Lol that just magic this hits harder with stam build wow you should try it

@Gilvoth remember that you complained about someone raising a red flag about this, when in a couple months, you'll be in imperial city farming for a new monster helm only to be hit with 50k crit from a gankblade. In the back. Out of nowhere.

How do you play against that? If this goes through I have a khajiit nightblade I've been sitting on for a while that will have a new purpose....

Gilvoth wrote: »

every single patch u guys do this against the developers and the community.
its really getting annoying and old.

You are just a biased NB so I understand you want this stuff in the game

Mirona_Thetin wrote: »

As far as I remember, the bonus damage of sneak attacks was removed for PVP in 2017.

The PTS patch notes do not tell that the bonus damage is applied to PVP again, so maybe it is still only for PVE ...

That should hold true but this is zos we are talking about. So I still consider it too OP for PVE.
If it's in PvP the implications are nightmarish to say the least

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Mirona_Thetin wrote: »

As far as I remember, the bonus damage of sneak attacks was removed for PVP in 2017.

The PTS patch notes do not tell that the bonus damage is applied to PVP again, so maybe it is still only for PVE ...

Shhh, someone hit an overland mob for 100k with an ultimate! Don't be reasonable!

I'd be interested to see this in use in cyro or BGs. It likely won't even crop up in BG due to the lack of cp, so if there is even a little active population on PTS cp cyro, could someone share their assassination attempts?

There was also a 73K arterial burst in there as well. But soul harvest is a pretty cheap ultimate regardless. And at least on a gank build, you aren't really worried about needing it again immediately.

Fixed an issue where the guaranteed Critical Strike and bonus damage from attacks made while hidden in crouch would fail on many attacks. It will now properly grant a guaranteed Critical Strike on your next Direct Damage attack, deal 46% bonus damage if a Ranged attack (now Magical and Martial, rather than only Martial), 275% bonus damage if a Melee attack (Magical and Martial, rather than only Martial), and Stun the target on Martial or Magical melee attacks.
Note the bonus Critical Damage is still reduced significantly and these values are their original versions.

Hahahahahhahahahahha.

Omg lol why. The whole "crit is OP" discussion is already "NBs burst is OP" discussion.
You gave everyone 20% crit resistance just because NBs are OP otherwise, nerfing all crit setups in PvP to completely unusable state.

And now you give bonus damage on attack from cloak, as if cloak's guaratneed crit wasn't enough in the first place?

This is clearly a big oversight. Remove that bonus damage completely.

JobooAGS wrote: »

I want to see numbers on a player.

Multiply by 0.35 approximately. Take into account that next spammable is unavoidable too.

JobooAGS wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

I want to see numbers on a player.

Multiply by 0.35 approximately. Take into account that next spammable is unavoidable too.

But the damage boni from stealth hasn't worked for players since I think morrowind, which is why I asked.

They appear to have fixed it with this patch.

Someone would have to test if the stealth bonus crit damage works against players. It used to but it was patched out intentionally during morrowind and nowhere in the pts notes does it say that it has been reenabled against players.
For people that werent around pre morrowind, with the crit damage from stealth it was possible to land 30k+ crits from stealth with a single ability which would oneshot most players back then.

divnyi wrote: »

Fixed an issue where the guaranteed Critical Strike and bonus damage from attacks made while hidden in crouch would fail on many attacks. It will now properly grant a guaranteed Critical Strike on your next Direct Damage attack, deal 46% bonus damage if a Ranged attack (now Magical and Martial, rather than only Martial), 275% bonus damage if a Melee attack (Magical and Martial, rather than only Martial), and Stun the target on Martial or Magical melee attacks.
Note the bonus Critical Damage is still reduced significantly and these values are their original versions.

Hahahahahhahahahahha.

Omg lol why. The whole "crit is OP" discussion is already "NBs burst is OP" discussion.
You gave everyone 20% crit resistance just because NBs are OP otherwise, nerfing all crit setups in PvP to completely unusable state.

And now you give bonus damage on attack from cloak, as if cloak's guaratneed crit wasn't enough in the first place?

This is clearly a big oversight. Remove that bonus damage completely.

They didn't add bonus damage to cloak, they added it to crouch attacks, which means you can use such an attack once in combat as an opener. Don't confuse this with cloak.

Nevertheless, this is overkill, it absolutely must be toned down.

azjuwelz wrote: »

Malacath is supposed to prevent critical hits.... Seems like a glitch

This is why I'm not taking this thread seriously, btw. Not trying to shame you in particular Az, but malacath on pts was changed to allow crits.

No, I'm not suggesting what was presented is balanced. I suggest testing it on players who actually have more than 15% mitigation.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

This is clearly busted and not intentional.. Why anyone is trying to defend it literally blows my mind. You don't need to test a 100k hit on a player to know it hits too hard. It will be somewhere around half that... maybe less, but not by much...

Here's another good example of what I'm talking about..

That mob has 7-14k resistances as an overland enemy.

Players have a higher resistance, but for giggles let's factor that out. Any player in the game has a base 10% damage mitigation, and the 50% malus from battle spirit.

100k * .5 *.9 alone brings us to 45k.

That assumes a totally naked player with no crit resistance (somehow, because you have over one thousand and some-odd base), and any buffs that player might be using such as minor protection, CP direct damage mitigation, and player damage resistance.

Please, please, test this against a person and record the findings.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

This is clearly busted and not intentional.. Why anyone is trying to defend it literally blows my mind. You don't need to test a 100k hit on a player to know it hits too hard. It will be somewhere around half that... maybe less, but not by much...

Here's another good example of what I'm talking about..

That mob has 7-14k resistances as an overland enemy.

Players have a higher resistance, but for giggles let's factor that out. Any player in the game has a base 10% damage mitigation, and the 50% malus from battle spirit.

100k * .5 *.9 alone brings us to 45k.

That assumes a totally naked player with no crit resistance (somehow, because you have over one thousand and some-odd base), and any buffs that player might be using such as minor protection, CP direct damage mitigation, and player damage resistance.

Please, please, test this against a person and record the findings.

Please show us a clip of you hitting a mob for 100k.

That this was all you could respond with gives me hope that a little bit of what I said sank in.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

This is clearly busted and not intentional.. Why anyone is trying to defend it literally blows my mind. You don't need to test a 100k hit on a player to know it hits too hard. It will be somewhere around half that... maybe less, but not by much...

Here's another good example of what I'm talking about..

That mob has 7-14k resistances as an overland enemy.

Players have a higher resistance, but for giggles let's factor that out. Any player in the game has a base 10% damage mitigation, and the 50% malus from battle spirit.

100k * .5 *.9 alone brings us to 45k.

That assumes a totally naked player with no crit resistance (somehow, because you have over one thousand and some-odd base), and any buffs that player might be using such as minor protection, CP direct damage mitigation, and player damage resistance.

Please, please, test this against a person and record the findings.

Please show us a clip of you hitting a mob for 100k.

That this was all you could respond with gives me hope that a little bit of what I said sank in.

😂 Narcissism aside. When was the last time you hit a mob for 100k? I can guarantee that will hit a player for 30-40k and that is taking into account variable resistances.

There is no need to elaborate or rationalise this quite simply when was the last time I hit a mob for 100k in PvP gear.

Back in 2015/2016, I could heavy attack the back-alley thugs in wayrest for 70k from stealth with a greatsword. I'd record it to show it to you, but currently ZOS has borked the sneak attack damage (the fix mentioned above is to allow this to return). This was also before there was a 40% buff to heavy attacks with empower. With the new CP changes introducing a percentile increase to light and heavy attacks? I'd be more than willing to be my dog-crap tier hunding's and VO combo would provide close to that, if not the same 100k you're looking for. No gimmicky vampire toggle, no ultimate, just a freaking heavy attack.

But all this is entirely irrelevant to my query about how this handles a player, so I'll wait till someone posts that.