How can i hide my stuff for the Group-Loot Add-On

iksde · March 2021

robertthebard wrote: »

Who knows, but if ZoS had intended the loot to be known by all, it would have been made that way from the start.

idk you if have played since start of the game or not but ZOS....this game lacked so much since start....there was far from good playability like in other games as with how manyy things this game was lacking....we even had no option to see how much hp have any mob and for how much we are hitting it before someone have maked addon for this and much later ZOS implementd this into game

game still lacks tons of things for which most of players who plays someting more than just casually or some more seriously for content who are using many addons to make this game actually playable - and no Im not talking just about addons like these showing info when to dodge or block mechanic to not die from 1shot where many of these are not much visible at all...
even just simple addon showing you duration of your skills, of you buffs because in game option showing you your buffs....is so uncomfortable...like for single skill you can have 3-4 different icons with same time because of many buffs from this skill

iksde · March 2021

jm42 wrote: »

I think addons like this must be banned. If I didn't link loot in chat myself - it means that I do need it myself, why ppl are so annoying and really think that if they whisper me then I will go "Oh sure I don't need my false god fire staff feel free dude". That's stupid. And I cannot understand people trhat are replying here like "explain to them that you need it". Why should anyone even bother if people with addons basically broke into their pockets

and I think different way, I like addons like this, I have no problems with addons sharing things in games, if there would be option to inspect to see what someone is wearing I would have turned it on

while I myself now barely use this option to look what someone have got because now almost everything I have at all I like it when someone else have this addon to keep an eye on drops so I dont need to care if I got something someone would need it

Im sad when I got something nice or rare...like good set in divinses which I dont need anymore and nobody wants it and I got it also very rarely to find someone suddenly wanting it if I link it on group chat anyway, if someone was in group wanted it I already got messaged for this with questions if I need it or if I can give, Im happy then to see I can share this item with someone without being it wasted and additionally this addon being good time saver, utility to share with drops I dont need with others, especially with sets, items I wont even think someone might be gathering because it is so out of meta so I wont myself even think to link this set on group at the end with other good set items

AyaDark · March 2021

iksde wrote: »

jm42 wrote: »

I think addons like this must be banned. If I didn't link loot in chat myself - it means that I do need it myself, why ppl are so annoying and really think that if they whisper me then I will go "Oh sure I don't need my false god fire staff feel free dude". That's stupid. And I cannot understand people trhat are replying here like "explain to them that you need it". Why should anyone even bother if people with addons basically broke into their pockets

and I think different way, I like addons like this, I have no problems with addons sharing things in games, if there would be option to inspect to see what someone is wearing I would have turned it on

while I myself now barely use this option to look what someone have got because now almost everything I have at all I like it when someone else have this addon to keep an eye on drops so I dont need to care if I got something someone would need it

Im sad when I got something nice or rare...like good set in divinses which I dont need anymore and nobody wants it and I got it also very rarely to find someone suddenly wanting it if I link it on group chat anyway, if someone was in group wanted it I already got messaged for this with questions if I need it or if I can give, Im happy then to see I can share this item with someone without being it wasted and additionally this addon being good time saver, utility to share with drops I dont need with others, especially with sets, items I wont even think someone might be gathering because it is so out of meta so I wont myself even think to link this set on group at the end with other good set items

If some player want some set, why can not he ask it BEFORE run ?

Some players do not loot, me as example.

Even with addon he will not get thingth that i do not loot !

And if i need and loot some thing he will not get it or steal it from me.

So why not to communicate like normal peoples do in MMO ? And use some cheating addon ?

And if some player need some thing - do not want to give it - kick that player ?

Some groups can do it with such information !

renne · March 2021

A lot of people in this thread sure seem to think that because they love this addon, absolutely everyone should love this addon, hey.

AyaDark · March 2021

renne wrote: »

A lot of people in this thread sure seem to think that because they love this addon, absolutely everyone should love this addon, hey.

Yes. They think just the same way.

Will they like it if exp players will just start kick them for such questions in dunguans ?

Ask me for set i did not link = kick ?

I think no.

But other way works pretty often.

So such information must not been shared with out permission.

Gythral · March 2021

Turn all the chat off
(maybe)

FantasticFreddie · March 2021

Asking before a run is all fine and we'll, but there is a 0% chance I am going to remember that by the time we get to final boss.
And no, I am not going to stand around linking each and every piece of gear I got.
I 100% do not care if people ask me for something they need. If I don't need it I give it away, if I do need it, I said "Sorry, I need it"
What I absolutely DON'T do is hop on a high horse and withhold gear purely because they asked for it, and I don't play with people who do that either.
I think that behavior is far more telling of their character than asking for loot is.

iksde · March 2021

AyaDark wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

jm42 wrote: »

I think addons like this must be banned. If I didn't link loot in chat myself - it means that I do need it myself, why ppl are so annoying and really think that if they whisper me then I will go "Oh sure I don't need my false god fire staff feel free dude". That's stupid. And I cannot understand people trhat are replying here like "explain to them that you need it". Why should anyone even bother if people with addons basically broke into their pockets

and I think different way, I like addons like this, I have no problems with addons sharing things in games, if there would be option to inspect to see what someone is wearing I would have turned it on

while I myself now barely use this option to look what someone have got because now almost everything I have at all I like it when someone else have this addon to keep an eye on drops so I dont need to care if I got something someone would need it

Im sad when I got something nice or rare...like good set in divinses which I dont need anymore and nobody wants it and I got it also very rarely to find someone suddenly wanting it if I link it on group chat anyway, if someone was in group wanted it I already got messaged for this with questions if I need it or if I can give, Im happy then to see I can share this item with someone without being it wasted and additionally this addon being good time saver, utility to share with drops I dont need with others, especially with sets, items I wont even think someone might be gathering because it is so out of meta so I wont myself even think to link this set on group at the end with other good set items

If some player want some set, why can not he ask it BEFORE run ?

Some players do not loot, me as example.

Even with addon he will not get thingth that i do not loot !

And if i need and loot some thing he will not get it or steal it from me.

So why not to communicate like normal peoples do in MMO ? And use some cheating addon ?

And if some player need some thing - do not want to give it - kick that player ?

Some groups can do it with such information !

they can but also why if run is long or wipe run? we will forget about it till the end or sometimes we can just forgot by just going a bit to much into dung as how good and fast is it going on

I myself had it not only 1 time when someone asked for something from start of the dung and at the end I was not remebmering for what they were asking at all, even after easy, fast vaults of madness with good dps

or I myself was asking at start when I was farming something and I saw someone got what I needed and you they was answering nothin, I was waiting till the end of dung, still nothing, so I asked them again and for that 1 specific item and they was willing to give me if they didnt need it and so I saw that they was not caring to much if even for what was written on chat or they just didnt noticed it at start like not everyone will say "Hi" or something on start

so if I didnt had this addon then that items would be wasted by this player why anyway was willing to give away it when asked

and outised trials with many people I was asking always for items on group chat and so everyone else was seeing it, even when I was asking this 1 person for that single item I have seen from addon they loot - on trials I will mostly ask on whisper because if everyone started asking on group for single items everyone around it would be spam and nobody would get anything anyway

and I had not a single problem with groups with someone who would have problem with this addon or someone who actually didnt want to share his item because he needed it or because I needed it so I didnt wanted to give it away, not a single toxicity generated by this addon

it all depends on randoms which you will get, which will be toxic or not and this addon change nothing, without this addo toxic players will be still toxic but so in other way or less targeting for this single player in group

AyaDark · March 2021

iksde wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

jm42 wrote: »

I think addons like this must be banned. If I didn't link loot in chat myself - it means that I do need it myself, why ppl are so annoying and really think that if they whisper me then I will go "Oh sure I don't need my false god fire staff feel free dude". That's stupid. And I cannot understand people trhat are replying here like "explain to them that you need it". Why should anyone even bother if people with addons basically broke into their pockets

and I think different way, I like addons like this, I have no problems with addons sharing things in games, if there would be option to inspect to see what someone is wearing I would have turned it on

while I myself now barely use this option to look what someone have got because now almost everything I have at all I like it when someone else have this addon to keep an eye on drops so I dont need to care if I got something someone would need it

Im sad when I got something nice or rare...like good set in divinses which I dont need anymore and nobody wants it and I got it also very rarely to find someone suddenly wanting it if I link it on group chat anyway, if someone was in group wanted it I already got messaged for this with questions if I need it or if I can give, Im happy then to see I can share this item with someone without being it wasted and additionally this addon being good time saver, utility to share with drops I dont need with others, especially with sets, items I wont even think someone might be gathering because it is so out of meta so I wont myself even think to link this set on group at the end with other good set items

If some player want some set, why can not he ask it BEFORE run ?

Some players do not loot, me as example.

Even with addon he will not get thingth that i do not loot !

And if i need and loot some thing he will not get it or steal it from me.

So why not to communicate like normal peoples do in MMO ? And use some cheating addon ?

And if some player need some thing - do not want to give it - kick that player ?

Some groups can do it with such information !

they can but also why if run is long or wipe run? we will forget about it till the end or sometimes we can just forgot by just going a bit to much into dung as how good and fast is it going on

I myself had it not only 1 time when someone asked for something from start of the dung and at the end I was not remebmering for what they were asking at all, even after easy, fast vaults of madness with good dps

or I myself was asking at start when I was farming something and I saw someone got what I needed and you they was answering nothin, I was waiting till the end of dung, still nothing, so I asked them again and for that 1 specific item and they was willing to give me if they didnt need it and so I saw that they was not caring to much if even for what was written on chat or they just didnt noticed it at start like not everyone will say "Hi" or something on start
so if I didnt had this addon then that items would be wasted by this player why anyway was willing to give away it when asked

and outised trials with many people I was asking always for items on group chat and so everyone else was seeing it, even when I was asking this 1 person for that single item I have seen from addon they loot - on trials I will mostly ask on whisper because if everyone started asking on group for single items everyone around it would be spam and nobody would get anything anyway

and I had not a single problem with groups with someone who would have problem with this addon or someone who actually didnt want to share his item because he needed it or because I needed it so I didnt wanted to give it away, not a single toxicity generated by this addon

it all depends on randoms which you will get, which will be toxic or not and this addon change nothing, without this addo toxic players will be still toxic but so in other way or less targeting for this single player in group

Even if some players want give you some thing - a lot of them do not loot !!!

So it is always better ask about it.
Before run.

colossalvoids · March 2021

Ok, but how people should possibly know who to whisper or not? I'm not checking my loot after every pull and just waiting for a /w if someone needs anything as those add-ons are widespread already so I'm expecting my randoms to check if their preferred gear dropped in said content, ease for both parties.

iksde · March 2021

AyaDark wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

jm42 wrote: »

I think addons like this must be banned. If I didn't link loot in chat myself - it means that I do need it myself, why ppl are so annoying and really think that if they whisper me then I will go "Oh sure I don't need my false god fire staff feel free dude". That's stupid. And I cannot understand people trhat are replying here like "explain to them that you need it". Why should anyone even bother if people with addons basically broke into their pockets

and I think different way, I like addons like this, I have no problems with addons sharing things in games, if there would be option to inspect to see what someone is wearing I would have turned it on

while I myself now barely use this option to look what someone have got because now almost everything I have at all I like it when someone else have this addon to keep an eye on drops so I dont need to care if I got something someone would need it

Im sad when I got something nice or rare...like good set in divinses which I dont need anymore and nobody wants it and I got it also very rarely to find someone suddenly wanting it if I link it on group chat anyway, if someone was in group wanted it I already got messaged for this with questions if I need it or if I can give, Im happy then to see I can share this item with someone without being it wasted and additionally this addon being good time saver, utility to share with drops I dont need with others, especially with sets, items I wont even think someone might be gathering because it is so out of meta so I wont myself even think to link this set on group at the end with other good set items

If some player want some set, why can not he ask it BEFORE run ?

Some players do not loot, me as example.

Even with addon he will not get thingth that i do not loot !

And if i need and loot some thing he will not get it or steal it from me.

So why not to communicate like normal peoples do in MMO ? And use some cheating addon ?

And if some player need some thing - do not want to give it - kick that player ?

Some groups can do it with such information !

they can but also why if run is long or wipe run? we will forget about it till the end or sometimes we can just forgot by just going a bit to much into dung as how good and fast is it going on

I myself had it not only 1 time when someone asked for something from start of the dung and at the end I was not remebmering for what they were asking at all, even after easy, fast vaults of madness with good dps

or I myself was asking at start when I was farming something and I saw someone got what I needed and you they was answering nothin, I was waiting till the end of dung, still nothing, so I asked them again and for that 1 specific item and they was willing to give me if they didnt need it and so I saw that they was not caring to much if even for what was written on chat or they just didnt noticed it at start like not everyone will say "Hi" or something on start
so if I didnt had this addon then that items would be wasted by this player why anyway was willing to give away it when asked

and outised trials with many people I was asking always for items on group chat and so everyone else was seeing it, even when I was asking this 1 person for that single item I have seen from addon they loot - on trials I will mostly ask on whisper because if everyone started asking on group for single items everyone around it would be spam and nobody would get anything anyway

and I had not a single problem with groups with someone who would have problem with this addon or someone who actually didnt want to share his item because he needed it or because I needed it so I didnt wanted to give it away, not a single toxicity generated by this addon

it all depends on randoms which you will get, which will be toxic or not and this addon change nothing, without this addo toxic players will be still toxic but so in other way or less targeting for this single player in group

Even if some players want give you some thing - a lot of them do not loot !!!

So it is always better ask about it.
Before run.

and so I dont blame them for this
and still even as I ask before I still keep eye on loots in groups as people who are looting still might not to care for what was written on chat

and still as I wrote I dont have to ask for items that much as most I have now what I needed

and I just appreciate if someone have this addon and will say to me for an item he is looking at if he need that as I wont need to care about loot I have got and I dont need, it will be just more usefull for him to track for items he is looking not bothering me if he see all my drops, it is for him if he wants something and is not toxic

AyaDark · March 2021

robertthebard wrote: »

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

Do people really feel attacked when asked a question about loot?

Yes. When something drops for you that only you should be able to see and you immediately get multiple whispers begging for it, yes it can feel like being ganged up on.

1. I think your definition of “beg” must be different than mine. I seriously doubt many people literally “beg”. Asking a question once, or even twice, isn’t begging.

2. You’re doing GROUP content where the loot is marked as group loot (tradable among group members) for a period of time. If ZOS didn’t want players to work together and share if they’re willing, the gear would be immediately bound to whoever picked it up. But it’s not. You’re doing group content with other real people, where the loot is made tradable for good reason. [snip]

I've got a better idea. I'll tell them no, and if they persist, I'll report them for harassment.

4. If you seriously feel “ganged up on”, there are ways to remedy that. You can change your status to offline and/or put the bully on your ignore list.

This is an MMO. You’re playing with other people. [snip]

It is an MMO, and I am playing with other people, and isn't it ironic that this wasn't an issue until someone decided that they needed to be able to see what loot their party members were getting. Is it envy? Is it being mad that someone was getting something they weren't? Who knows, but if ZoS had intended the loot to be known by all, it would have been made that way from the start. I played MMOs in 2005 that listed every item that dropped in a party. You could even roll with Master Looter, and get all the loot yourself to distribute how you saw fit. Of course, those groups weren't very popular, and there was the ideal Round Robin setting. But just because the loot is tradeable in the group doesn't mean everyone in the group needs to know someone dropped something they want.

Also, while out in public, I've never had anyone lean in and say "I like your shoes, give them to me". So I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that? Also, more accurately for this conversation, they've never asked me for the contents of my wallet.

They just kick you and you will not farm your sets.

And i know a lot of such people.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2021

As far as I can tell, there is no add-on or option to counter this Group-Loot Add-On.

It happened to me some time in the past, when I was doing IC prison (IC event) and some one wanted Sheer Venom bow badly (most likely for pvp)... and there was no "gear collections" system back then, so you could not just re-craft gear that you found). Btw. That player was more toxic than this "Sheer Venom" set lol.

If there is a dungeon I can do solo - I do it alone. It solves a lot of problems one can potentially encounter using group finder. But, when there is a mechanic that makes soloing a dungeon impossible, and If gear is REALLY worth it - then I use group finder.

My method is simply to ignore people who abuse this add-on. So if I get a set piece I am interested in, and I want to keep, but some one in a group magically knows about what I got (they obviously use an add-on) and they start bragging / chat spamming about it - I ignore them in chat & do not respond.
Alternatively, you can equip & unequip gear set you find, so it is bound to you, so you can not trade it with your group.

If some one is using group loot add-on, but they are at least smart about it (they pretend to not know and instead ask: "did anyone got X inferno staff ?") - then, if I already have it in my collections, then I might trade for something I don't have.

Septimus_Magna · March 2021

Looking at the answers here I can understand why many players dont want to group up. I never had a problem with someone asking for something I looted, if I needed it myself I never received a salty or annoying reply. Personally Im just happy to give someone an item that they were looking for that I would otherwise sell or decon.

If you get annoyed but dont need the item you can always charge the player, you make some gold and the player is happy to get the item they're looking for.

perfiction · March 2021

robertthebard wrote: »

Except that, w/out the addon, it doesn't share that loot information, right? So what we're actually dealing with is more akin to spyware.

Let's say you turned off radio in your car because you didn't like the currently played song. Does it mean that you disabled the transmitter and noone else can listen to that radio anymore?

It does, but it's not visible in the UI/chat. Group loot addons are just reading broadcasts sent from an (official) API made by ZOS and post those information to the chat. Blame ZOS for sending this data, not addon creators for reading it.

edit: I don't understand why seeing your group members loot makes you so mad. Why can't you just write 'no'? And I say that as a person who was running nSS/vSS dozen of times - whenever I looted anything False God I got bombarded with whispers. I just said "sorry, I need it" or "sure, I will give it to you after the run" and that's it. I'm using the addon myself as well and I don't see any issue with that.

AyaDark · March 2021

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Looking at the answers here I can understand why many players dont want to group up. I never had a problem with someone asking for something I looted, if I needed it myself I never received a salty or annoying reply. Personally Im just happy to give someone an item that they were looking for that I would otherwise sell or decon.

If you get annoyed but dont need the item you can always charge the player, you make some gold and the player is happy to get the item they're looking for.

Do you ever been kicked because you get item that you go farm, drop it and some one ask you to give it by addon ?

After 10 k hours of play you will see it not once, just believe me.

And if such thing exist a lot of players get problems of that addon.

And a lot of other problems, so it is understandable why people do not like it.

And if use emotion is "harasment", t-bag is harasment, why this is not ???

When it is useing of cheating po + to all of that ?

iksde · March 2021

AyaDark wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Looking at the answers here I can understand why many players dont want to group up. I never had a problem with someone asking for something I looted, if I needed it myself I never received a salty or annoying reply. Personally Im just happy to give someone an item that they were looking for that I would otherwise sell or decon.

If you get annoyed but dont need the item you can always charge the player, you make some gold and the player is happy to get the item they're looking for.

Do you ever been kicked because you get item that you go farm, drop ot and some on ask you to give it by addon ?

After 10 k hours pkay you will see it not once, just believe me.

And if such thing exist alot of players get problems of that addon.

just checked, played 482 days on my main, jsut single character, almost 12 hours, I will say I will be around 15hours of playing in total with other alts and I never had situaton to be kicked because of it

as I said before, this addons changes nothing with people who are actualy toxic and you never know when you will be group and with how much toxic players as it seems you have got unlucky with this and as you got unlucky getting grouped with so toxic players because off this this doesnt mean everyone else will also get that unlucky and still it doesnt mean this addon is bad, it all is just on people - like grouping with friends and to troll an random - 4th player from group finder xD and no addon is needed to do it

TheForFeeF · March 2021

I don't have a problem with the addon at all - other popular MMOs have it built in. What I have a problem with is how some people, who use the addon, act.

I've had people spam message me as soon as I've looted the item they need, on the first boss. Not that I am trying to focus on the dungeon at all.

I've had people who call me out in group chat like "omg, theforfeef got the item I need, can't believe I got lucky on this run"... not like I need the item for my stickerbook...?

On top of that, there is a large lack of basic respect too. They will just message you "can I have [item]"... where is the please?

And then, when you tell these people that you also need the item, they start calling you a toxic player, cursing you under the sun, saying you're the worst, etc.

If you're respectful and I don't need the item, it is yours. Free of charge. If you lack respect, why should you have the item? You don't respect me so I don't respect you.

preevious · March 2021

Those add-ons are insanely usefull, and it's easier for everyone, the looter AND the asker ..

Let's assume for a second that everyone is a decent person, and WILL give any uneeded item to someone who really needs them.

So, first solution : I ask at the start of the run ..

Some people don't share my language.
They sure as hell won't remember, same as I don't always remember if someone asked something at the start, when we get at the end.
They might ignore the group chat, just focusing on doing the content. (PMS are rarely ignored)

Second solution : I ask at the end of the run..

Everyone is already ungrouped, having said "thxbye".

With those solution, I might get it, but most certainly might not.

Third solution : add-on (or integrated loot notifier in the game, wich would be best for our console players friends)

I can ask nicely, even after the run.
I can link the item. I mean "[link] <--> 50k" overcome any language barrier, everyone understand that.
My PM WILL be paid attention to.

After all this, decent people will always accept a "no, sorry, I need this".

It helps. In the end, I got a medusa ligthning staff by buying it to a russian players that did not understand the gibberish I wrote at the start of the run. He was very willing to sell it, and it would have cost me a gazillion more runs without this add-on.

Everyone should install this. It should be implemented by ZOS and integrated into the game.

perfiction · March 2021

AyaDark wrote: »

Do you ever been kicked because you get item that you go farm, drop it and some one ask you to give it by addon ?

Never happened to me, 1050CP here. Kicking someone from the group just because he looted something is pointless anyway - it won't magically transfer that item to you. I guess that person was just frustrated after farming specific dungeon for dozens of hours. He was mad at unlucky RNG, not at you specifically.
(I know how painful it can be, I was farming inferno medusa staff for 3 days before getting it, I'm taking a break from Arx Corinium for at least half a year )

Fischblut · March 2021

Just tell them you need to vendor it for the gold or deconstruct it for the matts.

...sell for a whole 50 gold, or decon for a whole 1 piece of Rubedite Leather. Nothing can be more petty than these reasons for keeping an item

And I say it as person who is hopeless hoarder; back when I had no craft bag, and my inventory was full, I was like this: I see the Armor Glyph in a mob I've killed, it's worth 9 gold. My inventory is full, but I have some Ta rune in my bag worth 1 or 2 gold... I destroy the rune and loot the Glyph, because it costs few more gold coins when I sell it to merchant.

I once had a friend who linked his loot in group chat after we finished the dungeon. After I asked him if I can have some items from what he linked, he said that "no, I need them for mats". If he was silent, nobody would care about his loot and what he wants to do with it. But why did he bother linking those decon items in group chat then? I removed that person from my friend list after that.

Also, if somebody is trading me some items I need, most of time I trade them equal items so they don't miss out on those gold or crafting mats

most people do not ever bother to post in chat the items they do not need. Why would anyone do, anyway?

When I join the group, I ask at the start if somebody needs some gear from this dungeon. If everyone says that they don't need anything, I don't link my loot. Otherwise, I almost always link gear as soon as I loot it, if I'm willing to give it away. Once somebody even asked me to stop it, cause they don't need any loot from this dungeon

With addition of Collections for gear, I instantly bind every gear item which it not collected yet - just so that I can link any doubles afterwards.

Also, with Collections, no reason is good enough to not give somebody gear if you have already collected it.
You need it for mats or selling to vendor? It's honestly not even a reason. 50 gold or 1 Rubedite Leather...

You need it for other character, or you want it in this particular trait? It's much easier to obtain Transmute Crystals than it is to get a needed drop of particular gear piece. Imagine somebody getting double BSW inferno staff, and not willing to give it to other group member (who was farming for it long time without any success) for any of above reasons

I like to think that karma gets such people, and one day they will be denied the item they need, for same reasons.

[snip]

[edited for baiting]

ThePedge · March 2021

Say you need it.

If they're toxic, block them.

Or extort them for money. I know I've done that, and on the other side paid for a much wanted item.

renne · March 2021

perfiction wrote: »

Let's say you turned off radio in your car because you didn't like the currently played song. Does it mean that you disabled the transmitter and noone else can listen to that radio anymore?

This example isn't the gotcha you seem think it is, because yes it does mean that no one can listen to that radio, because it's literally been turned off. and I don't know about you, but I haven't had much luck trying to make a psychic connection to a turned off radio so I can listen to it. You know. Even though it's turned off.

Also in your example, the addon is akin to someone - who might possibly be an absolute stranger - getting into your car to turn on the radio back on so they can listen. If you're into that then good for you, but just because you're into it, you shouldn't assume everyone else is into it too.

perfiction · March 2021

renne wrote: »

This example isn't the gotcha you seem think it is, because yes it does mean that no one can listen to that radio, because it's literally been turned off. and I don't know about you, but I haven't had much luck trying to make a psychic connection to a turned off radio so I can listen to it. You know. Even though it's turned off.

Also in your example, the addon is akin to someone - who might possibly be an absolute stranger - getting into your car to turn on the radio back on so they can listen. If you're into that then good for you, but just because you're into it, you shouldn't assume everyone else is into it too.

I used the radio example not as an gotcha. I did it to explain how broadcast works. ZOS literally broadcasts this data to everyone in the group with their API - they are the transmitter. Addon user is just someone who turns the ratio inside their own car to listen to that. If you don't use the addon, you just turn off the radio and decide to not listen to that.

My opinion is that group loot logs should be integrated into the game UI/chat (just like plenty of other things that started as an addon, and then ZOS integrated them into the game to make console players lifes better). The data is sent to everyone anyway. Addons are not doing any kind of magic to 'steal the data' from you. ZOS serves the data on the platter to everyone.

AyaDark · March 2021

preevious wrote: »

Those add-ons are insanely usefull, and it's easier for everyone, the looter AND the asker ..

Let's assume for a second that everyone is a decent person, and WILL give any uneeded item to someone who really needs them.

So, first solution : I ask at the start of the run ..
Some people don't share my language.

They sure as hell won't remember, same as I don't always remember if someone asked something at the start, when we get at the end.

They might ignore the group chat, just focusing on doing the content. (PMS are rarely ignored)

Second solution : I ask at the end of the run..
Everyone is already ungrouped, having said "thxbye".

With those solution, I might get it, but most certainly might not.

Third solution : add-on (or integrated loot notifier in the game, wich would be best for our console players friends)
I can ask nicely, even after the run.

I can link the item. I mean "[link] <--> 50k" overcome any language barrier, everyone understand that.

My PM WILL be paid attention to.

After all this, decent people will always accept a "no, sorry, I need this".

It helps. In the end, I got a medusa ligthning staff by buying it to a russian players that did not understand the gibberish I wrote at the start of the run. He was very willing to sell it, and it would have cost me a gazillion more runs without this add-on.

Everyone should install this. It should be implemented by ZOS and integrated into the game.

First of all, you do not see other people loot by in game function and it is addon, so you have to have option to hide such information.

I am OK if player ask before run about some sets, if i do not need it. I will give it to him and I am OK with that.

But if I need some thing I do not want get spam about it, do not want some people get kicked because of it.

If you watch TV you see that some people do bad thingth. And it is not clever to say: It newer happen to me, so it is ok. Because if it already happen to some people it can happen to you or your friends. So better think how avoid such situations.

As example me and my group have some counter action against some type of people we do not like, so we do not go with them and it is easy to decide on the start of run. Will we go or will not waste time.

We decide it by communication with other players.

And it is not only about gear, players can drop some expensive thing, that they do not know, but some people just ask it or cheat them to buy it a lot cheaper.

And I can understand why some people like this addon.

It can be good for starter or middle player. For some exp player this addon already do not work. He have all-he do not loot. You can not see loot if no loot.

But from middle group starter or middle player can be just kicked because he did not want to give some thing, raid leader friend wants, and they go farm for. So they just some times kick such players before next boss as example.

For some middle players this addon is good, because they can not communicate, and take all the loot, do not care that others need. So some times in trials i link all and do not care if some one ask something - i already have all i need.

But it do not exclude fact, that a lot of people i know get kicked just a way i talk before for some raids.

On as example last boss, or last arena.

So it is no reason to provoke other people with such information. It have to be privat.

It is personal loot to start with !

Vermintide · March 2021

The other day some guy paid me like 50k for some random axe I didn't need. I was just gonna give it to him, it's not like you can sell dungeon loot on the trader or anything.

Not everybody is terrible

WiseSky · March 2021

Seriously here we all are Writing Paragraphs of texts explaining our heart and soul to each on forums, is it really that hard to do the same in the game and say: Sorry you cant have it or Sure you can have it?

LashanW · March 2021

perfiction wrote: »

The data is sent to everyone anyway. Addons are not doing any kind of magic to 'steal the data' from you. ZOS serves the data on the platter to everyone.

This right here. Addons can't do anything that is not allowed by the official addons API (which is made by ZoS). It's hilarious to see people saying things like "spyware" "cheating", "looking at private info" when it comes to addons

. Nobody is sneaking in to your inventory, the game's addons API itself reports loot you receive to your group members.

Just look at the LUA script for this addon if you are curious, it's just reading loot drop event data published by the addons API.
Addons API documentation - EVENT_LOOT_RECEIVED

You want to know how to hide from this? You can't, unless ZoS changes the API. Or you can play on console.

Hallothiel · March 2021

So glad on console so don’t have to deal with this.

And you know what? We manage to share & trade stuff just fine without spying on others.
Just either ask in chat beforehand or again at end. If want to trade something, link in group chat, others players then check & see if need it & trade if required. Quite simple & polite.

Why on earth was there the need for this add-on? Does seem very greedy.

And its not ‘everyone’s’ loot; it’s mine until I wish to share it.

Sanguinor2 · March 2021

Hallothiel wrote: »

Why on earth was there the need for this add-on? Does seem very greedy.

And its not ‘everyone’s’ loot; it’s mine until I wish to share it.

Because many people dont say anything when spoken to in group chat. I run the addon but I usually ask in group chat at the beginning and the end instead of in whispers to not trigger any resident snowflakes. More often than not all 3 people dont say anything and leave when I know that they dropped things I asked for at the beginning and the end. All I want is a simple yes or no to a polite question and people are more prone to actually react to your question if you whisper them.