That may be efficient to some but the current system doesn't work for me but I appreciate your opinion but I still feel like it will happen dispute that. Do you think that they are incredible of animating such things because I believe they can nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it. In fact you can think things into existence it's already happened for me in many different ways from movie, to game in 2013 I wanted an Elder Scrolls MMORPG to exist and we see it now. So all that needs to be done is reintroduce to original elements of the First to Fifth games along with new elements that don't benefits a few people. My homework to all that reads this play the original games and then formulate an opinion after playing them all only then can you understand were I come from.

I have played Skyrim, Oblivion, ESO, and Morrowind, in that order.

I strongly dislike the micromanagement aspect of the 8 attribute system. It really comes from the TES roots in D&D and other pen and paper RPG games, translated into C-RPG mechanics. Look, I like playing D&D, but pen and paper mechanics don't always translate well to a modern video game. Especially when you tie the 8 attributes to the major/minor skill system and the way your attributes only indirectly impacted your main stats, I really hated it.

Skyrim simplified the whole system beautifully. Health, stamina, magicka. Done. Easy to understand. For once, it didn't feel like I was forcing myself to play in certain ways to manipulate my attributes. If I wanted to increase an attribute, I could always increase it on level up. If I wanted to increase a skill, I used that skill a lot without getting locked into increasing a specific attribute.


Aside from just gameplay, I think ESO would end up wildly unbalanced in a multitude of ways. Consider the ways that Morrowind and Oblivion both allowed for min-maxing your attribute gains. Lots of MMO players min-max. That sort of gameplay would be de rigeur in ESO too.

One thing I particularly remember from Oblivion was "playing against the majors" wherein I used my minor skills to control how and when I leveled up so I could get those sweet +5 modifiers for my attributes. For one, this did not make for entertaining gameplay. More importantly, it let me get very, very powerful for my level, especially when abusing spellcrafting. Think of it as the equivalent of a level 10 player in gold gear fighting a duel with all the major benefits of Battlespirit.

Even if ESO didn't adopt the system from Morrowind and Oblivion wholesale, we'd still wind up with similar problems. If it was the meta to beeline straight to strength and endurance for warriors or willpower/intelligence for mages, many players would.

Then let's think about this - practically.

A. A typical melee/bow Stam player right now with nearly every attribute in stamina needs: strength, agility, speed, endurance, willpower (because they need fatigue to fight effectively)
B. A magicka player right now with nearly every attribute in magicks needs: Intelligence, willpower
C. A tank needs endurance, strength, agility, willpower,

You see there's maybe a small problem with build balance?

What about Personality? Hmm, mercantile, speechcraft, and illusion are it's skills? Yeah, that's pretty much useless in current ESO - no one but roleplayers is going to prioritize this over the combat skills.

And lastly, Luck? Uh, depending on how ESO decided that this influenced your attributes and your RNG, this could easily be THE skill to min-max. I mean, my Craglorn farmer looking for nirncrux needs a maxed luck stat. For that matter, in today's high-crit-chance meta, I can see where Luck would be an important atribute to max out. Players who didn't would literally be less lucky than their opponents. It sucks to lose fights based on Luck, not skill.


When you go around suggesting a new system, it's important to rigorously look at the ways that system falls apart or creates problematic gamer behavior. The 8 attributes were removed and simplified in Skyrim for a reason.

Now, maybe this is just because my experience with Morrowind and Oblivion's leveling was one of micromanagement and constant annoyance at having to change my gameplay so that I leveled up how I wanted to. Still, I can't lie. I hated the 8 attribute system. Skyrim, and now ESO, is a vast improvement.

I remember when skyrim was released the community criticized it for being dumbed down and streamlined. 10 years later and the game is so heavily modded it's nothing like when it first released. The amount of people who play it modded is massive. They added more depth, new weapons, new systems, new recipes. People want their rpgs to have depth. How can ZoS not see that.

Red_Feather wrote: »

I remember when skyrim was released the community criticized it for being dumbed down and streamlined. 10 years later and the game is so heavily modded it's nothing like when it first released. The amount of people who play it modded is massive. They added more depth, new weapons, new systems, new recipes. People want their rpgs to have depth. How can ZoS not see that.

Sorry, but Morrowind players also complained about Oblivion, which went on to be an enormously popular TES game.

And again, sorry, but the criticisms of Oblivion and Morrowind players didn't do anything to prevent vanilla Skyrim from becoming a wildly successful TES game.

And in the same way, the lamentations of Morrowind and Oblivion players missing their old C-RPG mechanics have not done much at all to stop ESO from becoming a very successful TES MMORPG.

Look, I liked Oblivion and Morrowind well enough, but I think it's time to admit that they don't have a stranglehold on the future of TES RPGs.


Furthermore, I think your analogy of mods is a poor one.

First off, mods are made by a handful of content creators making stuff they want to see in game more or less for free. It's nothing like the sort of actively-produced content for an ongoing MMORPG we get with ESO.

Second, mods let players pick and choose what they want. Survival mods are very popular. Does that mean the TES franschise needs to swing into hard-core survival gameplay for everyone? By no means! Those mods are not representative of what the whole playerbase wants. In contrast, when the Devs add something to ESO, we're all stuck with it. So they need to make sure that it appeals to and is balanced for the majority of their playerbase. The biggest example is One Tamriel, a huge change to the game that was supported by the majority of players then and since.

Unlike mod makers who put in their time for free, with no deadlines, and no need to worry about sales or balancing for more than one player, the ESO Devs simply cannot add everything people want to ESO. They can't. Even if their time and money were unlimited, they are making content for more than one person - not everyone is going to agree. With some things like "more weapon choices," most people like having options, even if the meta is going to be a few choices. With bigger changes, like taking away the attribute system we have now and replacing it with the older Oblivion/Morrowind one, not so much.

(When ZOS did One Tamriel, my SO hated it and quit playing a few updates later. The Devs really cannot please everyone. So when players walk in suggesting massive upheaval in how ESO handles character building and combat, it's worth asking whether or not this really appeals to most players. In the case of One Tamriel, I would say yes, absolutely it was the correct choice. As for 8 attributes, I strongly disagree that it's going to be a popular, well balanced decision.)

I have already started playing Morrowind again instead of ESO all day like I used to all I do on ESO now is normal writs with my cp characters and that's it.

I never liked the FF MMORPG and wow because they require you to pay for the subscription to level beyond lvl 20 in wow and I think it was lvl 45 in the FF MMORPG I agree with the fact that ESO is falling a part that is why I'm trying to convince them and the community that the current attribute system is not good for everyone it's just good for a few people and definitely not the people who even made it possible by playing Morrowind, oblivion, and Skyrim. Most players like me just quit the only people who still play ESO that are like me, that grew up to Morrowind, are true fans of the franchise or have spent so much money on the game and quiting it is like tossing $1000s into the trash. The other people are a new generation who don't understand what an MMORPGs is all about so they like the simplified attributes because it's easy for them but to people of my generation this limited 3 attribute system is far harder to work with because we don't just use only one or the other resources we use them all and this game didn't benefit us because of the limited amount of attribute points in it and that is the very reason I started this poll.

Zos cant balance the game as is & you want them to expand attributes to 8. No thanks

And yes they can if they can't it's because they won't and giving up on a challenge.

I only bought Skyrim because of oblivion and Morrowind and not because of any other reason I beet the game in 2014 but I won't play it again but I will play Morrowind and oblivion again I already started playing Morrowind a few days ago it's simple and easy to level up the game is by far the best of the franchise and I'm not a normal person I am below the norm I no genius and don't need a pin or paper to do anything in those games it all about the since of accomplishment to me and there is none of that in ESO I just other players who quit the game to play again plus it's not like there is role for hybrid players the attributes are not the only problem in the game but changing them to a less simplified version is best for everyone since it is easy to level in ESO so it would be easy to go with my idea I just want that build a class experience please read my first post and not just the title I like more level rewards does I like higher level caps it's not hard to understand and I only have an IQ of 99 1 point under the Norm and thanks for your time.

That's why luck is important. To lower the cost of things I have never looted gold gear or items like perfect roe or the upgrade material you need for the experience potions the one people charge a million gold for or more.

GodKingScormxon wrote: »

That's why luck is important. To lower the cost of things I have never looted gold gear or items like perfect roe or the upgrade material you need for the experience potions the one people charge a million gold for or more.

If you max out your crafting line and do the daily writs, you can get those items everyday...(not the gold gear, of course).

I do normal writs everyday with about 9 of my characters still haven't received perfect roe from any of them.

I have also received whole gold plating as well.

But honestly the drops in this game are way more frequent than other MMORPGs