Personally i really enjoyed vr content. To experience the other factions and visit new areas was very nice. Regarding what some of you wrote, that it seems that the character is not "growing", i disagree: with all the skill points i got i was able to level a third weapon line, enrich other skill lines that i neglected earlier and experiment a bit.

Shillen wrote: »

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

mcconnell2_ESO wrote: »

minack1preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lack of ideas. Laziness. Misguided belief that everyone enjoys leveling.

Most mmorpg players do enjoy leveling. Veteran is not leveling. You can play for 5 hours and not feel like you've made any progress on your character. 1500 quest xp in veteran zones is ***.

Thing is, even if you get all this exp, skyshards and levels what do you actually get for them? Some barely needed skill points and a few attribute points.

Skill lines are designed only until level 50-ish. Most are more or less maxed by then. Only the crafting ones are designed for further levels. Without any more skills to get or to morph, or any other actual development, leveling becomes a drudgery.

I would be happy if there was some kind of development even if you got little exp and leveling was slow. But there is not.

I think you're in the minority if you took all your combat skills by 50 and neglected crafting. All the people I know were spending points in crafting on the way to 50. I'm VR1 and I still have a ton of skills I can take that improve my combat ability.

I've only ever used 5 skills for my combat (plus one ult). I'm VR3 getting close to VR4, and still have had no problems with these 5 skills. I've seen no reason to change what works.

This has left me with a lot of skill points left over, I've fully invested in two crafting lines, the WW line (which I don't even use anymore), all applicable passives for my play style, and am beginning to play with the Alliance War lines. I'm also thinking about adding another crafting line because it looks like i'll have more than enough skill points for it.

I'm eagerly awaiting the Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood. I really hope those lines will offer some fun skills we can play with.

Shillen wrote: »

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

mcconnell2_ESO wrote: »

minack1preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lack of ideas. Laziness. Misguided belief that everyone enjoys leveling.

Most mmorpg players do enjoy leveling. Veteran is not leveling. You can play for 5 hours and not feel like you've made any progress on your character. 1500 quest xp in veteran zones is ***.

Thing is, even if you get all this exp, skyshards and levels what do you actually get for them? Some barely needed skill points and a few attribute points.

Skill lines are designed only until level 50-ish. Most are more or less maxed by then. Only the crafting ones are designed for further levels. Without any more skills to get or to morph, or any other actual development, leveling becomes a drudgery.

I would be happy if there was some kind of development even if you got little exp and leveling was slow. But there is not.

I think you're in the minority if you took all your combat skills by 50 and neglected crafting. All the people I know were spending points in crafting on the way to 50. I'm VR1 and I still have a ton of skills I can take that improve my combat ability. edit: And, yes, I did all the dungeons/quests and got all the skyshards in each zone.

I actually level enchanting, clothing and woodworking with most of the skill points already put into them. I have only 1/3 keen eyes and their material levels are like 5/9.

I play a sorcerer, I have all my class passives maxed, my racials and 99% of the passives that give me some benefit (for example those in the fighters guild). Also have almost all the actives of my class and 3 in the mage's guild with 5-6 exceptions which I will never use. I already don't use most of my actives, obviously. I am not a vampire or WW. I have solid 2 builds for different situations and skills I never use because they plainly suck - I just wanted to try them and I haven't respeced yet because I didn't feel the need to.

I have gotten every shard and done every quest in the normal content and I am pretty much maxed. If I wasn't maxed by 50 I was "maxed" by the time I finished the first VR area. Now in VR there is honestly no upgrades left for my character. I find it impossible to be in the minority except if people ignore skyshards alltogether.

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

I LOVE the stick but its missing the carrot.

Couldn't have said it better :P

Hexi wrote: »

You also have Craglorn or whatever coming next month, which if for vr10 people.

I really hate to sound pessimistic but the thing is that many will cancel theirs subs before they actually get to vr10 because of the reasons I mention in the post. My friend list is already "full" of VR1 players who hardly log in any more. Do you know what that means?(forgot to mention this in the OP!)

And even if they do release Crag, what is expected there? An item upgrade that is not menial? More skill points (where will we put them - ok don't answer this one)?

Just a heads up Craiglorn is for VR1 as well, the trials are for VR11-12 This was discussed in an AMA with Matt

Xnemesis wrote: »

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

I LOVE the stick but its missing the carrot.

Couldn't have said it better :P

Hexi wrote: »

You also have Craglorn or whatever coming next month, which if for vr10 people.

I really hate to sound pessimistic but the thing is that many will cancel theirs subs before they actually get to vr10 because of the reasons I mention in the post. My friend list is already "full" of VR1 players who hardly log in any more. Do you know what that means?(forgot to mention this in the OP!)

And even if they do release Crag, what is expected there? An item upgrade that is not menial? More skill points (where will we put them - ok don't answer this one)?

Just a heads up Craiglorn is for VR1 as well, the trials are for VR11-12 This was discussed in an AMA with Matt

I know, but let's not kid ourselves. Who would go at VR1 at crag? None at VR1 should even go at the first dungeons - they are pretty hard for VR1.

Also what will crag offer? More skill points? Where should I put them? In my orifice? Items? The difference itemization makes can hardly be considered important.

What we need is character development. Skill lines and skills designed to be maxed at VR10 - NOT just 50 lvl. Skills we will look forward to in veteran ranks. That's what we need. Why do you think that Cold H. is teeming with people, whereas VR areas are much less populated? Why aren't my friends who reached VR1 and VR2 logging any more? Until they understand this mistake, it will be too damn late.

Let me clarify on Veteran content.
YOu start by wasting precious years on creating content that, in an MMO, is pretty much nothing more than an extensive tutorial. This is called leveling and shall represent the progression of the typical RPG. Some of us, the clever and experienced ones, know already that this attempt, this type is pretty outdated.

MMOs have improved over the years and for some reason, people do not enjoy leveling as they enjoy a good endgame. Something that keeps you on your toes. Something that provides character development in a way that is not closely tied to leveling up. When hitting endgame, you are done with the labor of leveling and other stuff gets more important.

In WoW you have gear or tiers of gear, in DCUO you have tiers of gear plus skill points (equivalent to ESOs system. In ESO you hit 50 and ... keep leveling.

Now let me clarify this. Engame is a big deal. Those who dont have it will fail at some point, lose subs and thus money and eventually go f2p to attract a different audience.

Those who have endgame can somewhat stabalize the subs as long as endgame is good. You know, that quality thing we do hate so much.

Now, after years of wasting precious time on voiced quests, several beautifully conceptionalized areas and quests, tons of quests, someone at Zenimax studios might have walked into the office and asked the guys who are in charge what endgame they provide. And my guess is empty faces, sweaty pants, and finally no clue what to do.

So someone came up with Vet content. And believe it or not, it is a cheap and easy way to create content. However, it is not endgame. It is simply more leveling. You level from 1-10 ...you get better gear which you cant wear when you dont have the right level. I.e v1 wont wear v10 gear. He cant.

So what is wrong with vet content? It isnt vet content if that means endgame. It is simply more leveling. And the new zone they will launch at some point is even more leveling. So basically what we have right now is leveling ....and leveling ...and leveling. With no endgame at all.

Malediktus wrote: »

Why does the game need "endgame" if there is a constant flow of leveling content? Imho endgame is a terrible word.

Heres why? It's an MMO and this one in particular brings nothing 'for' group play except the endgame. All of your leveling is exclusively solo, since you end up in different instances even if in a group, when you make different choices in a quest.

I have to admit that Veteran content has left me bored. I feel like i'm doing 1-50 again but with no rewards. I want to choose different gear, I want to see differences in my character as I progress. I want to earn money to buy things, not repair my items and be penniless again.

It is so easy to level out other skills in vet content. I had everything morphed and to 4th level in resto skills from nothing in two or three zones just by setting my second weapon skills in it it and switched to that before I turn in quests. I am only answering the first post.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

the problem is indeed the fact that veteran content is a boring piece of ***. Quests in 99% of all mmos are trash and eso is no exception.

Why force people to do trash quests?

Quests here imo are above the average mmo quests but yes not much do change. The thing is that you quest without end for the bigger part of the game and see no change in your character or gameplay changes like you see 1-50.

Hello fellow ESO gamers, hi, it's your future healer. I'm at level 49 and about to get to the veteran content in less than 24 hours. I can understand completely that you are bored and alone without my demographic being there to accompany you; I'd be exactly the same way if I grinded way too fast within three weeks of a game launch for you to catch up. But rest assured, once I'm there, I will be able to help you through the content, and even tell some jokes (as I'm an incredibly funny individual) to help us pass the time while murdering and pillaging until we're ready for whatever is coming next. I say "coming next" because ZOS has promised more on the horizon... there's tons of reading on it; have you seen it?

Long story short, please just be a little patient. I know I'm a slow leveling guar... but I promise that I will rise to the standard that you've set, and we'll both be able to enjoy this fabulous universe in due time.

Love,
Your ever-loving squire of a Nightblade healer.

Very true, Sleepwalker.
Few of a guys in my guild got to vr first, I was in second 'batch', now around vr 5.
Rest of the pack is still behind, but they will get there eventually.
Look at how busy vr1 zones can be.
Vr4 and vr5 zones started to fill up a bit, I've had a 'circle' farm the other day in Rift ( a circle around all bosses, caves nd dolmens on the map ). We had over 12 people in the group and there was another group of around 8-10 people doing the same. So higher vr zones will fill up soon enough.
Lack of content?
Boring quests?
What are you talking about?
We are basicly doing quests of other alliance, with vr level difficulty adjustments.
I find it quite interesting.
I felt a bit uneasy at first to hear npc's say stuff about 'those scum from AD' ( lol ), but I started to enjoy this alternative storyline.
I am planning to finish as much of this content as possible and to take my time while doing that. No rush.
In the meantime 'rest of the pack' will catch up, just in time for new content release and we will all have an awesome time playing some endgame PvE/PvP.

I was really only being half serious because I'm half... okay whole... drunk. You guys got there a little fast. But, it's cool. The rest of us will be there soon, and the ES fans in us are SO chomping at the bit to go to the content with you. Just give us a little bit before you unsub. We'll help, I promise.

My only issue is that 1-50 you get xp for exploring new areas of the map and discovering everything, you even got xp for opening treasure chests! In the VR content you don't even get a small amount of VR points for exploring.

With a game that is so big on exploring why not reward us anymore? (I know it was only a little bit of experience but it was still fun for me running around making sure I had everything discovered.)