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Oats
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Altissimus✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi all,
We can confirm that oats and tomatoes are indeed in the game and working as intended. We double checked when we started seeing threads like this, just to be sure.
Here's a little info, to help you:- Currently, you will never find oats or tomatoes out in the world. This is working as intended.
- Both oats and tomatoes are only available from Provisioner Hireling boxes. They are rare by design.
- They're only available if you have the Provisioner Hireling passive skill to Rank 2 or greater.
Well, thanks for the response.
It would be helpful to know these sorts of things through some sort of in-game method, such as marking Oats and Tomatoes as "rare", for example, or placing an indicative marker on the recipe.
Bit miffed, though, to be honest, because:
1) you have to spend skill points to unlock purple recipes, AND
2) you have to have the purple recipe, which is ALSO rare, AND
3) you have to have rare materials too?
Bit of a rare-on-rare-on-rare stack there, in my opinion.
Think I'll be respeccing those points in Provisioning into something else.
Purple food just simply isn't worth it on this basis, when blue food is quite adequate and SO MUCH easier to make, in comparison.
A.
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Gunavar✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi all,
We can confirm that oats and tomatoes are indeed in the game and working as intended. We double checked when we started seeing threads like this, just to be sure.
Here's a little info, to help you:- Currently, you will never find oats or tomatoes out in the world. This is working as intended.
- Both oats and tomatoes are only available from Provisioner Hireling boxes. They are rare by design.
- They're only available if you have the Provisioner Hireling passive skill to Rank 2 or greater.
This isn't true. We have found oats and tomatoes in the world in barrels. Not with the passives.
Why are those items supposed to be rare when making veteran rank 5 purple food requires more common food items?
Grithok is correct. These items can be found from sources that are not hireling bags. If they were only available from those bags, that would be even worse design.
This is the second time in two days where someone from ZOS has tried to comment on the way a game mechanic works only to be quite wrong in their explanation. It's a little sad when the company doesn't even know how their game works.
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✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi all,
We can confirm that oats and tomatoes are indeed in the game and working as intended. We double checked when we started seeing threads like this, just to be sure.
Here's a little info, to help you:- Currently, you will never find oats or tomatoes out in the world. This is working as intended.
- Both oats and tomatoes are only available from Provisioner Hireling boxes. They are rare by design.
- They're only available if you have the Provisioner Hireling passive skill to Rank 2 or greater.
This isn't true. We have found oats and tomatoes in the world in barrels. Not with the passives.
Why are those items supposed to be rare when making veteran rank 5 purple food requires more common food items?
Grithok is correct. These items can be found from sources that are not hireling bags. If they were only available from those bags, that would be even worse design.
This is the second time in two days where someone from ZOS has tried to comment on the way a game mechanic works only to be quite wrong in their explanation. It's a little sad when the company doesn't even know how their game works.
Yeah, I've heard of people finding them in boxes RARELY, they are far too rare at the moment
... 4 tomato can make 16 foods though which is 32 hours of buffs I guess, though. Still pretty low since you probably won't get them very often from the hirelings from what I've heard. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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ZOS_JessicaFolsomCommunity ManagerNeither oats or tomatoes are supposed to be coming out of anything other than Hireling boxes. If they are, that's a bug. Those of you who are saying you've definitely gotten them recently out of something other than a Hireling box, what kind of container was it?5 -
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Grithok✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Neither oats or tomatoes are supposed to be coming out of anything other than Hireling boxes. If they are, that's a bug. Those of you who are saying you've definitely gotten them recently out of something other than a Hireling box, what kind of container was it?
This isn't trolling, but I am reluctant to do this since I believe putting them in bags where we have to log in twice a day to get them is not a great thing if I want to make this food for more than myself.
I harvest mainly in cyrodiil and dune. I get a lot from my guild mates as well who do not have hirelings for provisioning.4 -
Gunavar✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Neither oats or tomatoes are supposed to be coming out of anything other than Hireling boxes. If they are, that's a bug. Those of you who are saying you've definitely gotten them recently out of something other than a Hireling box, what kind of container was it?
Considering the absolutely abysmal drop rate, I doubt anyone knows off-hand what they were getting them from. I've definitely been buying oats and tomatoes from people who don't have the hireling and have looted some myself, I just have no idea where.
And to be blunt, I doubt anyone who does know would even want to report it because having them hireling only is deeply stupid. Having a consumable item be only able to be acquired through a daily drop which is on a side-note broken because it isn't 24 based but log-in based is really the pinnacle of bad design.6 -
Kyotee0071✭✭✭Edit - Maybe a bug that will get fixed.Edited by Kyotee0071 on April 24, 2014 11:02PMI didn't think my hangover was that bad this morning until I spent 10 minutes trying to log into my old Etch-A-Sketch0 -
HandofBane✭✭✭✭I saw one Oat out of a container on EP side. No clue what that container was, as I had found it back during early access, which is a long ass time to try to remember where a single item I had no idea was rare came from. Really sad part, I am pretty sure I dumped it on a vendor because there was no indication it was a rare item then, and storage space was becoming an issue. Then I got the Consummate Frog Muffin recipe, which managed to sit completely unused the entire length of time I was the right level to make use of it. Level 47, almost 48 now, and not seen a single Oat since.
Also, completely baffled as to why you guys claim to have made Oats and Tomatos "purely through the hireling", when all the remaining rare/epic level ingredients are freely available through containers. I have a mountain of Garlic, Potatos, Barley and Pepper, plus all the epic-mandated drink ingredients. Is there even any reasoning behind making those two ingredients specifically restricted, or did someone want to cut everything off to limit them then stopped partway?1 -
Malediktus✭✭✭✭Its probably like that to make hirelings useful.
compare this stupid complaint with: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/71080/provisioner-hireling-useless
conclusion: provisioning hireling is not useless@Malediktus --- Ebonheart Pact, EU-Megaserver1 -
Grithok✭✭They are useless though. You see where someone said they had tons of pepper?
If you get pepper and salt, you can make veteran 5 purple food. I got 48 on me from guild mates sending me pepper. These are currently able to be found anywhere.
Or you can get hirelings, log in every 12 hours for your bags, and hope to god a tomatoe is in there so you can build something with the same stats but requires tomatoes.1 -
Malediktus✭✭✭✭Provisioning 50 is a cakewalk, so if they would always give something good they would be even more useless. Too much supply = no value@Malediktus --- Ebonheart Pact, EU-Megaserver0
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Gunavar✭✭✭They are useless though. You see where someone said they had tons of pepper?
If you get pepper and salt, you can make veteran 5 purple food. I got 48 on me from guild mates sending me pepper. These are currently able to be found anywhere.
Or you can get hirelings, log in every 12 hours for your bags, and hope to god a tomatoe is in there so you can build something with the same stats but requires tomatoes.
SHHHHHHH. Keep it up and they'll remove salt/pepper to hirelings too!0 -
Soliduparrow✭✭✭If you can't find tomatoes in the world then where are the hirelings getting them from? How do you expect roleplayers to take this game seriously when you have such contradictions? Is this a roleplaying game or a tie the customers up to random numbers game? If I wanted to wait for a lucky dice roll to give me some oats then I would take my dice to trader joes.4
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Dev✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi all,
We can confirm that oats and tomatoes are indeed in the game and working as intended. We double checked when we started seeing threads like this, just to be sure.
Here's a little info, to help you:- Currently, you will never find oats or tomatoes out in the world. This is working as intended.
- Both oats and tomatoes are only available from Provisioner Hireling boxes. They are rare by design.
- They're only available if you have the Provisioner Hireling passive skill to Rank 2 or greater.
hmm... ok this is not really a rage post... but W T F !?!?!?!?!
So I as a player character, ya know that soulless guy who is off being the beacon of light in a bad world, saving countless villages and towns from Daedra, vamps, wolves, twisted npc baddies like Mannamarco and thwarting the plans of Sheograth, Molag bal and etc can do all of that,... I can infiltrate the enemy strong holds and even be emperor of the entire world, but oh hells no to harvesting some oats?
ya know those same oats I feed to a horse for 18hours a day? but I can get it from some hired thug? Uh huh?
hmm... can I get a horse disguise and a friend to pay the stables person? hell I would even sit there and type neigh! every few minutes. (while watching tv to avoid commercials)
We were supposed to get the thieves guild, can I just start practicing by knocking over the stable guy? there is actually an AD quest part where I break into a police evidence locker to steal schooma, but grabbing Oats is too risky...
heh, I figured with all the crying about bots and gold sellers, a little humor wouldn't hurt.
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✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Neither oats or tomatoes are supposed to be coming out of anything other than Hireling boxes. If they are, that's a bug. Those of you who are saying you've definitely gotten them recently out of something other than a Hireling box, what kind of container was it?
I recall getting a tomato from an urn, and another one from a basket. Where I was and which character it was, I don't remember now. It could not have been anything to do with my provisioner level because that is one skill I've never touched. Now that I know they aren't supposed to, if I find more I'll make notes.
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This is the most idiotic game-design decision yet. It fauvors people creating Hireling alts, and even more it fauvors people who can afford 2 accounts. But of course, ZMO is fine with encouraging people to multibox, its all bout more money right? No way ill report which boxes had these, find out yourself.2 -
Cepeza✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi all,
We can confirm that oats and tomatoes are indeed in the game and working as intended. We double checked when we started seeing threads like this, just to be sure.
Here's a little info, to help you:- Currently, you will never find oats or tomatoes out in the world. This is working as intended.
- Both oats and tomatoes are only available from Provisioner Hireling boxes. They are rare by design.
- They're only available if you have the Provisioner Hireling passive skill to Rank 2 or greater.
Hi Jessica, many thanks for that very usefull information! It's very appreciated.
[EDIT] Why are just those two available via hireling only, though? All the other special stuff to craft purple recipes like paprica, garlic and potatoes you can find in barrels, etc.Edited by Cepeza on April 25, 2014 9:00AM0 -
Tomster✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Neither oats or tomatoes are supposed to be coming out of anything other than Hireling boxes. If they are, that's a bug. Those of you who are saying you've definitely gotten them recently out of something other than a Hireling box, what kind of container was it?
Hirelings are supposed to go out into the world and collect rare ingredients for you, not magically conjure up ingredients not available anywhere else in the world, right?
Having to spend points in:- provisioning to the right level
- able to use blue -> purple recepies
- and and have points in hireling for otherwise nonexisting items
It's too excessive, additionally there are other rare ingredients that are not that common. This actually annoys me quite a bit since I've been trying to find oats for two weeks and tomatoes for a week, but I've found none. Not even in any of the four (3 of them are full 500 members) trade guild's I'm member of and I've checked almost every day and sometimes several times a day..
It's gotten so bad that I've actually wanted to spend 250G at the horse merchant to get 1 of them in my inventory but they are all racist's and only serve horses
. Edited by Tomster on April 25, 2014 10:43AM1 -
Tyr✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Neither oats or tomatoes are supposed to be coming out of anything other than Hireling boxes. If they are, that's a bug. Those of you who are saying you've definitely gotten them recently out of something other than a Hireling box, what kind of container was it?
Considering the absolutely abysmal drop rate, I doubt anyone knows off-hand what they were getting them from. I've definitely been buying oats and tomatoes from people who don't have the hireling and have looted some myself, I just have no idea where.
And to be blunt, I doubt anyone who does know would even want to report it because having them hireling only is deeply stupid. Having a consumable item be only able to be acquired through a daily drop which is on a side-note broken because it isn't 24 based but log-in based is really the pinnacle of bad design.
Fell free not to comment in a thread if you're going to be actively encouraging people to obscure information that will help fix a bug.
Not reporting the source of a bug because you want to continue to use it has another name. It's called exploiting.3 -
They are useless though. ... Or you can get hirelings, log in every 12 hours for your bags, and hope to god a tomatoe is in there so you can build something with the same stats but requires tomatoes.
Maybe provisioning ones aren't as useful, but woodworking and clothing ones are rather nice. It's not uncommon (maybe once a day or every two days, as in one in four chests) for me to receive an epic and/or legendary upgrade reagent from them.
I just made my VR10 legendary bow when I'm only VR1 and in a zone that has just Birch to gather (and vr10 requires Nightwood, several grades higher).
That I can get materials several zones ahead of my current tier is pretty awesome. Maybe they need to give you guys bigger stacks of Oats and Tomatoes when they do send them. (I mean, really, when a chef goes grocery shopping, he doesn't just buy one tomato. He buys a whole damn case, right?)
Edited by cucmw5ub17_ESO on April 25, 2014 5:22PM0 -
manaek05rwb17_ESO wrote: »This is the most idiotic game-design decision yet. It fauvors people creating Hireling alts, and even more it fauvors people who can afford 2 accounts. But of course, ZMO is fine with encouraging people to multibox, its all bout more money right? No way ill report which boxes had these, find out yourself.
The hirelings' chests reveal mats appropriate for the profession level of the player opening them. Now that we can't send ourselves mail, multiboxing purely for hirelings got nerfed pretty quick. I don't know anyone (at least not anymore) who gleefully prides themselves on their hireling army -- they find good farming spots and refine the crap out of them for yummy blues/purps/yellows.
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✭✭cucmw5ub17_ESO wrote: »manaek05rwb17_ESO wrote: »This is the most idiotic game-design decision yet. It fauvors people creating Hireling alts, and even more it fauvors people who can afford 2 accounts. But of course, ZMO is fine with encouraging people to multibox, its all bout more money right? No way ill report which boxes had these, find out yourself.
The hirelings' chests reveal mats appropriate for the profession level of the player opening them. Now that we can't send ourselves mail, multiboxing purely for hirelings got nerfed pretty quick. I don't know anyone (at least not anymore) who gleefully prides themselves on their hireling army -- they find good farming spots and refine the crap out of them for yummy blues/purps/yellows.
Wasnt nerfed. Alts for hirelings were for upgrade materials not raws.0 -
Gunavar✭✭✭Fell free not to comment in a thread if you're going to be actively encouraging people to obscure information that will help fix a bug.
Not reporting the source of a bug because you want to continue to use it has another name. It's called exploiting.
By golly you are right. I'm totally exploiting the .01% chance drop that some crates has to drop a tomato. Because that's repeatable and easily exploitable.Edited by Gunavar on April 25, 2014 5:55PM0 -
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Cutekhaos✭✭✭Just a question about the looting bit, we are talking a bout tomatoes and not potatoes and just oats not red oats right, because the latter drop in the world.0 -
Tyr✭✭✭✭Fell free not to comment in a thread if you're going to be actively encouraging people to obscure information that will help fix a bug.
Not reporting the source of a bug because you want to continue to use it has another name. It's called exploiting.
By golly you are right. I'm totally exploiting the .01% chance drop that some crates has to drop a tomato. Because that's repeatable and easily exploitable.
The drop rate means nothing. It's an exploit because you're gaining an advantage from it AND not reporting it when it happens. Obviously you're not doing it purposefully because it's a random drop, but not reporting the details because you want to continue to gain an advantage from it, regardless of how small the advantage, is tantamount to exploiting.
In fact, if you weren't exploiting, then you wouldn't care if they fixed the bug.
The fact that you care proves you're intent is to exploit.0
