. This is not keeping anybody engaged and positive about the game.

Jaimeh · July 2021

I did 60+ runs in BDV for my kinras dagger... and there are even worse horror stories for the BSW staff, the Medusa staff, etc. If it's a dlc dungeon, it's even worse because they are really long, so even on normal it takes time. At least now with the stickerbook, if it's a 1h weapon grind you don't have to go back in for the second one thankfully. I do get why the grind exists, but there's been accounts of 700 runs in vMA for staves, and I think it would be nice if they drew a line somewhere, and said after X number of runs, you can give up your weapon drops for a token to get your desired weapon, or something like that.

SeaGtGruff · July 2021

Jolsyf wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Why did you have to spend around 50k? Aren't dungeons free to run? Are you saying you were paying for carries?

I didn't paid anything, I offer it to anyone willing to trade for the bow, should it drop it for that person

Oh, okay-- so you were offering around 50k, not

Jolsyf wrote: »

paying all I have (around 50k),

as your OP indicated. No problem; I'm assuming it was just an "English isn't my first language" issue.

I'm glad you didn't pay anyone anything, only to have them run off with your money and the gear you'd paid for.

Fischblut · July 2021

Yep, I've seen it happen with a Crimson Sword. Same scenario as OP, the guy was grinding for days and someone (pug group) said he needed it for his stricker book, guy said 1 mill. Can't pass that kind of money up for something that just sits in a sticker book until you decided to use it for a build.

Set Collection system is one of the best features in the game, especially in the game where gear is constantly changing - you never know what will be nerfed, buffed.
So unlocking new item in Set Collection book is priceless.

Also, I completely agree that there should be some system to ease dungeon weapon grind. I wish we had ability to buy random weapon and random jewelry boxes for every dungeon from Undaunted merchant for keys/transmute crystals

I farmed Burning Spellweave Inferno staff for 5 years over 500 runs finally got mine few days ago gotta thank H here.

I saw BSW inferno staff only once. A friend invited me to help him farm CoA. I agreed for one fast run, and that's what I got from the last boss:

It was in 2018, we didn't have Set Collections back then, and I didn't care about using this set on my magdk. I thought that it was bad set, look at that 5th bonus with cooldown and proc chance

The only value the staff had for me was purely sentimental - because everyone wanted it. So I gave it away to the friend. But I had to take a screenshot of the staff, because such thing happens only once.

...Nowadays, we are no longer friends, and the set was buffed

Not worth farming though.