Ya'll talking about PvE, PvE and PvE (Trials, Dungeons, Overland...)

I'm just sitting here thinking about how Battlegrounds forcibly puts you in a "group" with three other people.
Completely dumpstered item. GJ ZoS.

All i know is that with the changes. Vampires became absolutely useless once again in trials... We can only pray we get some lifesteal on our passives (Bc drain is also useless)

It's true that 16% for duo groups is not much of a nerf. 12% for trio groups is still good, but it's a big nerf compared to the 18% they got before. I'm not saying the ring is trash for such small groups, just that it isn't as good as before, and I'm struggling to figure out why the nerf is needed.

Can we please make the Ring adapt to healer support instead of literally becoming more of detriment than no ring equipped when we are in a large group?

Either that or fix Blood Frenzy for Trials and Dungeons. Ring of the Pale Order is the only way to heal myself while Frenzied RN.

can someone confirm if solowing with companion with the ring, actually nerf the right right away for having a companion?

Tethilia wrote: »

Actually now that I think about it, having a Tank companion would probably be enough to solo most dungeons. That might be a good protest for this nerf, just don't join dungeons anymore and use your companions.

wish you could teach your companion to block
and move out of the red

This item is already tier3 in PvP due to the lack of cross-heals. Now it is just murdered.

I haven't seen this asked yet, but what is the actual restriction? Strictly being in a group? What if the other person(s) is in a different zone; does that decrease the heal? Would really suck if so since I often have someone offline in my group for dungeon/arena resets.

Welp, there goes my vampire build in group content. Sure by myself it's now super strong, but if I group up with anyone it's making me not want to play with anyone. And it's not like I can instance with everyone then drop group like in trials of dungeons, because the moment I do the timer starts ticking and I get booted out.

There should be a minimum to how low the healing from the ring can go. Maybe 2-4%?

If this is the result of feedback from healers, I'm glad we're being "heard," but man I hate this ring and I hate the mechanic introduced with vampires giving players any kind of benefit in exchange for not being able to receive heals elsewhere.

I think that entire idea should be removed from the game and that the Ring of the Pale Order should have zero effect if you are grouped. Period. It still is more useful than what they did for the Thrassian's nerf because you can still use it for soloing.

Tired of thinking I'm bugged or my UI has an issue or I'm disconnecting as my heals don't "land" due to someone forgetting to take off the ring.

Yes, this game is for solo players too. So, only introduce solo mechanics for when someone is solo. Seems easy enough. Until I can wear something as a healer that makes taunts not work and damage abilities can't do damage, there will be no equivalent in this game to the awfulness that this ring/concept introduced for healers.

And honestly I don't think it's a viable argument that this ring has a place for duos and trios. The community was duo-ing and trio-ing things just fine before this ring was released, and the sooner it forgets about this as a "tool" for these challenges, the better.

The healer in the group shouldn't be inconvenienced because someone is wearing this... desperately trying to figure out why they can't save someone. Instead the best solution is that one's DPS is compromised until they notice, without any impact to the healer trying to help them as we can't do gear inspections or know for sure if it is us or not. Just not a cool position to be in, honestly.

It's pretty much a terrible change from terrible feedback. I guess that throws out vampires entirely from group play. Again.

Personally I think they need to pick a downside for the ring, either no heals from group members or this reduced effectiveness nerf they have now. Also to everyone saying that this ring makes healers useless, this isn't anything new. When everything is either a oneshot or negligible damage there is no reason not to run 3 dps. Even if they completely removed this ring from the game nothing would change, the meta will still be 3dps and a tank for 4man content because this game is designed that way.

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Immobilechaosbot wrote: »

nice, vampires cant do trials anymore

What?

This is a buff, most people will only use this ring when solo because using this in a group or a trial will result in them getting kicked and not only has the heal cap been increased by 2% but the damage per heal cap has been removed, if you can pull even 20k DPS this will heal you for 4k damage per second.

Not to mention this is a massive buff for those who use Blood Frenzy, now the upkeep time will be even higher.

It’s a nerf within the context the person said, ‘..can’t do trials’

The ring doesn’t do anything in trials at all, meaning vampires that are stacking are not healing from dmg.

I knew a nerf would come one day - As a vamp in trials I was now able to hit 99 stacks. I got so good at dmg utilization, keeping adds stacked with dots, and making sure I ran my own self heal to power me through my últ.

But a complete zeroing out is an issue to me. Playing a toggle vamp in trial content, is very challenging. We all died a lot getting used to it, and sometimes one small mistake gets us killed.. even if the dmg taken is only 1k.

I believe they should nerf pale order, but they need to nerf it within the context of its own lore. It is a ring for the undead, not for joe-shmo. Even if I could retain 2% heals per total dps dealt per sec (in a trial) as a vamp - it would be a nerf, but I could build around it. I could still enjoy my path in dps. I could still feel the challenge of avoiding all the damage I could.

PO is dead for the large portion of the community that do cyrodil groups and trials. It will no longer be bis for a vamp build.

I agree it’s buffed for solo content - but in solo arenas with this new design - if your not a vampire with toggle and PO your chances of being leaderboard won’t exist.