Both dungeons are almost overland difficulty on normal. And on vet they are among the easiest compared to the rest. I would put them in same category with WGT and ICP

Kurat wrote: »

Both dungeons are almost overland difficulty on normal. And on vet they are among the easiest compared to the rest. I would put them in same category with WGT and ICP

Disagree. Cauldron is just annoying. And too many effects as op said.

1st pug in Cauldron last night on PS4, all of us are 810 plus, i agree with OP, too much fire and its not necessary, its a bit harder than I think, healer left after 1st boss, no big problem until final boss and we got the healer finally, final boss play like VBRP 1st boss, was fun

With a good tank, i think 1T3D is better in non hm run, one more thing, I really dislike one shot mechanics, thats why I say dps is better than healer in pre made group.

Idk how anyone is saying The Cauldron is overtuned. It’s by far one of easiest DLC dungeons to-date. My group ran it on vet blind the first time and got the trifecta in our second go around.

I took my stamblade in with just Tzovgin’s, Briarheart, and Selene, and solo’d it on normal. No Pale Order required and I didn’t hit above 10k dps on the bosses in any fight. It’s a nice solo challenge and not even remotely overtuned for a standard group.

Basing any feedback off pug runs is a bad idea since these are group dungeons that are intended to require coordination. That means explaining to your teammates how mechanics work, and removing any teammates who cannot or refuse to follow mechanics. The fact that high dps completely neutralizes the majority of mechanics is kinda sad, but even low dps groups aren’t going to struggle with the mechanics that exist because they aren’t dps checks. It’s really basic awareness stuff and an ability to put two and two together.

The only non-option adds in the final fight are the tiny watchers. All the rest will never appear if you follow the mechanics and get rid of the pillars using Lyranth’s synergy.

In Normal there’s hardly any ground AoEs to avoid. The lightning is avoidable by everyone including the tank, but its damage is only moderate, and ignorable with a healer.

Fun fact, BDV is also soloable on normal, as all the mechanics that would require a partner (well, just mino chains tbh) don’t ever occur in normal.

I find it entirely opposite, Eveli is boring,bland,extremely overrated with Mediocre outfit,etc Villa feels shorter and its way more common ,Roman architecture and 3 bosses compared to Caluldron that was way Epic. I could go for more and tell why is and why is not, but I wont today.

Negative for you since you do not like fire, Well that means I have bad news for you ,Dagon is
fond of fire in his realm of Oblivion upcoming fire,ash,lava, burning everything.

"Nice" "Fun" all relative and nowhere near enough to provide some sort of insight. Ultimately it all remains for personal perspective. For me Villa was average,Cauldron a total blast.

Eveli is possibly is the worst character for me to the point I have not even started Orsinium DLC Story arc. I cannot stand her and I must admit, She and pretty much any Breton is where is the point when I usually ignore any dialogue in ESO, with very few exceptions. I dislike them so much.

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Cauldron is only easy if you have a high dps coordinated group.

When I ran it with guild mates when it first came out, and guess what? I thought it was insanely easy too, cleared hm blind second try. Until I ran it in a PUG as a tank.

First 3 bosses were a pain, 4th and 5th boss were a nightmare, I can survive by myself with the whole PUG team dead in FL, FH, DOM, etc. But I struggle to say the same with this one.

People saying this is WGT tier has to be playing a dps or only play with pre made 120k+ dps groups.

The difference between high tier premade group and low-mid level PUG are too large .

As we can make a group via dungeon finder , these dungeons should be puggable technically or ZOS you have to restrict low CP players join these hard DLC dungeons .

PUG , failure , someone leave , que , failure , someone leave , que , failure , someone leave , disband .
That's what happen I see mostly in Lair of Maarselok ...

I know that CP is not everything , but I will feel a bit comfortable with some high CP players in PUG .

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Cauldron is only easy if you have a high dps coordinated group.

When I ran it with guild mates when it first came out, and guess what? I thought it was insanely easy too, cleared hm blind second try. Until I ran it in a PUG as a tank.

First 3 bosses were a pain, 4th and 5th boss were a nightmare, I can survive by myself with the whole PUG team dead in FL, FH, DOM, etc. But I struggle to say the same with this one, Ogrim's aoe and daedroth's fire dot will absolutely wreck you.

People saying this is WGT tier has to be playing a dps or only play with pre made 120k+ dps groups.

There are only two meaningful combat mechanics in The Cauldron, one is the Ogrim boss when you have to kill the green blobs. The other is the final boss when you use Lyranth’s syngery to destroy the pillars thus eliminating 90% of the adds from ever spawning. The Cauldron is not a dps race, it entirely doable with low dps, I literally solo’d it with a whopping 9k dps in most boss fights. Granted that was normal, but vet isn’t much different even with a mediocre group, the only new mech is the ogrim cage. 50k group dps will be a bit of a slug for some of the fights, but it’s not going to make or break your run.

PUGs generally fail because they’re unwilling to obey the mechanics or follow extremely basic combat cues like not standing in stupid, interrupting bosses, and focusing the right targets first.

People who say that the Cauldron is hard must've gotten really unlucky with bad pugs. I've done it 10+ times now as dps and as tank. Group dps ranged from 30k to 120k.
10+ runs on vet and I still dont know mechs because I haven't seen any. Not just with high dps but with 30k also. Some base game vets have more noticeable mechanics lol.
1st boss is the one that farts. I assume the green snot needs to be killed before they reach the boss. But it really didn't matter. The boss seemed to enrage but as long as tank has aggro it didn't change anything for dps or healer. So as dps I just kept parsing and as tank I just taunted and blocked. Cant get any easier. He also doesn't hit hard.

2nd boss has lots of aoe and adds but basically the same as 1st boss. Only "mechanics " I saw was aoes. All dps has to do is step out of aoe and parse. As tank I just taunted and chained adds in. Adds have so little hp that they died almost instantly in aoe. The boss again hits like wet noodle. As tank you hardly take any dmg even without blocking. Only thing that can kill you if you stand in aoe. I had 1 run where I was tanking and everyone else died coz they didn't move around. But it was easy to recover. Since there was no mechanics I was able to rez them all. In most dlc dungeons at least its harder for 1 person to rez if everyone else is dead. And when I was dps, most tanks didn't even taunt or chain adds. They just stood there shooting arrows which seemed to only hit 1-2k. So that can also be ignored completely.

3rd boss is the iron atro kind ( literally lol, doesn't move). Basically just target dummy parse. It stands still and teleports to other sides of platform occasionally. Didn't see any mechs even when group dps was 30k. Every time he changes position, 2 small adds spawn but they just stand there and shoot fire sometimes. I assume we are supposed to kill them but why bother if their dmg is not noticeable. Dps just parsed and tank taunted. Occasionally red lines appeared on boss, indicating that interrupting was needed but some pug tanks missed it and nothing happened lol. There was some lava and fire flying around but as tank I was just able to stand in it without taking much dmg.

4th boss is basically just add waves (only 3-4 adds at time). Very difficult to die, especially as tank. This was the only boss where I saw 1 mechanic. You have to take the green oil and drag it from the small dome thingies to the middle large one. If you dont then you simply dont have anyone to fight lol. When the final thingie is destroyed then boss flies down. But wtf is with his hp? Not sure if it's a bug or intended but I'm sure I briefly saw 5 mil hp when he was in air. But when landed, he only has 2-300k and dies in 5 sec lol.

Last boss has alot of aoes and I got hit constantly as dps but didn't kill me. Tank ofc has to block his heavy attacks but that's about it. There will be fire wall moving from 1 side and then later from other side and everyone needs to move away from it. That's the only "hard" part there. You cant just stand still and parse, you gotta move and parse lol. There was some kind of friendly aoes on ground that we can synergize but whether we did or not didn't make any difference. So basically just another parse boss and when dps was low it just took longer.

Conclusion: very easy dungeon for a dlc. Even vet Banished Cells 2 is more trouble for low dps pugs than this.
No noticeable mechanics at any of the bosses and if there was any then they can be 100% ignored even with low dps. Everything was simple and common sense. If you get growing aoe under you - step out, if you see red lines - bash, if heavy attack- block or dodge.
There are plenty of dungeons where low dps simply prevents from clearing, Cauldron is not one of them.

https://youtu.be/_MHRfmZ7XR4

Do not know, 3 in 1 from 3rd run, (only was there 3 times)

See nothing bad with it.

Seraphayel wrote: »

I‘m not talking about Vet modes. I‘m talking about normal dungeons where players with bad gear and low CP go to farm gear, get the quest done or just want to complete their daily dungeon quest. Even if you follow the mechanics, the fights take on forever and some of them spawn so many adds that it takes a very long time to kill a boss or you eventually wipe because one mistake gets you killed and with a handful of adds coming for you you’re not able to rez your fallen mate.

The Ogrim boss wasn’t too bad, neither was the Lyranth in a cage fight. The Atro, the endboss and the other Dremora were the problematic fights when it comes to pugs. And as I said, there are just too much AoE effects. You have the boss effects, you have environmental effects and on top of it you have adds that love to do AoE. Now multiply this by 10 and you have The Cauldron in a nutshell.

There is no mechanic or enemy on normal that will provide problems to solo player if he/she follow the mechanics (and there are almost none of them there lol).
1st boss is easy
2nd slot crushing shock and avoid big aoe and you can kill it with really bad dps
3rd require you to change ground dot position once in a while and bash main boss so not really a complicated stuff (all of his aoe did almost nothing to you)
4th is just a trash fight, you can do one lightning thing per fire explosion to spawn less adds
5th is just roll dodge one in a while, avoid fire spin and destroy the things that spawn adds (with synergy it is always one-shoted with LA). You can basically block spawn of 90% adds there

There is NO THREAT there if you spend 30 minutes learning the mechanics there. Vet can be done with really bad dps group without problem if only one player know what to do (done hm with 2 player party). Normal is an overland difficulty indeed.