Imagine being CP 810, having all min maxed and your characters at maximum Power.

The new CP system will take power away. You will loose damage, healing and damage mitigation. Since you now need about 3000 CPs to be min/maxed.

And 3000 CPs equals the experience gain of about 1350 CP with the CP 1.0 system. Not only most of the veteran player that care for the end game content like vet trials and pvp will be mad, also new players will need waaaayyy more time to be competetive in pvp and will have a much harder time to get into progression guilds since the CP requirements will be super high.

I see some people here complain about the people asking for some kind of compensation. Most of these points are in the direction of 'you guys are being greedy' or 'you don't lose xp'. While the first is not true, the second is. But we lose something else, which is being at endgame level. Sorry I am not English, but will try to explain a bit why the change is bad in the way it is implemented.

Of course new progression isn't bad, but other things are bad.
- That is that endgame players needed 3x more xp for all the levels they have gained, but this xp will not be translated into additional levels now that the soft cap is being increased.
- Also I think that most players wouldn't have a problem with having to level a little bit to become endgame again, but now a lot of us need to gain double the amount of xp they have gained over 7 years to become endgame level again!
- And also don't forget that most endgame players never really used all these xp boosts from events since they were useless anyway.
- The fact that new players can catch up in a matter of weeks makes it even worse. Not that it is bad for people to catch up, but is strange that new players are given a bonus while old players always had to do more. It is only fair of both get a bonus, so new players will still be able to catch up but older players won't be screwed.

Let me add two tables with both a case to explain it a bit better. Case 1 is how it will be implemented now, case 2 is how it should be implemented in my opinion:





Reason of loss in case 1: endgame players had to earn increased amounts of xp for each level. New players who never invested time will not have this time 'lost'. If this amount of xp is compared to how fast new players level there wouldn't be a power loss (many would be cp 3600 in that case). It should be: with the time endgame players invested , there should be no loss in power.

Case 2 will be much fairer, veteran players will not lose while new players will still be able to catch up. Nobody is here to be greedy, people are protesting against the opposite happening right now…

Aliyavana wrote: »

ThorianB wrote: »

No, there is no need to do this. Gifting players free CP when they already are above the current cap just for being above the current cap is unfair to everyone under cap, goes against the spirit of a lot of the changes happening this year, and reeks of entitlement.

There is no reason why high level players should be given anything just for being high level. We can work up to 3600 CP just like everyone else. The advantage is the huge head start many have. Having 1205 CP now is a much bigger headstart than having 205 CP but we should give the person that has 1205 CP 110 more CP just because they spent more time grinding out levels? Those levels were earned under the conditions of the old system. You got nothing for those levels, now you get to do something with them.

Also having 3600 CP isn't going to improve your character so much that it is going to make or break you. The new system is meant more about giving us meaningful choices rather than excessive amounts of power like the old system.

Despite a lot of casuals throwing the word entitled here in the thread, they act entitled themselves. why should they easily catch up to my cp level quicker than the amount of effort i put into playing the game over the years?

I'm very close to 1200 cp, (which is enough) I oppose this because I'm not entitled to more power without doing the work just because I'm experienced. Stop generalizing all those against it as casuals. I'm also 630cp on PC, I don't need any catch-up mechanics.

ThorianB wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

ThorianB wrote: »

Another part some people are missing is that if we leave the power creep high they have to continue to provide harder and harder content for that tiny little group that is over performing. Bring the power level down so its balanced and they can make content that is more balanced rather than just throwing a bunch of damage in there for no reason other than to make it hard for the couple of percent of players that will do it soon after release.

While I agree that the power creep is too bad to a point where the damage output per second enables you to skip a lot of content, in this case survivability will be hit. In my opinion raw incoming damage over time in combination with the healing done over time should not be a measurement for being able to complete content yes or no. Mechanics should be.

Of course healing checks are needed, but it are mechanics for the healer(s) only while the whole group can suffer from it. One-shot mechanics are what makes content interesting, especially if they are hard and you have little time.

The counter to the power creep is higher boss health and unskippable mechanics. Castle Thorn is a perfect example of how it could be done. This change will not only hit the power creep DPS, but all players in the group.

If we can just DPS everything down, we can just remove some or even most of the difficulty. Learning a wipe mechanic after wipe mechanic would get as boring and fighting delve boss after delve boss with 1000X the HP but the same mechanics as a delve boss( i am using a delve boss here as an example of a boring boss with easy harmless mechanics that we just give high HP to so it has to be ground down). Its the variety of challenges that matter. Can your DPS sustain for X time, can you heals burst heal this, can they sustain, can the tank prevent the boss from using this ability, can he sustain high damage, can the group as a whole survive a period of environmental DPS pressure while also keeping pressure on the boss. All these swaps between different mechanics/ challenges is what makes a boss fight interesting. If you can just DPS it down to ignore half them, no reason to put it in there. If they bring the top end down then they can bring this sort of content down to a normal step in difficulty

That is why I gave Castle Thorn as an example. The last boss has about 20 million health, which is a hard counter to high DPS groups burning through every mechanic, while all those other interesting mechanics you listed still exist during the fight. Don't get me wrong, I want interesting fights as well but I don't think that nerfing everyone will be the solution. The solution should be in making high DPS less effective, which can be done by adding unskippable mechanics and higher boss health.