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Please add 4-person Arenas (Dragonstar, Blackrose) to Dungeon Group Finder
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Because I honestly don't see much difference between the Arena-type dungeons (Dragonstar and Blackrose) and an actual Dungeon-type dungeon like the Blessed Crucible.
I think Trials are tough enough that they need to have organised (or at least semi-organised) groups - a Group Finder wouldn't work for them - but there's no good reason not to make the group finder work for Dragonstar and Blackrose.
Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 13, 2021 12:39PM I think Trials are tough enough that they need to have organised (or at least semi-organised) groups - a Group Finder wouldn't work for them - but there's no good reason not to make the group finder work for Dragonstar and Blackrose.
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waterfairy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree but I'm guessing they don't have them because they take longer to complete then group dungeons0 -
Lady_Galadhiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Agreed, it should be in game already.Contrariwise, if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.Lewis Carroll2 -
Fennwitty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree but I'm guessing they don't have them because they take longer to complete then group dungeons
Maybe, but as long as they don't mix the arenas in with the regular dungeons for the 'random daily' pool, and simply let people queue for them specifically, it would be fine.
No idea how fast any given queue would be but DPS characters are already used to waiting a while even for a random daily.PC NA2 -
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✭✭The average time to clear VDSA with a decent group is 90 minutes. That's with an organized group. I've been in a pug that ran it in 2 hours, once we kicked the fake and got a real tank. And 99% of groups need a real tank to clear VDSA. I don't see group finder helping this out.
As for VBRP, burn, damage mitigation, and self-healing are more important as the stages are more compact, which allows for high DPS 4 DD groups to clear it. Massive downside would be attracting fake DDs/PVP DD builds who want their weapons for PVP but don't want to respec for PVE first.
As with Dungeon Finder, in theory this would be great. But in practice, this will fall victim to the same problems of Dungeon Finder. Add in that the veteran versions of DSA and BRP as MUCH harder than their normal counterparts and there are going to be a lot of unhappy customers. I don't think I would ever use it for vet1 -
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✭✭Back when I was doing vDSA (when it was the only source of DSA weapons
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But I also think that group finder for trials should exist. People pug trials all the time.
Having ability to use group finder would be much better than having to sit in the same zone and wait until you gather enough people for the arena run. You just queue in Group Finder, and do what you want in the meantime - in any zone you wish.5 -
Kusto✭✭✭✭✭I agree, arenas and trials should have a group finder tool. People who say that they are harder or take longer or need more coordination, fake role issues etc, what's the difference if I go to Craglorn and type LFM or hit queue button? Result is the same, I will get random people. Pugs are pugs, no matter how you find them. So they may aswell save me the trouble of spamming in zone chats and add the tool.3 -
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✭✭✭✭I agree but I'm guessing they don't have them because they take longer to complete then group dungeons
This is already an issue with a lot of the DLC's they take forever-and-a-half.
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Eso101rus✭✭✭✭Because I honestly don't see much difference between the Arena-type dungeons (Dragonstar and Blackrose) and an actual Dungeon-type dungeon like the Blessed Crucible.
I think Trials are tough enough that they need to have organised (or at least semi-organised) groups - a Group Finder wouldn't work for them - but there's no good reason not to make the group finder work for Dragonstar and Blackrose.
I would say it would be easier to form your own group from friends and guilds. VBRP with randoms who probably don’t know mechanics and priorities would not be fun.0 -
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✭For the normal versions, yeah. BRP and DSA in normal are doable.
Not sure if vet would be a good idea though as many people could get pretty frustrated with it.
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MrMazurski✭✭✭No ,no, no,
do you think anyone wants to spend so much time on DSA only for daily? If you need people for it, go to Clagron / ask Guild and find them. normal you are able to do even 2 people. Vet would be even more annoying than vet Dungeon with random ppl
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Kredo✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »The average time to clear VDSA with a decent group is 90 minutes. That's with an organized group.
What year do you live in that a decent group needs 90 minutes to clear vDSA because it sure ain't 20210 -
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✭Look it takes a lot of time to clear *normal* DSA and more than half of it is waiting around for mobs to spawn :P1 -
Noldornir✭✭✭Because I honestly don't see much difference between the Arena-type dungeons (Dragonstar and Blackrose) and an actual Dungeon-type dungeon like the Blessed Crucible.
I think Trials are tough enough that they need to have organised (or at least semi-organised) groups - a Group Finder wouldn't work for them - but there's no good reason not to make the group finder work for Dragonstar and Blackrose.
Have you ever done VBRP?
Blessed Crucible (or any other dungeon - even DLC ones) is not even comparable... the only thing they have in common is they are instanced for 4 people.
VBRP (but also VDSA) will be a waste of time in 99% cases with a random group; Arenas are meant to be run with an organized and strong team that fully knows its mechs, not what you usually got when you roll a "random dungeon".0
