Those new 'Furnishing Folios' are a really bad idea

NeoGriz · March 2021

So I've been grinding Master Writs to get access to the furnishing plans sold by Faustina Curio.
I saved up ~600 Writ Vouchers so I could get some of the furnishing plans costing 100 Writ Vouchers each.

Now with Update 29, all of those furnishing plans have been packed together in different 'Folios', costing 600 - 1100 Writ Vouchers per Folio.
This is just stupid and what makes it even worse, is that I can't see in-game what furnishing plans are contained in a Folio.
Instead of getting the furnishing plans I want, I have to spend loads of Writ Vouchers on Folios that contain furnishing plans I don't even want.

I really hope this gets reverted in some way or form, or have the ability back to just buy them separately.

Ominor · March 2021

Agreed. No telling what's in those folios. I also thought I read somewhere that the individual furnishings would still be available. I can't find those either. Hopefully, a future patch will correct this, Until then - no folio purchases.

Lugaldu · March 2021

Oh yes, I really hate them!
I do not want to invest 600, 700 or even 1100 writ vouchers for a folio of which I only want 1, 2 or 3 furnishing plans (because I already have half of them). And I can not even sell the others when I'm not in a guild.

Alinhbo_Tyaka · March 2021

Yep the folios are dead end for those of us that are casual about doing crafting writs. The older method allowed me to find furnishing I had a use for and work towards buying the plan in a reasonable time frame. The new way increases the time required to get a plan and worse sticks me with a bunch of stuff I will never use. I don't understand the need to change something that wasn't broken. If it was an attempt to shorten the lists, although there are better ways, I don't see why they couldn't have gone to collapsible headings like we have in the provisioning menu.

Araneae6537 · March 2021

I’m grateful to those on PTS who alerted us to this impending change! I bought and completed extra writs to get the furnishing patterns I wanted most before this latest patch.

At the very least there needs to be a way to preview the contents of each pack in-game!

Daishichi · March 2021

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I’m grateful to those on PTS who alerted us to this impending change! I bought and completed extra writs to get the furnishing patterns I wanted most before this latest patch.

At the very least there needs to be a way to preview the contents of each pack in-game!

1000%, I just got a heads up about this yesterday and quickly bought some writs to earn and learn the last few items I actually want. And that was just because, near as I can tell, you'd have to buy a given folio even if you just want one item, which is dumb as hell, and even if you already know all but one item, which is even dumber. Now you gotta save up for more than a target dummy costs if you want an effing turtle trinket?

This thread is the first I'm seeing that you can't even tell what's in the folio! The groupings don't even make any sense: the "Crafter's" highlighted here contains "all 11"...there were more than that, and some are obviously included in the other folios. There are currently more than 10 items described as Elsweyr (I guess some are in Dragonhold folio?), maybe 2 styled as Dark Elf / Dres...what's in "Ebonheart"? Where's Alinor (at least 5 items)?

Or, as said more simply above:

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

I don't understand the need to change something that wasn't broken.

Faded · March 2021

The contents of the folios are listed in the patch notes.

KaGaOri · March 2021

Faded wrote: »

The contents of the folios are listed in the patch notes.

That's all well and good, but the logical thing would be to allow players preview what's part of each folio in-game, not have them go to the internet and google it.

colossalvoids · March 2021

Yeah glad that PTS folks warned us here so I grinded last ones before patch dropped, but it still pretty bad for newer players

Daishichi · March 2021

Faded wrote: »

The contents of the folios are listed in the patch notes.

Thanks, sort of...here's an actually helpful link and list.

Which confirms that there's little rhyme or reason to the groupings. The Clothier's Form is a dwarven item, should be in Morrowind if anywhere...they could have put the Dark Elf Tent in there instead, but no, that's in Ebonheart...universal items in Crafter's except the Alchemical Apparatus, you'll need to learn Dark Elf for that. This is just seriously stupid, what drunken intern came up with this?

Crafter's Furnishing Folio

Diagram: Apparatus, Boiler
Formula: Case of Vials
Diagram: Apparatus, Gem Calipers
Blueprint: Podium, Skinning
Blueprint: Tools, Case
Formula: Bottle, Poison Elixir
Design: Mortar and Pestle
Blueprint: Cabinet, Poisonmaker's
Praxis: Orcish Table with Fur
Pattern: Orcish Tapestry, Spear
Design: Orcish Skull Goblet, Full

Morrowind Furnishing Folio

Formula: Mages Apparatus, Master
Diagram: Dwarven Gyroscope, Masterwork
Pattern: Dres Sewing Kit, Master's
Praxis: Hlaalu Bath Tub, Masterwork
Design: Mammoth Cheese, Mastercrafted
Blueprint: Telvanni Candelabra, Masterwork

Dark Elf Furnishing Folio

Formula: Alchemical Apparatus, Master
Diagram: Hlaalu Gong
Pattern: Clothier's Form, Brass
Praxis: Hlaalu Trinket Box, Curious Turtle
Design: Miniature Garden, Bottled
Blueprint: Hlaalu Gaming Table, "Foxes & Felines"

Summerset Furnishing Folio

Sketch: Alinor Ancestor Clock, Celestial
Sketch: Figurine, The Dragon's Glare
Diagram: Relic Vault, Impenetrable
Pattern: Alinor Bed, Levitating
Blueprint: Alinor Bookshelf, Grand Full
Praxis: Alinor Gaming Table, Punctilious Conflict
Formula: Artist's Palette, Pigment
Design: Alinor Grape Stomping Tub

Ebonheart Furnishing Folio

Sketch: Silver Kettle, Masterworked
Blueprint: Frog-Caller, Untuned
Design: Pottery Wheel, Ever-Turning
Formula: Alchemical Apparatus, Condenser
Praxis: Hlaalu Salt Lamp, Enchanted
Pattern: Dark Elf Tent, Canopy
Diagram: Hlaalu Stove, Chiminea

Elsweyr Furnishing Folio

Diagram: Elsweyr Gate, Masterwork
Pattern: Elsweyr Chaise Lounge, Upholstered
Blueprint: Elsweyr Cart, Masterwork
Praxis: Elsweyr Statue, Shrine Lion
Formula: Elsweyr Incense, Fragrant
Design: Provisioning Station, Elsweyr Grill
Sketch: Elsweyr Cage, Filigree

Lugaldu · March 2021

When we can't get rid of these folios, because otherwise there will be too many offers in the list, then it would at least be good if you had the option to choose certain things. A complete folio with Alinor furnishing plans e.g. costs the full price and accordingly less if you only select 3 plans from it. That should not be too difficult to implement.

Alinhbo_Tyaka · March 2021

Lugaldu wrote: »

When we can't get rid of these folios, because otherwise there will be too many offers in the list, then it would at least be good if you had the option to choose certain things. A complete folio with Alinor furnishing plans e.g. costs the full price and accordingly less if you only select 3 plans from it. That should not be too difficult to implement.

Folios are not the best way to handle too many entries in the list. Pull down headers such as they use for the Provisioning menu would be a much better solution. Another would be to add headers such as we have for our inventory. Both allow for control of the list length and would allow easy navigation to what you are looking for.

Luke_Flamesword · March 2021

Folios are good idea, but with lazy implementation - there should be option to open every folio, not only to preview recipes but also with possibility to buy single recipes.

LadySinflower · March 2021

I also got a heads up but didn't have enough time available to grind or purchase writs from traders. As far as I'm concerned the ones I don't have that are buried in folios are now lost causes. I'll buy what comes out in the future instead of trying to save for folios. All we can do now is complain, and continue to complain. Maybe ZOS won't reverse their decision, but the result is that we will drive it home to them how much we hate it.

code65536 · March 2021

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

Yep the folios are dead end for those of us that are casual about doing crafting writs. The older method allowed me to find furnishing I had a use for and work towards buying the plan in a reasonable time frame. The new way increases the time required to get a plan and worse sticks me with a bunch of stuff I will never use. I don't understand the need to change something that wasn't broken. If it was an attempt to shorten the lists, although there are better ways, I don't see why they couldn't have gone to collapsible headings like we have in the provisioning menu.

I believe that there is a limit to the number of items that a vendor can stock, which is why Rolis needed an assistant in the first place...

Araneae6537 · March 2021

code65536 wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

Yep the folios are dead end for those of us that are casual about doing crafting writs. The older method allowed me to find furnishing I had a use for and work towards buying the plan in a reasonable time frame. The new way increases the time required to get a plan and worse sticks me with a bunch of stuff I will never use. I don't understand the need to change something that wasn't broken. If it was an attempt to shorten the lists, although there are better ways, I don't see why they couldn't have gone to collapsible headings like we have in the provisioning menu.

I believe that there is a limit to the number of items that a vendor can stock, which is why Rolis needed an assistant in the first place...

As I said in another thread, that’s why instead of folios, he needed a second assistant — and a pillow!

That would have been ideal, but if folios are the way going forward, then their contents need to be preview-able in game, not look it up in patch notes, Google, etc.

Daishichi wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

The contents of the folios are listed in the patch notes.

Thanks, sort of...here's an actually helpful link and list.

Which confirms that there's little rhyme or reason to the groupings. The Clothier's Form is a dwarven item, should be in Morrowind if anywhere...they could have put the Dark Elf Tent in there instead, but no, that's in Ebonheart...universal items in Crafter's except the Alchemical Apparatus, you'll need to learn Dark Elf for that. This is just seriously stupid, what drunken intern came up with this?

I’m sure it’s by release, rather than what would be most logical if one was creating the categories now, and that does make sense for going forward, since new folios can only be organized that way going forward.

Imryll · April 2021

Why not have a writ furnishing vendor in the appropriate zone? E.g. a writ vendor who sells only Summerset plans in Alinor. That would reduce the lengthy list problem, and perhaps allow them to sell more non-legendary patterns.

Lugaldu · April 2021

Imryll wrote: »

Why not have a writ furnishing vendor in the appropriate zone? E.g. a writ vendor who sells only Summerset plans in Alinor. That would reduce the lengthy list problem, and perhaps allow them to sell more non-legendary patterns.

On the one hand a good idea, but on the other hand it also means that you have to travel around a lot, but above all that you don't have a real overview. So maybe I'll be in Alinor and I'm not sure whether I really want to spend my writ vouchers on something in particular, if I can't compare whether there is perhaps something else that I would rather have.
But of course you have at the moment also no real comparison, if you can not see what is in these folios. Hopefully this will be changed.

allhailskippy · April 2021

I am extremely grateful I spent the writs to complete my collection before this change happened.

I understand that the list is getting long, but this was an awful decision for those who only want a single pattern.
I hope it gets either reverted, or back to a place where individual patterns can be bought again somehow.

newtinmpls · July 2021

Faded wrote: »

The contents of the folios are listed in the patch notes.

Um...where do I find old patch notes?

Alegna · July 2021

Daishichi wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

The contents of the folios are listed in the patch notes.

Thanks, sort of...here's an actually helpful link and list.

Which confirms that there's little rhyme or reason to the groupings. The Clothier's Form is a dwarven item, should be in Morrowind if anywhere...they could have put the Dark Elf Tent in there instead, but no, that's in Ebonheart...universal items in Crafter's except the Alchemical Apparatus, you'll need to learn Dark Elf for that. This is just seriously stupid, what drunken intern came up with this?

Crafter's Furnishing Folio

Diagram: Apparatus, Boiler
Formula: Case of Vials
Diagram: Apparatus, Gem Calipers
Blueprint: Podium, Skinning
Blueprint: Tools, Case
Formula: Bottle, Poison Elixir
Design: Mortar and Pestle
Blueprint: Cabinet, Poisonmaker's
Praxis: Orcish Table with Fur
Pattern: Orcish Tapestry, Spear
Design: Orcish Skull Goblet, Full

Morrowind Furnishing Folio

Formula: Mages Apparatus, Master
Diagram: Dwarven Gyroscope, Masterwork
Pattern: Dres Sewing Kit, Master's
Praxis: Hlaalu Bath Tub, Masterwork
Design: Mammoth Cheese, Mastercrafted
Blueprint: Telvanni Candelabra, Masterwork

Dark Elf Furnishing Folio

Formula: Alchemical Apparatus, Master
Diagram: Hlaalu Gong
Pattern: Clothier's Form, Brass
Praxis: Hlaalu Trinket Box, Curious Turtle
Design: Miniature Garden, Bottled
Blueprint: Hlaalu Gaming Table, "Foxes & Felines"

Summerset Furnishing Folio

Sketch: Alinor Ancestor Clock, Celestial
Sketch: Figurine, The Dragon's Glare
Diagram: Relic Vault, Impenetrable
Pattern: Alinor Bed, Levitating
Blueprint: Alinor Bookshelf, Grand Full
Praxis: Alinor Gaming Table, Punctilious Conflict
Formula: Artist's Palette, Pigment
Design: Alinor Grape Stomping Tub

Ebonheart Furnishing Folio

Sketch: Silver Kettle, Masterworked
Blueprint: Frog-Caller, Untuned
Design: Pottery Wheel, Ever-Turning
Formula: Alchemical Apparatus, Condenser
Praxis: Hlaalu Salt Lamp, Enchanted
Pattern: Dark Elf Tent, Canopy
Diagram: Hlaalu Stove, Chiminea

Elsweyr Furnishing Folio

Diagram: Elsweyr Gate, Masterwork
Pattern: Elsweyr Chaise Lounge, Upholstered
Blueprint: Elsweyr Cart, Masterwork
Praxis: Elsweyr Statue, Shrine Lion
Formula: Elsweyr Incense, Fragrant
Design: Provisioning Station, Elsweyr Grill
Sketch: Elsweyr Cage, Filigree

THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I have a lot of furnishing recipes and wasn't sure what was going to be in them and can't find which patch notes they were in. And what happened, which is what I expected, is I pretty much have them all. Thanks again you saved me a lot of writ vouchers.

maximusrex45 · July 2021

NeoGriz wrote: »

So I've been grinding Master Writs to get access to the furnishing plans sold by Faustina Curio.
I saved up ~600 Writ Vouchers so I could get some of the furnishing plans costing 100 Writ Vouchers each.

Now with Update 29, all of those furnishing plans have been packed together in different 'Folios', costing 600 - 1100 Writ Vouchers per Folio.
This is just stupid and what makes it even worse, is that I can't see in-game what furnishing plans are contained in a Folio.
Instead of getting the furnishing plans I want, I have to spend loads of Writ Vouchers on Folios that contain furnishing plans I don't even want.

I really hope this gets reverted in some way or form, or have the ability back to just buy them separately.

I couldn't agree more. I want to collect a bunch of the games, but they are spread across many of these Folios, requiring me to pay a lot of writs for stuff I just don't care about that much right now. If they were worried about too many listings on the NPCs, they should have added a third vendor.

alberichtano · July 2021

Lugaldu wrote: »

Imryll wrote: »

Why not have a writ furnishing vendor in the appropriate zone? E.g. a writ vendor who sells only Summerset plans in Alinor. That would reduce the lengthy list problem, and perhaps allow them to sell more non-legendary patterns.

On the one hand a good idea, but on the other hand it also means that you have to travel around a lot, but above all that you don't have a real overview. So maybe I'll be in Alinor and I'm not sure whether I really want to spend my writ vouchers on something in particular, if I can't compare whether there is perhaps something else that I would rather have.
But of course you have at the moment also no real comparison, if you can not see what is in these folios. Hopefully this will be changed.

Well same as for buying local plants and furnitures today, so not that different really. :-)

CoronHR · March 2023

the folios are an awful idea. awful

at the very least they should only contain what you don't have and the writ price should adjust according to what you don't have

ZOS_Icy · March 2023

Greetings,

We have closed this topic as it was originally created in March 2021. In many cases, it's better to create a new thread on a topic that you want to discuss as opposed to bumping one that is rather old.

Thank you for your understanding.