QuebraRegra wrote: »

Nagastani wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

I love the changes, especially the performance impact they've had.

ZOS released an official statement stating that there was no real performance impact...

yes... the real way to improve performance 9wait wasn't that the stated goal of 2020!?!?) would be to move some of the calculations BACK to the client side that were moved to the server side, and to change the communication protocol between the client and servers to UDP (with RTP sequencing) from TCP currently being used.

Big performance improvements there.. which shall never happen, meanwhile we'll see what the final metrics bear out about all of the improvements we should see that motivated a great many of the changes.

waiting.. watching...

I'm probably not qualified to say this remotely, buut I'll say it anyways.

The reason why there's lag in PvP?
Spaghetti code. Doing dozens of calculations that don't actually contribute anything every second. We know there's tons of it in the game. They've literally removed 60 gigabytes of code from their game before because they determined it was all useless and didn't do anything. At the time, I believe that was about 2/3rds of the entire game size. Holy crap. Holyy crap.

I'm fine with the changes.

More importantly, I'm fine with the game experiencing changes. People have complained about every change that has ever happened to the game since 2014 from one perspective or another, but if none of those changes being criticised had been implemented because some of the players didn't like them then we'd still be playing the game as it was in 2014 which most, I think, would accept wasn't as good as it is in 2021.MMOs are meant to be played for years, not weeks or months, and as such they need regular change to keep them fresh. That's not forgetting, of course, that only some of the changes over the years have come just from the developers, most of them have been in response to calls for change from the players.

Kane_Hart wrote: »

Most people I talked to in guilds, in game, etc seem happy. Ever heard of the people who will cry will be the loudest?

Most people who are upset with the game's direction aren't playing any more, either because they've quit entirely or have cut back on their playtime and are less likely to be complaining about it in guild chat or on discord.

Like me, for example. I quit almost a year and a half ago and I like to hop on the forums to see if they've fixed any of the issues that made me quit, realize that they either haven't or they've gotten worse, and then pat myself on the back for quitting earlier rather than giving into the sunken cost fallacy and pretending that I'm still having fun playing.

The in-game, chat active player base aren't any more likely to be an accurate representation of how well the changes are being received than the forums are. It's just a different customer segment. The only people capable of figuring that out are Zenimax, assuming they're actually collecting and paying attention to the telemetry.

jircris11 wrote: »

Because this forums is only a small percentage of the actual player base.

Hell yeah bruther I unironically love the changes I just don’t love my lack of cp

Elsonso wrote: »

Ittrix wrote: »

Spaghetti code. Doing dozens of calculations that don't actually contribute anything every second. We know there's tons of it in the game. They've literally removed 60 gigabytes of code from their game before because they determined it was all useless and didn't do anything. At the time, I believe that was about 2/3rds of the entire game size. Holy crap. Holyy crap.

The game isn't much larger than 60GB... when did they do this? (Edit my game is 77 GB right now)

I believe it was update 25's Patch Overhaul? Can't find the exact numbers, but it definitely stripped a lot of spaghetti.
I'm on steam version, and I believe our file size was larger back then too. 90+ gigs.

WeerW3ir wrote: »

ZeroDPS wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Guys why dont u see that people dont like this changes? Just look at forums? 90% of all threads are about disappointment. Really just take a look. ZOS your main problem is NERFING your own game(doesnt matter what is the reason PvP or PvE). People want to see some progress from patch to patch, from chapter to chapter... but alas... u are constantly nerfing everything. Maybe you stop this? What u think? This game is wonderful but...
Hope Microsoft will change your nerfing policy soon

have you heard about "Sunsetting"? please hold your tongue...

*vomits*

Lysette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

light armor has something what made me wonder, if this is intentional or not. One of my characters never used light armor before - this time I gave her light armor - skill line was immediately added - and she had 12 skill in light armor - why's that?

You probably had a single piece of light armor equipped at some point in the past. Maybe unintentionally.

So the, "locked," armor and weapon lines are different from locked world and guild lines. You can earn XP in a weapon or armor line before it's revealed. Once it is revealed, all the XP you've earned towards it becomes visible immediately.

(I've actually seen a writ monkey unlock a weapon with 12 ranks in the skill line.)

it was on 2 characters like this and both didn't have a light armor skill line before - and as well rank 12. maybe we start out with this now, who knows - it would be nice, because 2 passives are available right away then.

It's possible. I had a character unlock the bow at level 12 awhile back. So that coincidence is pretty weird. That said, I suspect we can probably use something like Harven's extra XP bar addon to hook into hidden skill lines and track their behavior. I've also had armor skills unlock with 4 or 5 ranks already available.

Sangwyne wrote: »

Honestly, the fact that they're willing to optimize so much of their code and make sweeping changes to performance is promising, freeing up that much code is a good thing, not a bad one, it means they're willing to listen to complaints. I don't much like the balance changes made in this patch and will freely admit that I believe them to be a step in the wrong direction, but I'm still capable of spotting improvements when they crop up, and either my crappy internet has miraculously upgraded overnight, or this last patch brought some much-needed changes to streamline the game and enhance performance. Perhaps it was the old CP calculations ZOS mentioned all along that had something to do with it.

On one hand, yes, the fact they're willing to optimize is promising. On the other hand, the fact that there was that much code *to* optimize is very, very worrying.

Nagastani wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

ZOS rarely listen to their playerbase when it comes to changes I mean most people agree they screwed up with the vampire changes yet nothing has been done to fix that.

Well, we did manage to put a curb on some of the more negative stats that came out of Vampirism changes. Namely the penalties were not quite as bad as they were intended to be and that change was a direct result of others as well as myself advocating for it.

However unfortunately the ship has long set sail on Vamp and so we're left with what is for now. This coincides with what I was explaining to another person on here about how once they do something it's usually a done deal.

Dunno, they also struggle to listen it seems way more often. Big example in this patch, actually. ZoS says the new vertical cap is 1200, and it's all horizontal afterwards. Players have been warning them for months that it's closer to 1800, and they didn't do anything about that.
There's also the undaunted celebration event, which got canceled... was it for 3 years in a row, because the group finder would break down every time?
Whack balance changes like Elf Bane, which everyone knew was overtuned when it got buffed but wasn't changed? Glitches associated with it, like the vMA staff which was warned of way ahead of time but wasn't fixed? A community so used to them ignoring that sort of thing that despite it only being on PTS, they farmed and spiked the price of Elf Bane and started using Asylum Staffs instead of assuming ZoS would fix the vMA staff bug?
Longtime bugs like Hel Ra Citadel's soft lock on the bottom boss? That's been a thing for five years, and it ruined a run last week.

They don't get a cookie for listening once.