World's First Planesbreaker (Rockgrove No Death, Hard mode, Speed Run) Achieved by Calamity [PC/NA]

colossalvoids · June 2021

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Massive congrats to the team, well deserved!

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b101uk · June 2021

xSurge wrote: »

There's a lot of salty console players in the thread complaining about addons when they know FULL WELL, that if they could get those addons for their respective console, they'd be fully loaded in a heartbeat.

you are assuming that it is just console players who are anti-addons because they cant have them, but that is wrong, as there is also some PC players too of that opinion, who believe in a level playing field for all in some game modes, and the ONLY way to achieve that is to prevent the use of mods.

Veteran stuff should be played in as pure a form as posable as intended with everyone having the same advantage and disadvantage and there being NO hand-holding in the form of mods.

KyraCROgnon · June 2021

congratulation. I'm on PC, using mods, and i now that I will never reach the skill level needed for some of those hard mode fights !

FantasticFreddie · June 2021

Hamiltonmath wrote: »

PS: That's a real challenge and something to be proud of. Do you think that you will release the logs or no?

Probably not, or at least not until PC/EU has gotten their first clear at the very least. They usually have some healthy competition going on between the servers and other teams, and keep their logs under wraps for a while.

alanmatillab16_ESO · June 2021

Congratulations, you have the world first completion.

Now prove the doubters wrong and do it again without the mods, show us all that ESO isn't going to go the way of WoW where addons like DeadlyBossMods made raids more a game of Simon Says than an actual raid.

Love Wizard · June 2021

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FantasticFreddie · June 2021

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

Congratulations, you have the world first completion.

Now prove the doubters wrong and do it again without the mods, show us all that ESO isn't going to go the way of WoW where addons like DeadlyBossMods made raids more a game of Simon Says than an actual raid.

https://youtu.be/QOZgUA8i6X4

Ellimist_Entreri · June 2021

Congrats! If only certain members of your group hadn't been so abusive in Shadowfen during the initial Kilt grind I am sure more people would be happy for you!

Odovacar · June 2021

Congrats! I'm a console player and I'm for sure not salty, lol. We'll get there eventually but more importantly super congrats to Calamity!

pelle412 · June 2021

It's so cringe reading all the comments in here dissing on their achievements, finding all possible imaginary reason to discount the enormous effort that went into this clear. I am pretty sure that everyone who posted negative comments would never be able to repeat that achievement given an infinite amount of time (if servers were frozen in time).

This is a world first achievement. If you play on console and feel bad about it, that's a personal choice you make.

B0SSzombie · June 2021

Congrats!

Now show us the Big Monster Lizard Mount!

Waseem · June 2021

OMG let's all be salty !!

World's first when almost nobody in the world knows if the game exists!

decent teamwork nonetheless

must've been tedious

Lady_Galadhiel · June 2021

Congratz!
Still I find the Senche from SS much cooler than this new mount.

preevious · June 2021

Gongrats !

I hope I'll get there someday !

And don't pay attention to all the negativity.
Those people are just jealous because they now that no matter what add-on or hardware they might use, they'll never accomplish a tenth of what you did.

spartaxoxo · June 2021

You know videos game are probably the only "sport" that have seen where people think bragging about beating someone not on a level playing field is normal, and that anyone who isn't impressed or points out an uneven playing field is just jealous.

Everywhere else you go, it's a part of champion's pride and competitie integrity to only brag when they have beat someone else in head to head competition and emerged victorious.

So in this situation they'd brag about being PC first rather than World first. Or be like "Oh I meant by region, wasn't thinking of other platforms" or something like that instead of saying people should just buy their own PC.

Just always been a weird part of video games to me. It's why it's harder for me to take esports seriously as a medium; I think. Outside of the tournament corporate sponsored stuff where everyone uses the same equipment.

Anyway, add-ons or not, I still think this was very hard to do and it's quite impressive you managed to beat the other PC players. This is probably one of the hardest trials to date. Anyone that can do them is a very skilled player, add-on or not. Kudos on that. Just because I think the title of the thread is stupid doesn't mean I don't think this isn't an accomplishment.

trackdemon5512 · June 2021

xSurge wrote: »

There's a lot of salty console players in the thread complaining about addons when they know FULL WELL, that if they could get those addons for their respective console, they'd be fully loaded in a heartbeat.

Not at all. We see what kind of havoc add-ons have done to PC where every aspect of developers intentions have an assist. Pricing goods competitively? Add-on. Locations of nodes and chests? Add-on. Where to stand/incoming attacks? Add-on.

What ZOS developed sans add-ons is essentially the purest form of the game and in that respect all PC would have over console are graphic and frame-rate options. PC went well beyond that on its own with player developed add-ons. Seriously it took more than a year between console and PC GODSLAYER ACHIEVEMENTS. The gear was the same for everyone between those points as were the conditions and player skill. Biggest factors were clearly add-ons and ZOS basically cranking up DPS possible damage to 11 in order to compensate.

sarahthes · June 2021

There's a lot of jealousy in this thread.

Trust me, if add-ons played the game for PC I'd be a much better player. All they do in Rockgrove is make it so you don't need a stopwatch to have kiters come into group periodically. Everything else has nice big red telegraphs. I'm pretty sure console has big red telegraphs for places you shouldn't stand also.

ArchMikem · June 2021

jecks33 wrote: »

(former console player, pc player now)

Console guys, you have to understand that you are playing a handicapped version of the game (eso is native on pc). Addons help but they don't play the game for you, it's the game that is way better on pc and the players are more competitive.

You gonna say how?

code65536 · June 2021

zelaminator wrote: »

How can you know that you are the first.?

It's quite simple: Look at the public leaderboard scores on every server/platform. There is a certain minimum score that a group must have, if they complete it within 30 minutes, with full vitality, and with all of the HM bonuses. No other group has passed that minimum threshold.

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Now try it without the add ons.

Addons don't help Rockgrove nearly as much as they do Kyne's Aegis. In Kyne's you have poorly-telegraphed abilities (meteors, in particular) for which addons can uniquely help. This is not the case in Rockgrove. While you may see many addon notifications in their video, I feel that many of them are superfluous and actually distracting. For example, I don't understand why the addon author decided to add the "Add Spawning" text on the first boss (the in-game telegraph is extremely obvious) or why the addon author decided to add a timer for the Prime Meteor detonation (it's not actionable information, plus, there is a pretty clear in-game telegraph indicating how close you are to detonation).

The more important "Now try it without" clause that I don't see anyone pointing out is not addons, but rather Mist Form, which points to major content balancing issues in this trial.

trackdemon5512 · June 2021

Jealousy. Hmmmmm

I know that if I put together my trial group, put in the time, and got the achievement I would feel proud. Anyone would. But as soon as it was put into the context of what it is amongst the total population of ESO games then the issue comes out that play between PC and Console is unbalanced and not comparable simply due to add-ons.

If I saw an achievement run sans add-ons for ANY content on PC then as a console player I would tip my hat and congratulate that player/s as I can empathize. But when I see what can arguably called a tool-assist run then congratulations are tampered.

Btw with both the PS5 and XBX out I expect to see the gap of time between Console and PC achievements significantly decrease. That said it’s not as if the consoles simply have unskilled players. Many are the best in the world and have overlaps with playing on PC. Even with that add-ons and PTS provide enough of a advantage and difference of experience that it can’t be overlooked and console has every right to look at those players and shrug as it’s not the same.

spartaxoxo · June 2021

"code65536 wrote: »

Addons don't help Rockgrove nearly as much as they do Kyne's Aegis. In Kyne's you have poorly-telegraphed abilities (meteors, in particular) for which addons can uniquely help. This is not the case in Rockgrove. While you may see many addon notifications in their video, I feel that many of them are superfluous and actually distracting. For example, I don't understand why the addon author decided to add the "Add Spawning" text on the first boss (the in-game telegraph is extremely obvious) or why the addon author decided to add a timer for the Prime Meteor detonation (it's not actionable information, plus, there is a pretty clear in-game telegraph indicating how close you are to detonation).

The more important "Now try it without" clause that I don't see anyone pointing out is not addons, but rather Mist Form, which points to major content balancing issues in this trial.

Now see this is actually a really good counterpoint. This actually makes it clearer why add-ons on this fight aren't as useful as with other vet clears. Great post.

I do think you're somewhat undervaluing pre-emptive reaction times vs reactive ones, but I'm more impressed now than I was before reading this

FantasticFreddie · June 2021

Yeah PC does have some advantages over console in the absolute end game, no one is arguing that.
Does not change that this is still the first Planesbreaker, and that is one heck of an achievement and they SHOULD be proud of it.

I also get a bit tired of console being bitter about PC. Yes, we have addons. The Elder Scrolls entire franchise has a long and noble history of community mods to the point it is almost as much part of the game as The Lusty Argonian Maid. Y'all know this. Start demanding better qol on consoles rather than trying to belittle the achievements on PC.

OutLaw_Nynx · June 2021

Brenan wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Now try it without the add ons.

Sorry, these threads always rub me the wrong way as PC players have the ability to do this on PTS for practice, use add ons etc. I would love to see a full trial with pc players not using add ons at all.

Grats on your clear.

How do you think we got the (only) pre nerf bahsei clear before addons existed. Get a score within 500 pc's asylum score. It's definitely the addons that tell you cast dots then use spammables until the next protector spawns.

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Would you like to buy me a gaming pc? You truly aren’t helping your case by insulting me for playing on a console where add ons aren’t there lol

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Bashev · June 2021

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Add-ons are a massive crutch. Lol. You cannot seriously think that they aren't insanely helpful.

I mean look at this.

Not to mention stuff like being able to swap gear with the press of a button to effortlessly have different gear bosses and trash packs.

I said it several times but if PvE mobs can complain the PvE nerfs will be missives.

I really dont know why ppl treat the addons differently? When such addon existed in PvP, all people united and said that is is unfair. Now when these addons exists in PvE, this is quality of life. Hypocrisy detected!

FantasticFreddie · June 2021

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Brenan wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Now try it without the add ons.

Sorry, these threads always rub me the wrong way as PC players have the ability to do this on PTS for practice, use add ons etc. I would love to see a full trial with pc players not using add ons at all.

Grats on your clear.

How do you think we got the (only) pre nerf bahsei clear before addons existed. Get a score within 500 pc's asylum score. It's definitely the addons that tell you cast dots then use spammables until the next protector spawns.

Sorry, these console players always rub me the wrong way as they have the ability to acquire the same piece of hardware, but just dont because they like having a crutch to fall back on when they die for the fourth time to the same mechanic then whip their controller into the wall

Would you like to buy me a gaming pc? You truly aren’t helping your case by insulting me for playing on a console where add ons aren’t there lol

I played the game for well over a year with a terrible $200 second-hand laptop. That's how I fell in love with the game, got nearly all of my first vet trial clears, etc.
I finally upgraded..... to a $600 dollar total gaming setup, everything used and cobbled together except the graphic card, which was new and my big "splurge" on myself for a milestone birthday. Used monitor, free mouse and keyboard, a wooden apple box to prop the monitor up on, and an old kitchen chair with a pillow on it to sit on.
And, it works great.
I did eventually get myself a gaming mouse.

Now, I haven't looked in a while, but when I first wanted to get into eso and was looking into ps4, even the USED ones were in the $300 range. Now there is ps5 to consider!
So yeah. I can definitely make the argument that pc is cheaper than console

sarahthes · June 2021

code65536 wrote: »

or why the addon author decided to add a timer for the Prime Meteor detonation (it's not actionable information, plus, there is a pretty clear in-game telegraph indicating how close you are to detonation).

I like to think it's because they want everyone to laugh at the absurdity of KILL SUN! every time it pops up. I know I do.

FantasticFreddie · June 2021

sarahthes wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

or why the addon author decided to add a timer for the Prime Meteor detonation (it's not actionable information, plus, there is a pretty clear in-game telegraph indicating how close you are to detonation).

I like to think it's because they want everyone to laugh at the absurdity of KILL SUN! every time it pops up. I know I do.

*notification pops up*
All 12 people in unison: "KILL SUN!!"

bharathitman · June 2021

b101uk wrote: »

xSurge wrote: »

There's a lot of salty console players in the thread complaining about addons when they know FULL WELL, that if they could get those addons for their respective console, they'd be fully loaded in a heartbeat.

you are assuming that it is just console players who are anti-addons because they cant have them, but that is wrong, as there is also some PC players too of that opinion, who believe in a level playing field for all in some game modes, and the ONLY way to achieve that is to prevent the use of mods.

Veteran stuff should be played in as pure a form as posable as intended with everyone having the same advantage and disadvantage and there being NO hand-holding in the form of mods.

With this opinion I am not sure you will achieve anything end game related in PC, unless you form a group of like minded players

jecks33 · June 2021

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Seriously it took more than a year between console and PC GODSLAYER ACHIEVEMENTS.

I was on ps4 eu when SS came out and LITERALLY one only group was strong enought to try for that achievement. Later I moved to PC and a lot of groups were progressing for GS. It's not because of addons, it's because of server population, the ammount of players who are in hardcore endgame and the competition that forge better players.
After that addons can help a bit...

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