Merforum wrote: »

hackdrag0n wrote: »

There is actually a point where more weapon or spell damage becomes more beneficial than more crit though so I'm not sure why it needs more nerfing. If crit were flat out better medusa sorrow would be stronger than sorrow siroria on the dummy but it's not.

I do agree it's not CP that's making top guilds so far ahead of most. It's player skill and the ability to calculate the optimal trial composition for maximum damage, without having to worry about survivability because they already know the content so well. They can't fix this easily because every time a set or class gets nerfed the l33ts will just sit down and work out a new way to break the game.

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

So crit just shouldn’t exist in your opinion?

Remember my comment are based on ZOS repeatedly writing they want to lower then 'ceiling' and I have said for a long time that Crit chnc/dmg in this game have always been way overtuned, in every other game I can think of crit chance is something HARD to ATTAIN and never allowed to be 100%, not even 50%. Also stat stacking is an issue.

But luckily there instead of trying to tweak 100s of sets, skills, stats, etc, there is a simple fix, IMPLEMENT CAPS. This way even if someone finds some secret combination of stuff that is way overpowered it will still only do X amount of whatever they want to have any control over. Kind of like resistance is.

Quickest fix is cap DPS on bosses, for instance the can take X damage in a second and anything over that value they just absorb, this way ZOS will have a perfect way to design content and not making it impossible for some while easy for others.

Then if they want even more control, they can add Caps on all stats, dmg, heal, etc. As example they currently put cap on shield skill of 50% max health but then turn around and let someone cast TWO shield skills or use proc sets or get shield from team etc, kif they just had CAP that said any shield per second on anyone could only be 50% of their max health, problem solved. It is actually pretty simple and solves most of issue with least work. Then instead of spending so much time on this they could focus on lag and bug fixes.

Sounds logical but also boring, theory crafting is very important for this game. And with hard caps things get stale and blend very quickly.

So eldritch insight is now 520 only?

So the few passives we have are now basically useless greeeat

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Mastercris91 wrote: »

So eldritch insight is now 520 only?

Yes. Simply cut in half on some. Here are max values for some un/changed passives:

Blue
520 max stats (Eld. Insight/ Tireless Disc.)
320 crit chance ~1,4% (Precision)

700 penetration (Piercing)
60% status effects (flawl. ritual, battle mastery)
100 wpn/spll dmg (war mage, mighty)

2% healing taken (quick recovery)
2% dmg reduction (hardy, elemental aegis)
10% decreased npc dmg (preparation)

2% healing done (blessed)

Red
240 dodge cost (tumbling)
220 break free cost (defiance)
560 health (hero's vigor)

4% sprint speed (hasty)
40 sprint cost (sprinter)

40 block cost (tirel. guard.)
90 bash cost (savage defense)
6% bracing speed (nimble prot.)
4% block mitigation (fortification)

LOL so the difference between someone specced to be a healer and any other role is 2% healing? OP!!

Yeah this new system feels so... bland and dull. Why would I care or look forward to leveling for 2% healing done or 1.4% crit.

Complaints about cp 2.0 had nothing to do with the passives being too powerful, the complaints were about how much points and time it took to reach those thresholds.

The obvious solution the playerbase wanted was to reduce the cost, without reducing the values. This is a game and an MMO at that, this is one of the only sources of veritcal progression in the game and means close to nothing. A game should be first and foremost FUN. Nothing was fun about leveling 120 times just to get 1k stamina, and it certainly doesn't feel any better leveling 120 times for 500 stamina and 1.4% crit so they achieved absolutely nothing, but making cp2.0 feel useless.

Not sure why they thought this would please the community and acted like this is what we asked for.

smh

With every new update since CP 2.0 I have had less and less incentive to log on to play the game. The newest downdate has literally killed off my bow/bow warden, due to not being able to reach the 5k weapon damage required for the new proc set changes. Two abilities I do use have now been changed to bleed damage so they lost their physical damage, meaning Thaumaturge is pretty much the only star that adds to the damage other than weapon damage.

Halving all passive costs so it's easier to get optimal would of made more sense if we'd not lost half of the passive bonus. In short, there is no reason for me to play the game at all, this downdate will pretty much mean I do not need to grind CP as I'm at (sub) optimal ZOS standard.

In the end, CP 2.0 has removed any diversification in classes and builds, as most dps in Cyrodiil run around with two handers and no doubt most will run about with two handers in PvE due to the proc set changes and the needed 5k damage. Anyhow, half the passive power, a new star we can't slot due to only having four slots for the blue tree only exasperates the issue of poorly implemented design, which, kills the fun of what ESO was. I'll not go into the whole penetration issue stamina builds have, or the fact that bow has had nothing but nerfs since the CP2.0.

Such a shame I can't get a refund on my Blackwood pre-order, as I feel ESO is losing it's charm for me.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Mastercris91 wrote: »

So eldritch insight is now 520 only?

Yes. Simply cut in half on some. Here are max values for some un/changed passives:

Blue
520 max stats (Eld. Insight/ Tireless Disc.)
320 crit chance ~1,4% (Precision)

700 penetration (Piercing)
60% status effects (flawl. ritual, battle mastery)
100 wpn/spll dmg (war mage, mighty)

2% healing taken (quick recovery)
2% dmg reduction (hardy, elemental aegis)
10% decreased npc dmg (preparation)

2% healing done (blessed)

Red
240 dodge cost (tumbling)
220 break free cost (defiance)
560 health (hero's vigor)

4% sprint speed (hasty)
40 sprint cost (sprinter)

40 block cost (tirel. guard.)
90 bash cost (savage defense)
6% bracing speed (nimble prot.)
4% block mitigation (fortification)

LOL so the difference between someone specced to be a healer and any other role is 2% healing? OP!!

Because ESO is roleplay simulator now

Do they constantly nerf stuff in this game, or is this just an unlucky time to play it right now?
Because to me as a player, it's extremely off-putting... It feels useless to play the game right now for progress, as anything you do can get nerfed in the next patch, and right now actually is being nerfed.

I've played a lot of mmo's in my life, but I must say, the crap going on here, I haven't really seen before...

From what I can see, the only point I need CP at all is so that I can use my fishing perks and not have to do a CP respec from riding speed.

All those CP for tiny increments in mitigation? WHO CARES at this point? Why bother at all? Two percent healing? Again why bother at all. Its just a stepping stone to the slottables.

I spend all those points in roll dodge and block reduction just to have it halved? I really don't need the extra points "saved" from this change, and I'm not maxed CP. Is speed so OP that it had to be halved. Really?

Between this and all the set changes, I'm exhausted.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Mastercris91 wrote: »

So eldritch insight is now 520 only?

Yes. Simply cut in half on some. Here are max values for some un/changed passives:

Blue
520 max stats (Eld. Insight/ Tireless Disc.)
320 crit chance ~1,4% (Precision)

700 penetration (Piercing)
60% status effects (flawl. ritual, battle mastery)
100 wpn/spll dmg (war mage, mighty)

2% healing taken (quick recovery)
2% dmg reduction (hardy, elemental aegis)
10% decreased npc dmg (preparation)

2% healing done (blessed)

Red
240 dodge cost (tumbling)
220 break free cost (defiance)
560 health (hero's vigor)

4% sprint speed (hasty)
40 sprint cost (sprinter)

40 block cost (tirel. guard.)
90 bash cost (savage defense)
6% bracing speed (nimble prot.)
4% block mitigation (fortification)

LOL so the difference between someone specced to be a healer and any other role is 2% healing? OP!!

Well, I’m not a fan of the changes, but I don’t really agree with this claim either. The difference in being specced to healer is that you need to slot at least two healing (HoT and AoE heal) stars instead of the dmg ones. Currently the critical dmg/healing star is shared and the fourth one for the healer is pretty useless or “up to your preferences” (I usually have the max mag one, because I don’t have enough cp to make much use of the dmg ones with the forced 10 in piercing). Single target heal cp imho is useful only in vSS hm ice tombs especially when thinking about wardens. And in the future I expect the random fourth star to be replaced with either the recovery giving star or the ulti gen providing star (maybe the other healer having the other and the other having the other?). When it comes to Blessed, yeah, of course healer has that maxed but also my tanks have at least two stages in it so it’s not as healer specific as the slottable ones.

I just recently resubbed to ESO, because i thought Zenimax would take some steps in the right direction. Took a mere month for them to remind me why i left in the first place by releasing the new patch notes, lol. [snip] Not that i care about 1 or 2% damage gain or loss, but their reasoning is just totally off. [snip]
At least we have companions now to replace the "play- the-way-you-want-folks", which should be a DPS increase of about 10-20% overall in pugs, so thanks for that, i guess.../irony off

[edited for baiting]

The star reductions basically halved the star cost and benefits for nearly all the non slotted passives;

They should move the below 25% heal that removes negative effects to the new subtree, since it fits the grouping and make it easier to access.

For passives:

It should either be you only need half as many points to reach the same power level as now

Or

Diminishing returns at each level

So it looks like that for last year they worked mostly for complicated, new CP system which is almost useless in pair with technically complicated companions that are even more useless