VilniusNastavnik wrote: »The biggest issue with finding an agreement between "content creators / Influencers" as to what is BIS for every build, class, etc is that each player is playing with uncontrollable variables.
Lets look at a few examples.
Alcast a few years ago was widely known as the go to for builds, yet for beginners, he is not really beginner friendly. His builds also are not very ping/desync forgiving.
Zynode and Hack on the other hand tend to make builds that are beginner friendly, or hold up to unstable rural or oceanic connections.
I know a guy in my guild here in Aus, uses a modified Hack Volcanic rune build and pulls 50kdps just using 1 bar on his sorc, and has a templar build that uses 1 bar and pulls 50k+ for his templar without LA.
As someone who's desync is stupid due to living in a barracks in rural Aus, builds where LAs are required are useless.
When it comes to sets, sets that require LAs to proc the 5 pce, I will avoid because of the desync and ping issues. For me, I end up experimenting with off-meta or "trash" sets, and end up being able to compete better with them, than with the "meta" sets.
If everyone played with 5 ping, and no desync, the community might have a general consensus, however as it stands, we have KBM, vs Controller, (PS vs Xbox 1, 360, Xbox Elite 1 vs Elite 2). Low ping, high ping, low desync, high desync, injuries / disabilities that prevent certain fine motor skills, etc. There is never going to be a one size fits all approach, and thus I use the "influencers" as a source of information as to how the sets work, and then go off and theory craft my own builds that work for me.
I think this phenomenon is called 'balance'.
Honestly, ESO actually has a pretty good balance, imho, and all those contradictory opinions prove that.
Sure, there're some issues, but in general, when there's no one single BiS Meta opinion that everyone could agree with, than the game is actually doing fine balance-wise.
but yet all stam setups are master's 2h for aoe, set bonus 2h otherwise, and either maelstrom or master's bow backbar.
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all mag setups are set bonus destro front bar, maelstrom destro backbar with wall of elements and buff/dot storage.
in almost all setups you do "lay on as many dots as possible" then "light attack weave with a spammable" into "repeat."
for sets you go fgd + something for crit.
if you're in pvp or you are tanking, you run snb backbar or destro backbar regardless of setup.
I don't get it - at the start of the thread, you complain that there's "too much disagreement" on what's best.
Yet now, you quite correctly show that there is widespread consensus on exactly these issues.
So what is it?
GreenhaloX wrote: »Well.. if you are a veteran of the game and have been playing for a quite awhile, you will know what works and doesn't for you. I never follow what others consider to be BiS or Meta. I just use what sets, skills, rotations that work for me. Really, BiS or meta are just subjective as viewpoints. There is not really a best, but rather what is good to use or have; as practically there are so many different variation of sets and builds that work well and just fine.
just look at eso logs, what class is the top parse etc. that will give you the answer of what is “best”.
since this game is marketed as “play how you want” a lot of players end up downplaying the meta here, because they perceive the metagame as being told how to build their character, or as an unoriginal copy and paste.
this makes me sad because imo the meta is just a tool used to clear end game content in a reasonable amount of time, and if you don’t want to do that then you don’t need to pay attention to meta at all. but players still have negativity towards the meta when they feel like they deserve to access end game content without playing a meta build. it really doesn’t make much sense at all, and i hope we get this sorted as a community one day!
Its an Genghis Khan quote, on the other hand Conan has never pretended to be an white hat.QuebraRegra wrote: »well all know what's best.. just ask Conan!
Joy_Division wrote: »
- In PvE, all that really matters to make a class good is what they output on a target dummy. So if wardens don;t do that well, they will stink according to people who PvE, meanwhile the class has been top tier in PvP since the day it launched. Couple this with point 1, and you get wild fluctuations of what's good/bad.
So magblades don't have the self-healing they used to? you're the first to claim they aren't the best in the game for that, even just going by things I have heard today.
How is it that they can be the fastest and best for clearing aoe grinds like skyreach, but are getting eaten on a normal?
But what REALLY is absurd is that the theorycrafters who go in depth into class set bonuses for builds, even they can't agree. I don't mean they disagree in the sense that it is down to preference, I mean the best class for doing content for one "influencer" is the worst for another.
Even bigger irony is all the community seems to agree with what builds are acceptable, as they all seem to use the same skills and set bonuses as each other, but they then disagree on the performance.
Sylvermynx wrote: »
I wish I'd "known" you before I made my first character here. Yep, NB - wanted to be a stealth archer similar to Skyrim (without the very op modded bow). Since my previous MMOs were WoW and RIFT, the combat here came as a huge surprise - and it took me about a year to get it figured out (because I'm older, and my reflexes aren't optimal for twitchy combat; nor is my connection since satellite is all I have available).
So I bought Summerset and made wardens. I did finally get that NB to 50, and I do have a decent grasp of her combat rotation now - but it was painful to begin with, and I still don't really find her fun to play.
templar is both the class most suited to healing, but also the worst healer in the game with nothing unique to add; except for the other classes who are also the worst class in the game for healing depending on who you ask.