It would be interesting if they could scale the companion's DPS off of the player's DPS. However, it would be easy to game that system by having a more skilled player take over your account for a day and log a high DPS. Although that would be against ToS.

Nestor wrote: »

I would rather them not do DPS of any significance. The best in quest companions the game has partnered me with Heal or Draw Aggro. The ones that do DPS tend to get in my way and do not really contribute to the fight.

then use one to your liking and dont use the dps ones???

some of us are tanks/healers. and a dps buddy is what WE need.

if they do sub 10k. I dont think I will get the chapter even at 50% off a few months later. tanks/healers get shafted enough as is.

some of the numbers people are guessing are telling me just how out of touch they are with what numbers your average players are pulling (not just going by my own numbers, btw, going by the total damage numbers I see when I occasionally pug)

and from personal experience, you can solo quite a few base game normal dungeons with under 10k dps. how do I know? cause I pull under 10k dps and I can solo quite a few normal base game dungeons.

yes. i am that baddie. its part of the reason that when i queue up, I do so as a healer. I still dps a bit, but as a healer people don't expect as high of a number from you, as long as you are keeping people alive, doing some buffing/debuffing and at least throw some damage out.

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

The problem with low-DPS companions is that they wouldn’t really address the pain point of solo tanks and healers going through content very slowly. Sure having a tank or healer companion would be nice for a solo DPS, but solo DPS already has a fairly easy time in most content.

Come on, even as a dedicated tank or healer you can pull DPS in the range of <2-3k. You really don’t need more for any content. If you’re companion deals an additional 2-3k that’s more than enough for almost everything.

If you want to deal big damage when you’re solo just put more DPS skills into your bar.

Seraphayel wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

The problem with low-DPS companions is that they wouldn’t really address the pain point of solo tanks and healers going through content very slowly. Sure having a tank or healer companion would be nice for a solo DPS, but solo DPS already has a fairly easy time in most content.

Come on, even as a dedicated tank or healer you can pull DPS in the range of <2-3k. You really don’t need more for any content. If you’re companion deals an additional 2-3k that’s more than enough for almost everything.

If you want to deal big damage when you’re solo just put more DPS skills into your bar.

I think you forgot a 0 or so. No one doing <2-3k dps in any role should be the benchmark. You can do more by simply spamming left mouse button. And no, totalled 6k is not enough to do any content outside of overland.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

The problem with low-DPS companions is that they wouldn’t really address the pain point of solo tanks and healers going through content very slowly. Sure having a tank or healer companion would be nice for a solo DPS, but solo DPS already has a fairly easy time in most content.

Come on, even as a dedicated tank or healer you can pull DPS in the range of <2-3k. You really don’t need more for any content. If you’re companion deals an additional 2-3k that’s more than enough for almost everything.

If you want to deal big damage when you’re solo just put more DPS skills into your bar.

I think you forgot a 0 or so. No one doing <2-3k dps in any role should be the benchmark. You can do more by simply spamming left mouse button. And no, totalled 6k is not enough to do any content outside of overland.

If you’re a tank or a healer you’re having DPS by your side. You’re companion is not there to replace them. For any kind of overland content those low DPS numbers are enough. For (vet) dungeons you will have real damage dealers by your side - that was my point.

Companions seems to be focused on adventuring, aka, questing. Someone to tag along with you as you adventure through the various zones. With that said, overland content is way too easy. Mobs are a joke, most world bosses are a joke, delve bosses are a joke, quest bosses are a joke, etc. I can't see companions having anything more then ~10k dps, and that is being generous. I would expect them to be more around half of that initially. They will likely be used as tank/heal bots, and just another thing to grind (leveling them) to inflate playtime. After leveling them, and gearing them out, I still think they will likely max out around 15k dps, and will still be more suited to fill a role as a tank/healer for normal difficulty content - nothing more.

I might have missed some details, but did they mention you can use 2x full proc sets on a companion with a monster helm/arena weapon? If so I'd say around 30kdps.

If not, assuming the damage based on their skills? Perhaps 15k

Flip the whole thing around from a perspective of an experienced dps player. They're going to have a tank companion. The role is binary, the tank just needs to taunt and survive, it either happens or it doesn't. If they can have buff/debuff skills that's just icing on the cake.

Seraphayel wrote: »

They haven’t shown us anything about how equipment for Companions works.

They seem to be avoiding any detailed discussion of the companions. There is probably some marketing thing (article, paper, leaflet, stream, etc) coming up between now and PTS that they don't want to spoil.

Wouldn't it be interesting if they could get them to do "25% of your DPS"? It could help anyone, but still encourage them to improve.
But I'm pretty sure that level of sophistication is beyond the current game.

Linaleah wrote: »

and from personal experience, you can solo quite a few base game normal dungeons with under 10k dps. how do I know? cause I pull under 10k dps and I can solo quite a few normal base game dungeons.

yes. i am that baddie.

Eh, you're better than me. I can't solo dungeons. (Likely due to survivability more than other things, but still. Even on my self-healing Magplar, I don't kill regular mobs or delve bosses quickly. She just stays up better than my stealth/bow Stamblade.)

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Wouldn't it be interesting if they could get them to do "25% of your DPS"? It could help anyone, but still encourage them to improve.
But I'm pretty sure that level of sophistication is beyond the current game.

Linaleah wrote: »

and from personal experience, you can solo quite a few base game normal dungeons with under 10k dps. how do I know? cause I pull under 10k dps and I can solo quite a few normal base game dungeons.

yes. i am that baddie.

Eh, you're better than me. I can't solo dungeons. (Likely due to survivability more than other things, but still. Even on my self-healing Magplar, I don't kill regular mobs or delve bosses quickly. She just stays up better than my stealth/bow Stamblade.)

its definitely survivability. not standing in stuff matters more then how much damage you make in those early dungeons. my strategy on pretty much every character is.. put down AoE, kite mobs through it, heal as needed, throw in single target attacks when possible and make sure to do key mechanics (like interrupting/killing those healing tendrils on chokethorn). its not the fastest and it doesn't work for some of the later dungeons, but it works for most 1s.

that said, I would absolutely hate it if their damage was scaling of player damage. because that way people who don't need them in a first place - get the most damage out of them, while people who could use the help of a companion, do not get enough help to bother leveling them.

Future eso joke template:
A Tank, a Healer and two dd companions enter a vet dlc dungeon ...

Like most, I'd guess in the 10kish mark.

Everyone quoting dps needs to provide context because thread is all mixed up.

The 50k being about half a good player 100k is wrong on two counts - first these numbers are fully buffed iron atro parses yet many ppl on thread talk about overland or dungeon with these examples.

Second, a good player does nowhere close to 100k iron atro parse. A top end, one of the best in game player, equal to or within 1-2% of benchmark streamers like Liko, Skinnycheeks, etc. Common sense says if around 95-105k (depending on class) is the absolute cream of the crop, then a merely ‘good’ player be about 80% of this or 80-85k ballpark.

Last, a top end player does just a bit more than 50k, call it 50-54k range on self buff only 3mil dummy. 80% of this max end range would be about 40k for a ‘good’ player.

Therefore, a companion that blasts 50k on solo targets in dungeons or overland is a non starter discussion because not even ‘good’ players will hit that except on super low hp instant kill burst targets.

If we use 40k solo self buffed, single target dps (not group aoe which also inflates and confuses discussion) as the upper end of ‘good’ players, then the median for the ‘average” player could reasonably be qualified as about 20k (this is pure guess, actual median may be higher or lower, I’m just taking rough avg not actual population of player avg)

Therefore, if a companion did more than 20k single target, self buffed dps, then we can reasonably say it is more than the avg player. I don’t see zos doing that even if I personally would prefer that. In my .02 cents this feature is dead on arrival, DOA before launch because too many players will be jealous and not want companions anywhere near their avg dps.

Instead of improving over time to be better than their companion, the calls for nerf before or shortly after launch dooms the concept to be utter trash. Companions will pull aggro like quest NPCs do - pure annoyance because mobs will move out of your aoe dot to rush companion but then jerk immediately back to player (e.g. they pull mobs for split second but don’t hold them). Maybe tank companion will be better but far as dps companions go, they are DOA.