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What is wrong with Veteran content...
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Vet content for me was ok and fun ... until i hit VR 6 and was sent to AD alliance, now every public dungeon i enter has groups of 6-7 enemies spaced less than 15 metres apart that combo you to death unless i use dragon standard.
I think the public dungeons are "TO" party focused, meaning that if by any chance your the only one in there expect to die ALOT, i mean ALOT .... one quest inside had me go back to town TWICE to repair XD
Alone in the VR 7 zone is not nice and no one in my guild is even close to me and i wouldn't say i rushed either, i listen to every quest, have done every achievement.
I love a challenge but some of these public dungeons are to full of monsters.Edited by cubansyrusb16_ESO on April 24, 2014 11:01PM1 -
Hexi✭✭✭✭✭So what I'm seeing in this thread is, that you don't actually care about the game, at all. You just want soemthing tangible you can tell everyone else you had in ESO when you get bored and move onto the next MMO you go through and quit?
Yeah, ok.5 -
mcconnell2_ESO wrote: »minack1preub18_ESO wrote: »
Lack of ideas. Laziness. Misguided belief that everyone enjoys leveling.
Most mmorpg players do enjoy leveling. Veteran is not leveling. You can play for 5 hours and not feel like you've made any progress on your character. 1500 quest xp in veteran zones is ***.
Pretty sure you need to check your numbers on the quest vp that you get in the first veteran zone i was getting much more than that.
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Minack✭✭✭So what I'm seeing in this thread is, that you don't actually care about the game, at all. You just want soemthing tangible you can tell everyone else you had in ESO when you get bored and move onto the next MMO you go through and quit?
Yeah, ok.
I want to be able to level my veteran ranks efficiently in Cyrodiil and if I want to see the other faction's content, I'll level a new character. I don't want to do the same quests over and over and over and over again, just with a different faction flavor. I'm tired of the busy work -- That's all veteran content is at this point.Edited by ZOS_SilviaS on April 25, 2014 3:42AM0 -
Dalriaden✭✭✭cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »Vet content for me was ok and fun ... until i hit VR 6 and was sent to AD alliance, now every public dungeon i enter has groups of 6-7 enemies spaced less than 15 metres apart that combo you to death unless i use dragon standard.
I think the public dungeons are "TO" party focused, meaning that if by any chance your the only one in there expect to die ALOT, i mean ALOT .... one quest inside had me go back to town TWICE to repair XD
Alone in the VR 7 zone is not nice and no one in my guild is even close to me and i wouldn't say i rushed either, i listen to every quest, have done every achievement.
I love a challenge but some of these public dungeons are to full of monsters.
And some of those public dungeons are labeled group public dungeon and others solo public dungeon. IMO the best thing to do for vr is find at least one other person who has similar playtime to you to quest with. I roll with two guildies and depending on the situation we're 3 dps deep or tank healer dps. If I was solo I'd have to drop 19k on respecing to change morphs my armor line and go sword and board lol. Although some of the main story line quests for AD/DC seem like they might be overtuned for solo people which shouldn't be the case. That's just from watching my healer templar/fire staff friend die repeatedly on some of the ones we had already done.South_of_Heaven wrote: »I LOVE the stick but its missing the carrot.
Couldn't have said it better :PYou also have Craglorn or whatever coming next month, which if for vr10 people.
I really hate to sound pessimistic but the thing is that many will cancel theirs subs before they actually get to vr10 because of the reasons I mention in the post. My friend list is already "full" of VR1 players who hardly log in any more. Do you know what that means?(forgot to mention this in the OP!)
And even if they do release Crag, what is expected there? An item upgrade that is not menial? More skill points (where will we put them - ok don't answer this one)?
I'm 99% sure they announced craglorn was for vr1-10.Edited by Dalriaden on April 24, 2014 11:08PM0 -
South_of_Heaven✭✭✭So what I'm seeing in this thread is, that you don't actually care about the game, at all. You just want soemthing tangible you can tell everyone else you had in ESO when you get bored and move onto the next MMO you go through and quit?
Yeah, ok.
Huh? What the hell are you talking about? I am just asking for character development. Didn't you read the OP at all? Character development has always been one of the most prominent features of rpgs and it is half the fun in an rpg.
If there was any, veteran ranks would be far more entertaining, even if you did the same quests. And the gameplay would be different than the gameplay with an alt if, for example, you could morph your skills further. You would have something to look forward to.Like in 1-50. Your character wouldn't remain static.
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Brakkar✭✭✭chantry.hammondub17_ESO wrote: »VR dungeon rewards need a bit of work.
I've done my daily run on wednesday, BC and Spindleclutch. Got 0 epic quality loot, one blue ring. A friend in same party got armor piece he didn't want, but could use the ring I got, but ofc we can't trade armor/jewelry drops from vr dungeons. Even within same party that finished the dungeon.
There really have to be an option for that.
This is what I fear the most when thinking about 12 man content, that instead of 4 you will have 12 angry people, who got nothing for a lot of effort, or something thay can't even use.
Welcome to every dungeon/raid in every mmo?
Went through hsoo many many times without getting anything my guardian druid could use. Did i sit there and whine about it? No.
You don't need purples/yellows from a vr dungeon that isn't end game, and guess what, craglorn doesn't have a lockout so you can run it multiple times till you get that item that satisfies your epeen.
Please learn to read.
I provided constructive criticism and possible solution.
No whinig there at all.
Your trolling attempt was a really bad one.0 -
Hexi✭✭✭✭✭South_of_Heaven wrote: »So what I'm seeing in this thread is, that you don't actually care about the game, at all. You just want soemthing tangible you can tell everyone else you had in ESO when you get bored and move onto the next MMO you go through and quit?
Yeah, ok.
Huh? What the hell are you talking about? I am just asking for character development. Didn't you read the OP at all? Character development has always been one of the most prominent features of rpgs and it is half the fun in an rpg.
If there was any, veteran ranks would be far more entertaining, even if you did the same quests. And the gameplay would be different than the gameplay with an alt if, for example, you could morph your skills further. You would have something to look forward to.Like in 1-50. Your character wouldn't remain static.
Having 400 more in stats, vastly stronger gear and enchats is hardly nothing. You also get so many skillpoints that you aren't restricted to a single spec, but can be effective with a wider range of combinations because you can blow points on passives to actually make the skills useful.
The ability to tank, heal and dps EFFECTIVELY with a single character without respeccing is hardly "no progression" either.
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Dalriaden✭✭✭
Welcome to every dungeon/raid in every mmo?
Went through hsoo many many times without getting anything my guardian druid could use. Did i sit there and whine about it? No.
You don't need purples/yellows from a vr dungeon that isn't end game, and guess what, craglorn doesn't have a lockout so you can run it multiple times till you get that item that satisfies your epeen.
Please learn to read.
I provided constructive criticism and possible solution.
No whinig there at all.
Your trolling attempt was a really bad one.[/quote]VR dungeon rewards need a bit of work.
I've done my daily run on wednesday, BC and Spindleclutch. Got 0 epic quality loot, one blue ring. A friend in same party got armor piece he didn't want, but could use the ring I got, but ofc we can't trade armor/jewelry drops from vr dungeons. Even within same party that finished the dungeon.
There really have to be an option for that.
This is what I fear the most when thinking about 12 man content, that instead of 4 you will have 12 angry people, who got nothing for a lot of effort, or something thay can't even use.
If you say so bud. They could do like wow and give you 1 hour to trade bound dungeon items to people that were in that party which seems to be what you're constructive criticism was working toward. That said really dont think they should allow it in craglorn because it's a raid with no lockout.1 -
chantry.hammondub17_ESO wrote: »cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »Vet content for me was ok and fun ... until i hit VR 6 and was sent to AD alliance, now every public dungeon i enter has groups of 6-7 enemies spaced less than 15 metres apart that combo you to death unless i use dragon standard.
I think the public dungeons are "TO" party focused, meaning that if by any chance your the only one in there expect to die ALOT, i mean ALOT .... one quest inside had me go back to town TWICE to repair XD
Alone in the VR 7 zone is not nice and no one in my guild is even close to me and i wouldn't say i rushed either, i listen to every quest, have done every achievement.
I love a challenge but some of these public dungeons are to full of monsters.
And some of those public dungeons are labeled group public dungeon and others solo public dungeon. IMO the best thing to do for vr is find at least one other person who has similar playtime to you to quest with. I roll with two guildies and depending on the situation we're 3 dps deep or tank healer dps. If I was solo I'd have to drop 19k on respecing to change morphs my armor line and go sword and board lol. Although some of the main story line quests for AD/DC seem like they might be overtuned for solo people which shouldn't be the case. That's just from watching my healer templar/fire staff friend die repeatedly on some of the ones we had already done.South_of_Heaven wrote: »I LOVE the stick but its missing the carrot.
Couldn't have said it better :PYou also have Craglorn or whatever coming next month, which if for vr10 people.
I really hate to sound pessimistic but the thing is that many will cancel theirs subs before they actually get to vr10 because of the reasons I mention in the post. My friend list is already "full" of VR1 players who hardly log in any more. Do you know what that means?(forgot to mention this in the OP!)
And even if they do release Crag, what is expected there? An item upgrade that is not menial? More skill points (where will we put them - ok don't answer this one)?
I'm 99% sure they announced craglorn was for vr1-10.
Yeah the one i had to go out to repair twice was the 1st one in ghertwood, full of tigers and spriggans. tried for about an hour before going to rage kill level 5 wolfs XD .... yeah i didnt do that but that dungeon is insane.
It's almost like they just slipped on the difficutly setting in VR 7 zones and knocked it to max setting before the toggle snapping off.Edited by cubansyrusb16_ESO on April 25, 2014 1:38AM0 -
Wrekkoning✭✭Veteran points used to morph 10 abilities a third time. But only ten and have hem be noticibly better then the previous version. Since you can only have 10 then it should mean something...2
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Rackabones✭✭You know what is wrong? A full heavy armor player getting 2/3-hit kill by some mobs. There's no real balance with the npc damage on the veteran levels.5
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South_of_Heaven✭✭✭Wrekkoning wrote: »Veteran points used to morph 10 abilities a third time. But only ten and have hem be noticibly better then the previous version. Since you can only have 10 then it should mean something...
Exactly. Since all these levels and quest grind doesn't mean anything than just some small flat stat increase, there is not much incentive in leveling up or something to keep you interested when it comes to character development.
But as I said before, they will probably wait to lose players and subs before they realize that. I bet that if they have statistics of a large amount players currently in VR1-VR2, they are starting to show that they either have stopped playing or rolled an alt.
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Shimizu✭✭I like how I can do the other faction's content to progress veteran levels, as opposed to being forced to grind it all out in dungeons or pvp, which I'd likely never bother with.
However, for the sheer amount of xp you need to get from one veteran level to another, doing so feels very anticlimactic. Should definitely get attribute points, or some sort of special veteran alt. advancement or perk. Like, hi, welcome to VR5, you've unlocked a third weapon slot for swapping, or an armor-swap, or, you've unlocked three new ability hotkeys. Something.1 -
Anything past VR1+ isn't casual content anymore at this point. The difficulty is well setup, the challenges are nice. I don't really see a lack of progression yet. I went from VR1 -> VR2 and felt that my character significantly got stronger (crafted/enchanted VR2).
I'd be interested in seeing peoples builds/gear and why they feel ranking up doesn't provide a significant character progression?
Gears gets better, your soft caps get slightly better and you can diversify your build further (skill points). Weird.Toktok - Vet8 Orc Templar - 2 Hand, Medium/Heavy Armor Grunt - Blacksmith/Clothier/Enchanter/Alchemist1 -
Branbran✭✭Ugh, Veteran Ranks sounds very lame. It's just copy-pasted quests from the other the factions? I was hoping for something new. At least a slight twist or some changes. For instance, we would be on the side of the invading forces in the quests that involve our faction.
Not VR yet but pretty close and I'd rather stop at 50 and create a new character for a new faction than go through that kind of grind.Winter-Time
by Robert Louis StevensonLate lies the wintry sun a-bed,
A frosty, fiery sleepy-head;
Blinks but an hour or two; and then,
A blood-red orange, sets again.
Before the stars have left the skies,
At morning in the dark I rise;
And shivering in my nakedness,
By the cold candle, bathe and dress.
Close by the jolly fire I sit
To warm my frozen bones a bit;
Or with a reindeer-sled, explore
The colder countries round the door.
When to go out, my nurse doth wrap
Me in my comforter and cap;
The cold wind burns my face, and blows
Its frosty pepper up my nose.
Black are my steps on silver sod;
Thick blows my frosty breath abroad;
And tree and house, and hill and lake,
Are frosted like a wedding cake.0 -
GrundelWolfe✭✭@chantry.hammondub17_ESO
"Did you add more Veteran Ranks? There was a part in the video where the character was Veteran Rank 12! - Austin Parker
Craglorn and the Trials will range from Veteran Rank 11 to Veteran Rank 12, but you will be able to visit at Veteran Rank 1 or above."
I'm 99% sure that they specifically state that Craglorn is for VR 11 and 12... Being able to visit at VR1 does not make it playable at that level.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/04/14/ask-us-anything-craglorn?ref=homeEdited by GrundelWolfe on April 25, 2014 12:39PM0 -
Thywin✭Hopefully we will be able to level veteran ranks in craglorn effectively. Questing twice as much as we did from lvl 1-50 with increased difficulty and without any real rewards sounds a lot like work, not play...0
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Darzil✭✭✭I think that veteran content is mainly there to deal with a question of economics. Balanced RvR requires 3 sides. This means three PvE areas that aren't contested. Players would normally see only 1/3 of this without alts, so you're having to write 3x the content that most players see. With veteran content your players can see all the PvE content, so that dev time isn't as wasted. You aren't wanting to gate effective PvP behind veteran content, however, so PvP ability has to be largely unaffected by veteran content.0
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Ospoon✭✭mcconnell2_ESO wrote: »Zenimax CEO: "Most mmorpgs fail when players reach endgame and then quit. I need you guys to figure out a way to prevent that"
ESO Developer: "What if we put in a roadblock that stops people from ever wanting to reach endgame in the first place?"
CEO:" How fast can you implement this?"
ESO Dev:"I can do it in a few hours. It is really just a copy and paste job"
CEO:"F**k yeah! long weekend coming up im going to get wasted. See you guys in 6 months"
You jest, but these conversations really do occur, more often than you'd think.
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Askadelia✭✭✭My girlfriend and I are looking forward to the VR-zones.
Groupplay at our lev is just to easy. We want those challanges, where grouping in the open world is effective.1 -
Vodkaphile✭✭✭Veteran zones are emptier and emptier of players as you progress.
Because people in VR are the extreme minority. I am VR3, and when I was VR1 the area was a ghost town. Now, when I go back to Daggerfall (VR1 for me) the town is SWAMPED with people. The main leveling group is just getting there now, dont be confused by the extreme players who got to VR10 in what seemed like a day, or people that grinded it for a week; most people, I'd say 90%+ are just getting into VR now.0 -
TieFighter✭✭✭Most of you veteran players got there from endless hours of grinding the same camp/dungeon till it was time to go to another camp/dungeon- ESO isnt for your type. Elder Scrolls has always been about being a influential character in a story...
I am glad they designed veteran levels to gain veteran exp from questing- now we get to see you grinders complain about how hard it is to level in veteran contentEdited by ZOS_AnaP on April 27, 2014 6:39AMDa'Hui DC imperial mage dragonknight(retired but retained)
Hand Saryn Valor EP dunmer templar(mage/healer)
Pergan Asuul AD dunmer dragonknight(dps firemage)
Mi'Mosa EP imperial nightblade(stamina)
Limu'Kai EP Sahxleel dragonknight(vampire mage)1 -
acelasiholoSoul ShrivenSo much butthurt. Hope they won't do the game easier or trash the vet ranks because of these BarbiePlayHouseCutePonyRainbow MMO players. BTW i'm rank 10 and my friendlist it's "full" of vet 4-10 who are playing the hell out of this game. The rewards suffice, exp it's more than enough, 1 vr zone = 1 vr lvl, that's the way it's meant.0
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gunsofdeschain✭✭✭Reposting this here:
After reaching VR2, I doubt if I'm going to keep playing this game. I need immersion to play through the campaign. When I'm forced to play through the other campaigns with everyone forcing me to backstab my original faction for some cheap story reason, being addressed to as someone without a soul etc.,[when the entire story was about you getting it back] it just makes me cringe.
Then I decided to do veteran dungeons, which turn out to be super hard as a VR1. However, I managed to finish one and got some semi-decent gear, except I can't use any of them until I am VR5. So in order for me to get better in the dungeons, I need better gear and for me to use better gear I need to grind solo PvE stuff. And it is a grind. I would have loved to roll an alt and start a new toon, have some immersion and a bit of roleplay, but then I still would be barred easy access to dungeons because I have not levelled VR on my toons.
Also, please change maintenance day from Friday to some other day. Monday and Thursday perhaps? It is annoying for us Aussies and it isn't going to affect your precious entitled NA players, who almost always want to troll us for making the suggestion.2 -
gunsofdeschain✭✭✭No progression? lol... just... lol. I'm VR6, bring any lvl50 against me in Cyrodiil and I'll demolish them one on one.
Sure, it's not as drastic as levels before VR, but it is significant.
Gear brah. Just VR6 gear vs crappy level 50 player in his 45+gear. How is that progression in any meaningful way?
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niocwy✭✭✭This thread is very interesting.
I'm currently lvl 26 with my main, playing solo, and and alt lvl21 with which I play with friend/guildies. And I always wondered : how will I experience VR content ?
At first, I was like "Doing other factions' quest ? that's nice !" since I didn't plan to make alts on other factions. And thinking about 2 more areas to explore, lore to discover, quests to do...man, I would like it.
Then I heard that VR content was actually difficult. I like this game, but so far (and I know I'm just lv26) I find combat easy. Especially when I play in group. I guess I'm okay with it, and moreover that's the standard for an MMO now. I still have fun so I won't complain much. But if VR content adds even a tiny bit of difficulty in the game then I think I'll play all of it gladly
Now, here, I can read that some of you find that character progression is not so great in VR content,or that incentive is lacking. And I can say I expected that. I'll live it myself.
Again, interesting thread.Look at my profile picture. Visualize that muffin...smelling it...taking a bite...
Are you hungry now ?
Good.0
this is not sounding promising