Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

They should just have bosses always drop a body piece and a weapon/jewelry piece. It's not like it would break the dungeon economy or anything.

Nah, I don't need more body pieces. I'll already end the dungeon with 4 body and only 1 weapon OR 1 jewelry. So many solutions but this isn't one.

Zos should introduce Elite dungeons. Basically the same re-skin of each dungeons but with triple the difficulty, 6 man group, better drop rates, guaranteed gold mats and increased drop rate for a weapon/jewelry/armor piece you haven’t owned yet.

HM for each boss in elite dungeons. Elite Frostvault, HM Vault protector- Add Vertical lasers

To be fair, there is only 1 way of increasing your drop chances of a piece you haven’t owned before. That is by creating a new toon and grinding that specific dungeon. Medusa inferno staff just recently dropped on my lvl 35 tank when I went to normal arx and I was like huh? I’ve also collected 4 new additional pieces when I deconstructed them (can’t remember what they were).

A lot of people forget that if a baby toon collects a new piece, it is account wide. So I was able to reconstruct that lvl 35 Inferno Medusa into a lvl 160cp in my crafting toon .

Some posts say "it's an MMO and in other MMO there's lot of uttelry boring grinding, thus it's ok to have this in ESO because it's an MMO": I don't see the logical link here. MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online, not for Massively Multigrinding Online nor Mindless Monotony Online... Some other MMO games oblige to such time consuming torture of boredom, hence this one has to be like this too ? Come on... If this was a valid argument then we would still light fires with flint stones.

Some others want so much to leave a reply, that all they can say is in the likes of "just don't do it there are other sets" type of cynical comment: guys that's not the point (you could say "go lay an egg instead" and it'd be the same kind of rhetoric . We know there are other sets and myriads of possible combinations etc.).

I expected to be relieved of such a torture after about 50 runs max in that dungeon. There are so many dungeons in this game, and so many other things to do for spending my cash (and leisure time) into, so why would Zenimax take the risk of filling my psyche with boredom in a single dungeon for month just to have a chance of getting one inferno staff ? I'm about 100 runs now... That mechanic should be revisited: IMHO, considering this as some ineluctable or imposed "standard" for an MMO is simply ludicrous. It's time to be creative...

One solution: cancel my ESO Plus membership and run that dungeon until I finally get that staff !

Red99 wrote: »

The dungeon weapons drop system is COMPLETELY WRONG, if you are unlucky you have to run the same dungeon hundreds of time to try to get a specific weapon (not a perfect trait weapon just a generic trait cuz transmutation station), atleast the last boss should drop weapon+jewelery and not only weapon or jewelery

Which is why I don't do it. Not worth my time.

master_vanargand wrote: »

I want to sell dungeon equipment at the guild store.
Players can solve it with gold.

That might be a little too much as the population doing group dungeons would plummet especially for the older dungeons that vet players have run 100+ times already. They just need to have all items be able to drop from all bosses in the dungeons.

Got precise inferno Medusa my 5th run, vMA perfected inferno on my 2nd run. Took me 60-70 runs to get a Hollowfang Sash. Spent thousands of keys trying to get the right trait, right weight monster shoulders, and now they are super easy to get via reconstructing and now it’s a guaranteed number of transmutes for random normals and vet pledges. Sometimes you get what you want, sometimes you don’t. All RNG. Don’t change the system. ESO is a huge grind, if you don’t like grinding, probably the wrong game for ya. Not getting the gear you want, sucks, but it makes it that much better when ya do get it.

Digiman wrote: »

dehzr wrote: »

Got precise inferno Medusa my 5th run, vMA perfected inferno on my 2nd run. Took me 60-70 runs to get a Hollowfang Sash. Spent thousands of keys trying to get the right trait, right weight monster shoulders, and now they are super easy to get via reconstructing and now it’s a guaranteed number of transmutes for random normals and vet pledges. Sometimes you get what you want, sometimes you don’t. All RNG. Don’t change the system. ESO is a huge grind, if you don’t like grinding, probably the wrong game for ya. Not getting the gear you want, sucks, but it makes it that much better when ya do get it.

The people leave because they are burned out.... less players, less roles to fill. You get no groups and no loot, you get NOTHING!

People want to changes the system for the better, whats wrong with that. Like cops killing unarmed African Americans, or do you not like change for the better?

I guess I played back in vet rank days, where every character you had you had to level to max vet rank, no transmutes, nothing like that. If everyone got the gear they wanted, days/weeks/months down the road they would be bored playing I promise you, unless you are a role player or only craft etc. Plus, referring to cops killing unarmed people (how dare you assume that they identify as African American) to farming gear in ESO is inappropriate and quite pathetic. 😂 YIKES. Tbh, a lot of people I have met running random normals were farming for gear. So when people get the gear they need so easily why even run dungeons at all.?

dehzr wrote: »

Digiman wrote: »

dehzr wrote: »

Got precise inferno Medusa my 5th run, vMA perfected inferno on my 2nd run. Took me 60-70 runs to get a Hollowfang Sash. Spent thousands of keys trying to get the right trait, right weight monster shoulders, and now they are super easy to get via reconstructing and now it’s a guaranteed number of transmutes for random normals and vet pledges. Sometimes you get what you want, sometimes you don’t. All RNG. Don’t change the system. ESO is a huge grind, if you don’t like grinding, probably the wrong game for ya. Not getting the gear you want, sucks, but it makes it that much better when ya do get it.

The people leave because they are burned out.... less players, less roles to fill. You get no groups and no loot, you get NOTHING!

People want to changes the system for the better, whats wrong with that. Like cops killing unarmed African Americans, or do you not like change for the better?

I guess I played back in vet rank days, where every character you had you had to level to max vet rank, no transmutes, nothing like that. If everyone got the gear they wanted, days/weeks/months down the road they would be bored playing I promise you, unless you are a role player or only craft etc. Plus, referring to cops killing unarmed people (how dare you assume that they identify as African American) to farming gear in ESO is inappropriate and quite pathetic. 😂 YIKES. Tbh, a lot of people I have met running random normals were farming for gear. So when people get the gear they need so easily why even run dungeons at all.?

I agree that the simile could have been a little bit less extreme but the reality remains that there always will be people who would like to bring about change vs people who will staunchly defend the status quo.

In this case I am in the 'let's bring about change' camp.

The whole proposition of having people pull the slot machine arm for loot must be balanced with other means of acquisition; may it be giving the chance to do so via challenge rather than sheer chance, implementing the means to 'transmute' equipment into other pieces or equipment, all of the above or any other mechanism that can give a clear indication of effort required vs reward and a very definite time frame when it comes to working towards a goal.