James-Wayne wrote: »

Turn it into a PvE zone (perhaps accessed through a Oblivion gate to another time period if need be), offer quests that help rebuild the city and have a daily's in each area that you can do...

...for example the Arena can be transformed into a mini-arena game that has waves of combatants to see how far you can get, increasingly gets harder and harder but rewards get better and better.

@ZOS_GinaBruno please pass idea onto team, thanks

THe Imperial City is unique to the game. It is (including sewers) the only zone in game where dying has consequences. It was designed with PvE while in PvP in mind. Fishing there for the achievement was more fun than other zones because there was a risk involved. On a tangent I think while fishing there should be a really small chance of catching a mini boss that would then attack you in all zones. Back to the topic at hand though questing in Imperial City can be fun. Sometimes you sneak around from one objective to another hoping not to get caught. Sometimes you run into the enemy but they are there questing also so you each go in peace. With the bosses if players from different factions are careful with their AoE they can work together. And of course there are times when you are just about to turn in a quest, you get jumped and die. I wouldn't want that for every zone but having one zone like that works.

barney2525 wrote: »

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Sell invisible potions at npc vendor

If the potions are invisible ... how would we know the vendor had them?

Tactile properties?

I like to have trove and cunning scamps spawn more frequently and kill 100 players in arena achievement be changed to the entire arena zone....these 3 achievements ridiculous

Silaf wrote: »

I don't want to sound like a crying baby but being attacked in the sewers when my armor is damaged from nowere by a hidden fully pvp repaired player is unfair.
I'm fine to lose my talvar stone but at least give us a fair fight.

Stealth should be forbidden in the sewers and armor should not degrade. Nightblades should be able to enter stealth only in conbat since it is part of their way to fight.

I know it's not ideal for nightblades but i don't know how to remove stealth in the sewers witout penalizing them. Maybe give the player some sort of message "an enemy is nerby" or similar.

You shoulden't be able to resurrect other players in imperial city.

And werewolves are completly broken.

Eedat wrote: »

I dont know tbh. I avoid that area because of the crazy disparity you put yourself at. You have some people who have to at least partially be geared and slotted for PvE then others in full PvP setup looking to gank at a double advantage. They get the element of surprise, the advantage of being full PvP spec, and god forbid you're already fighting something else when they decide to gank. Oh, and they can risk absolutely nothing by ganking you.

The whole area is inherently unfair and blatantly caters to trash players looking for every advantage they can possibly get in a fight for free.

Probably why IC is pretty much dead. Fun concept, but in practice is straight garbage.

Diden't read. This comment is perfect.

Why would you ever enter a PVP zone without a PVP set up? Why would you expect that to work? I have spent many hours in Imperial City and I have never fought anybody with my armor damaged. That just doesn't happen if you take time to preform the basic maintenance nessicary to keep your character ready for content.

I tried out the Imperial City a few times.

I got as far as a few skyshards, and two of the fixed sewer bosses.

Then I gave up because of the whole "lose TelVar every time you die" mechanic. Feeding other players is not fun. I don't have the time, the gear or the gold to completely respec for PVP every time I jump into IC, and then respec for PVE - especially since there are PVE enemies around as well and I need to fight *those* too.

PVP is a bad enough gate at the best of times.

In PVE cooperative, there will always be high levels and low levels, people with good gear and people with bad gear. But what happens there, is that the less-good players are HELPED by the more powerful players: as they go on, they get better gear, they get higher level.

In PVP, what happens is that newer or less powerful players simply get curbstomped. You don't actually *learn* anything from it because there is nothing to learn other than "there are a ton of players a lot more powerful than you, you will lose your stuff and there's nothing you can do about it". The only thing you can do, is not stay in the arena and get better, but QUIT the arena and hope to get higher level and better gear in PVE content, then come back - potentially months later - and hope that your new outfit is enough (it isn't, you will get curbstomped again. Usually by someone you didn't even see.) More usually, not bother coming back to PVP areas at all.

And the Tel Var amounts to actually buy anything constructive, with the possible exception of Hakeijo runes, are just ludicrous. I mean, hundreds of thousands? How is your average ordinary player supposed to even GET that many? How long would it take them, when they're getting looted of half of it every few minutes, so it becomes a case of "try and get a few hundred, maybe a thousand or so, then it's a mad dash to try and bank it before you get ganked, oh, and the Personal Banker that you actually paid Real Money for doesn't work here, Ezabi won't come to PVP areas"... and repeat, what, five hundred times to get ONE single measly motif part of 14? Or ONE single set item out of god knows how many sets?

The whole "incentive to hold more" is no incentive when all it means is that you LOSE more.

Frankly, PVP - outside of specific arenas that DO NOT MIX with PVE - kills games. Every game I have ever seen that tries to mix PVP and PVE, ends up eventually neglecting the PVP, or losing more and more players when they're forced into it. it's quite simple: any given game, or any given part of a given game, requires new players to want to be there, and to want to stay there, and to want to stay there they have to be able to SURVIVE and ACHIEVE - not "later on, get good and come back", but right at the start, when they are new. PVP and "lose your stuff and go back to start" prevents that, it drives away newbies, it kills the area.

Cyrodiil would be better if PVP were only possible within a designated radius of a keep, fortress, occupied town or resource. Imperial City has an actually good quest line which is totally ruined by the existence of PVP: it would be truly excellent content and storyline if it was PVE only (and, indeed, if you only lost Tel Var stones when killed by *monsters* - and if it were possible to outrun the surface boss monsters, or hide from them somehow, or otherwise *escape* from them if they were too powerful, instead of being in a situation where you have no option to do anything but die.) It's simple: mixing PVE and PVP does not work.

Here is how to improve both cyrodiil and the imp city for all of us
Add a pve version of it and cyrodiil

1.Acces pve version via overworld and wayshrine

2.the on the west side of the imperial city would be an entry point into the city (the other not being repaired would be in line with tes4 having only one)

3. Cyrodill sewer antrance would be reintroduced

4.Access pvp version the current way

5.Cyrodiil would be resised and separated in 3 zone (use current faction territory separation as zone divider)

6.Each of the 3 zone would get content we can expect out of a pve zone such as main and side quest, world boss, delve, public dungeon and shyshard

7.Imperial city would still be a separate zone but instead of the city you get the island as a whole. With the waterfront district accesible all without loadscreen separating every district

8. Since imperial city is only a city it will not have the usual pve activity of delve and public dungeon but would keep patroling bosses and skyshard

9.Important to note that in this solution since it would be like new zones skill point would be additive to the current one. It will stop the pvp player of whining because pveer get skill point without them being able to kill them and give pveer a taste of pvp

10. Ap and skyshard would only be earnable in the pvp version but ap and telvar mechant will still be avaiable in pve version since they are in safe zone anyway

11. Trophy vault would still be avaiable in the pve version because all of thei reward are avaiable without pvp and still need pvp to get the currency (correct me if im wrong here) both dungeon vault drops stuff fron the dungeon
All other 6 drop xivkyn+acuity, willpower or endurece gear, wich drop fronm daily random dungeon

I think this solve most of the prbem that would be enconterd by adding a pve version and satify everyone
I think the only persons that loose something in this senario are pvper that like tourmenting pveer trying to do pve stuff wich the can still do when they come for the pvp version skyshard
In all we get a lot of new content while loosing nothing

Also add qol stuff pvper would like to their version of these zone

Edit
A cloud ruler temple trial/dungeon that explan its current state

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

Silaf wrote: »

I don't want to sound like a crying baby but being attacked in the sewers when my armor is damaged from nowere by a hidden fully pvp repaired player is unfair.
I'm fine to lose my talvar stone but at least give us a fair fight.

Stealth should be forbidden in the sewers and armor should not degrade. Nightblades should be able to enter stealth only in conbat since it is part of their way to fight.

I know it's not ideal for nightblades but i don't know how to remove stealth in the sewers witout penalizing them. Maybe give the player some sort of message "an enemy is nerby" or similar.

You shoulden't be able to resurrect other players in imperial city.

And werewolves are completly broken.

Eedat wrote: »

I dont know tbh. I avoid that area because of the crazy disparity you put yourself at. You have some people who have to at least partially be geared and slotted for PvE then others in full PvP setup looking to gank at a double advantage. They get the element of surprise, the advantage of being full PvP spec, and god forbid you're already fighting something else when they decide to gank. Oh, and they can risk absolutely nothing by ganking you.

The whole area is inherently unfair and blatantly caters to trash players looking for every advantage they can possibly get in a fight for free.

Probably why IC is pretty much dead. Fun concept, but in practice is straight garbage.

Diden't read. This comment is perfect.

Why would you ever enter a PVP zone without a PVP set up? Why would you expect that to work? I have spent many hours in Imperial City and I have never fought anybody with my armor damaged. That just doesn't happen if you take time to preform the basic maintenance nessicary to keep your character ready for content.

If you are there doing the PvE content your armor is going to get damaged. Part of the game. When I am farming telvar I stick with my PvE gear because it lets me burn everything down much quicker. I go in knowing I am an easier target but that is a risk I am willing to take. I do keep my PvP gear with me and if I see the enemy sometimes I can hide long enough to switch gear and skills. Playing on pc I use a handy add-on for that.
I don't like when I get attacked from stealth while I am just running around minding my own business but would not want stealth removed from the area. Even when doing PvE down there I usually switch out a couple of skills just in case I get jumped. Not full on PvP ready but sometimes enough to survive the initial attack and even rarely sometimes win.

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

James-Wayne wrote: »

Turn it into a PvE zone (perhaps accessed through a Oblivion gate to another time period if need be), offer quests that help rebuild the city and have a daily's in each area that you can do...

...for example the Arena can be transformed into a mini-arena game that has waves of combatants to see how far you can get, increasingly gets harder and harder but rewards get better and better.

@ZOS_GinaBruno please pass idea onto team, thanks

Why is everybody so obsessed with turning what little PvP we have left into PvE zones? Surely you guys have enough zones. You get four new ones a year. We haven't gotten a new one since Imperial City.

I actually love to PvP as well but I believe its best to keep it separate. The way PvP should be is that there is PvP in every zone (even the current PvE ones) still tied to faction thou but in every zone there is PvP specific things to do, if your not flagged as PvP you cant do them and vice versa for PvE.

I don't believe in the game design where specific zones are only geared towards one type of player, all zones should be open to all types of players PvE and PvP with content for those players.

1) I would make it so you have some way to seal some of your telvar while running around the sewers instead of only banking. You'd lose some telvar, but these telvar pouches would be unable to taken from your corpse. Say you'd lose a quarter of your telvar putting it the bag. This would make it so that people explore and fight more instead of sneaking their telvar to base constantly and avoiding confrontation anytime they got a decent amount for long periods of time. And encourages more fighting at the bosses, because you'd be able to jump people before they sealed them.

2) I would make a pve server with no telvar, (non-quest) achievements, or gear drops. You get nothing from doing it but roleplaying and the quests.

3) I'd make capturing the bases grant bigger bonuses for the side that controls the district while in the district. And a large bonus for a faction holding all of the bases.

4) put more cosmetics and nice things in the telvar store, maybe some new gear sets designed to give you additonal combat bonuses related to IC. Like fighting in a district you own increasing your stealth detection bonus so it's hard to gank you. Or killing a district boss gives you access to a x5 telvar multiplier for 30 seconds. Things like that.

5) I would put a dueling zone in the arena district. Players could queue to be matched with an opponent, placing them in the spectator zone. Once the fight starts they are porter to the combat zone and can't be targeted by anyone else but their opponent. Winner gets some kind of cool prize. And there are weekly leaderboards for winning more of these duels. Players can spectate these duels, while spectating they cannot target or target anyone. Free to leave at anytime, if queued for your own match it will drop.

Weekly leaderboard members also get a big reward of the worthy and some bonus loot at the end of week, including rarely an arena style page. The higher you place, the better your odds. First place is guaranteed a style page.

There'd also be an achievement associated with winning duels. Win 150 duels or some such high number AND get on the leaderboard 10 times, and you'll get the "glorious regalia of the arena champion". A VERY nice costume.

6) I would add a new daily that gives you a nice chunk of telvar for killing your own districts flag bosses in the lower sewers.

7) I would make Molag Bal give drops to eveone that participated in a fight of the same alliance. And give him better drops.

Jeremy wrote: »

priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I find it a bit annoying to LEAVE Imperial City (can’t teleport out and no wayshrines). You have to find correct sewer entrance closest to your base in upper district, port down, run through the sewers to your alliance base and use exit door... takes time. We can port in instantly from anywhere (?) let us exit as rapidly... I feel claustrophobic, kinda trapped once I’m in there.

Just teleport to Cyrodil. That's what I do. Otherwise, yeah, the place is a pain in the ___ to get out of.

FYI, the trophy vaults (and crafting areas too I believe) are safe areas that you can sit comfortably in while waiting for a BG queue or a spot open in Cyrodiil.

Not saying I use it to escape losing tel-var... (though I hardly feel bad for the gankers abusing snipe desyncs that might miss out on 200 stones from me)... usually it's because IC is dead (except for said gankers) and I don't want to waste my time running back to base when it could be spent in a game mode I'll enjoy for the evening.